Board 8 > Valentine's Day Mafia Day 1: Looking for Love in All the Wrong Places

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Hello everyone and welcome to Valentine's Day Mafia, everyone's favorite dating show for players and spectators (PM me) alike. I hope you're all ready for an exciting game filled with intrigue, betrayal, fun, and best of all, love! Will any of our contestants find their soulmate in this game? We'll see soon enough!

Rules

1. Each day will begin between 7pm and 8pm EST and end at 7pm Eastern.
2. This game consists of two teams, TOWN and SCUM. There is no flavor split (and anywhere from zero to perfect correlation between flavor and roles) - each persons flavor is simply a different person or character associated with dating in some way that I wanted to write about. As such, there are no roles that scan flavor in any way; it is purely for your (and my) enjoyment. Additionally, you know with certainty that the setup is 3 scum players and 12 town players.
3. Scum players may use role actions and deliver the factional kill simultaneously, if they so choose.
4. You know with certainty that exactly one player will die each night, to ensure that every day phase will begin with an odd number of players. To be clear: there are no methods by which night kills can be prevented altogether; there are also no extra kills for either faction.
5. Rather than traditional mafia voting, each person must find a partner with whom they will spend the following night, as neighbors, in a private discord channel. Every night will take place in the same discord server (scum discord will still be separate), using different channels. You know with certainty that all conversations in Discord are 100% private from other (alive) players - no sort of role exists which allows players to view, search, or otherwise interact in any way with private conversations between other players. At the end of the night phase, you will lose the ability to type in the prior nights channel, but will retain access to read and view the conversation. (Your pairings will be categorized into rooms, which will be numbered for my convenience; these numbers will correspond to the different channels and roles in Discord)
6. Players in the dead town chat or spectators (PM me) will be allowed to view, but not post in, any private room channels. Feel free to put on a show for your adoring fans!
7. At the end of the day phase, ALL unpaired players will be eliminated from the game.
8. In order to spend the night with someone, you will use the command ##Date: PlayerName. You are free to issue multiple date commands if you are truly so desperate; however, only the first response command will become your partner. Polyamory is not allowed. You may cancel any outstanding ##Date command manually by using the ##Breakup command; outstanding ##Date commands will also be automatically removed when you successfully pair up with another player. Both players must type the command with each others name to be paired up.
9. Promiscuity is mandatory. All players are banned from spending two consecutive nights with the same player, until the point at which 3 players remain in the game. You may spend as many nights with the same player as you like, so long as they are non-consecutive.
10. To break up with your date before the night phase, use the command ##Breakup, at which point you are free to date anyone else.
11. At any time before 1pm Eastern on the day of the deadline, you may use the command ##Breakup to break up with your date without their consent. After 1pm on the day of the deadline (the last six hours of each day phase), BOTH players must post the ##Breakup command to split up. This rule will prevent anyone from having their heart broken just minutes before the deadline, with no time to find another date. (and should help folks in other timezones who might have to miss the traditional deadline times).
12. If all (or rather, all but one) players are paired at the 12, 24, or 36 hour mark, I will do my best to end the day early and start the night phase in Discord. This is subject to my personal availability, which is not guaranteed at the 12 or 36 hour marks in particular. To clarify this point, I'm not going to end the day immediately when all players (except one) are paired, but only at these pre-determined marks. (this might change for the last day though so it doesn't drag out forever, tbd).
13. Lastly, play nice, and most importantly, have fun!

You may begin!

Player List:

1. Enchantress (Lea)
2. Mzero
3. Lopen
4. Chaeix (JC)
5. Isquen
6. FD
7. Ulti
8. Dumey
9. Peaf
10. Corrik
11. Red
12. Sultan
13. Kirby
14. Sir Chris
15. Death

The day will end on Tuesday, February 27th at 7pm Eastern (just under 48 hours from now).

Does someone want to be my valentime https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/19e1e7ff.png

I'm looking forward to a day one for once, because I have no idea what's the optimal game theory for this variant. It's very exciting.

So I have been thinking about this. I think we should avoid pairing up early and just kind of get a feel for everyone and who we might want left out in the cold.

If we have a wolf in a tough spot and someone goes against the grain, it could be a wolf partner saving them.

In this setup it's going to be tough to get wolves out the first two days because wolves can save each other. However, the game has a minimum of five days so they probably won't want to be too blatant about this. Something to keep in mind.

Hasty plays muddle the waters and favor wolves much more than town, so we should keep that in mind.

Yes, it's important for potential partners to have stamina and not be two vote chumps who finish the day in under 3 minutes.

Enchantress posted...

Yes, it's important for potential partners to have stamina and not be two vote chumps who finish the day in under 3 minutes.

BAHAHAHA

Yeah im cool playing the Long game so they say

But I wanted to date Peaf immediately. :(

also rip to the town bodyguard. I appreciate you protecting me tonight.

SirChris posted...

So I have been thinking about this. I think we should avoid pairing up early and just kind of get a feel for everyone and who we might want left out in the cold.

If we have a wolf in a tough spot and someone goes against the grain, it could be a wolf partner saving them.

In this setup it's going to be tough to get wolves out the first two days because wolves can save each other. However, the game has a minimum of five days so they probably won't want to be too blatant about this. Something to keep in mind.

Hasty plays muddle the waters and favor wolves much more than town, so we should keep that in mind.

Good post. #%Date: Sir Chris

Please accept my love and affection.

Nah, in all seriousness, I kinda agree. There's currently an odd number of scum, so one of them is gonna be looking for love to try and survive. On the other hand, we can still Date and Breakup freely and fluidly at this stage of the game. Once the 42-hour mark hits, though, Breakup becomes much harder to do. So we should be cognizant of that, as well.

SirChris posted...

also rip to the town bodyguard. I appreciate you protecting me tonight.

How do you know their is a Bodyguard? Just a hunch?

hot single and ready to mingle

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

How do you know their is a Bodyguard? Just a hunch?

no protection that blocks a kill, but would be surprising if we had no protection. So im guessing bodyguard

SirChris posted...

no protection that blocks a kill, but would be surprising if we had no protection. So im guessing bodyguard

That does make sense.

I had some early thoughts about the setup upon reading the rules in the discord. One, the idea of confirming only one night kill per night to ensure there is always an odd number alive during the day seems easy to play around if we simply leave two people undated at end of day. Then we're on an even number. I don't really think it matters because we'd likely want to use our "lynch" power to exclude someone every day anyways, but it just seemed like a weird rule inclusion when it would be so easy to break anyway if we actually wanted to.

Inactive players are naturally more at risk of not finding a partner unless they partner up with each other in the times they are available. Unless we specifically try to rescue them.

It seems like there could be a chaotic scenario where two people try to date the same person, and who ends up dying is up to that one single person to decide who they date back. It's probably always preferable to avoid this and just have town decide as a whole who should end up unpaired. But I was trying to think if there was ever an advantage to setting up a trepid love triangle like this on purpose.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Does someone want to be my valentime https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/19e1e7ff.png

why dont you show me why they call you the Sultan of Slam ;)

Bodyguard would be a pretty fitting role for a Mafia game about love.

Hey, MZero, how well does this game's deadline work out for you? There's protections in place to help out folks who can't make it to deadline, but if you never get paired with someone to begin with, that could be problematic as you'd by default be the sole person left alone. Unless you're scum, then that'd be good for us.

EDumey posted...

I had some early thoughts about the setup upon reading the rules in the discord. One, the idea of confirming only one night kill per night to ensure there is always an odd number alive during the day seems easy to play around if we simply leave two people undated at end of day. Then we're on an even number. I don't really think it matters because we'd likely want to use our "lynch" power to exclude someone every day anyways, but it just seemed like a weird rule inclusion when it would be so easy to break anyway if we actually wanted to.

how you leave exactly two people unmatched if there's an odd number?

EDumey posted...

One, the idea of confirming only one night kill per night to ensure there is always an odd number alive during the day seems easy to play around if we simply leave two people undated at end of day.

Pray tell how do you intend to do leave two people unpaired when the rules basically state that every day will always have an odd number of players... and thus there can only ever be an odd number of players without a partner.

Though I do wonder what happens if more than one player ends up single at the end of the day.

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Date: Lopen

You're under 25 years old, right?

Ain't no way Lopen is younger than me. Sus

MZero posted...

why dont you show me why they call you the Sultan of Slam ;)

Oh my Mzero wanted me to sign up now he wants me to take him to Slam town

MZero posted...

hot single and ready to mingle

mzero let's make out

Kirby321 posted...

Good post. #%Date: Sir Chris

Please accept my love and affection.

Nah, in all seriousness, I kinda agree. There's currently an odd number of scum, so one of them is gonna be looking for love to try and survive. On the other hand, we can still Date and Breakup freely and fluidly at this stage of the game. Once the 42-hour mark hits, though, Breakup becomes much harder to do. So we should be cognizant of that, as well.

Yes and no. We can't just date and break up freely because as SOON as every person (sans one) has a partner the day will end and it will effectively only be decides by whoever makes the last pairing. It's like an early hammer that doesn't even require half of the players to agree, but will simply happen as soon as everyone just does their own thing.

I think Chris is right and we should be more intentional about deciding who should NOT be dated. If we select correctly then it would take an overt act for one scum to save another.

Kirby321 posted...

Bodyguard would be a pretty fitting role for a Mafia game about love.

Hey, MZero, how well does this game's deadline work out for you? There's protections in place to help out folks who can't make it to deadline, but if you never get paired with someone to begin with, that could be problematic as you'd by default be the sole person left alone. Unless you're scum, then that'd be good for us.

best case scenario I wake up like an hour before deadline, so not the best but it's doable

you can never have an even amount of people unpaired.

MZero posted...

how you leave exactly two people unmatched if there's an odd number?

Kirby321 posted...

Pray tell how do you intend to do leave two people unpaired when the rules basically state that every day will always have an odd number of players... and thus there can only ever be an odd number of players without a partner.

Though I do wonder what happens if more than one player ends up single at the end of the day.

Two love triangles.

Hypothetical scenario, both Kirby and MZero try to date me, it's up to me to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.
Then Sultan and Ulti both try to date Chris, and it's up to Chris to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.

It would be possible for both of the people unpaired to save themselves by dating each other at the last moment, but with deadlines and everything, not always easy to pull off.

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Date: Lopen

You're under 25 years old, right?

Tbh Ulti I was going to suggest we ##Date each other tonight. Might be a good chance to repair our relationship.

UltimaterializerX posted...

It's possible for a day phase to be manipulated, but it would require someone intentionally not dating and is likely more trouble than it's worth.

It doesn't work mathematically

Now is the time to use math!

EDumey posted...

Two love triangles.

Hypothetical scenario, both Kirby and MZero try to date me, it's up to me to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.
Then Sultan and Ulti both try to date Chris, and it's up to Chris to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.

It would be possible for both of the people unpaired to save themselves by dating each other at the last moment, but with deadlines and everything, not always easy to pull off.

You just described a situation that covers 6 people (an even amount) But if we look at even today they would be 9 others and there would be 4 pairs and an odd man out from the other 9.

That scenario you just described works result in THREE deaths instead of 1, and still make the following day odd.

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EDumey posted...

I had some early thoughts about the setup upon reading the rules in the discord.

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Is this the part where we lynch all liars?

EDumey posted...

Hypothetical scenario, both Kirby and MZero try to date me, it's up to me to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.
Then Sultan and Ulti both try to date Chris, and it's up to Chris to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.

This would leave

1. Enchantress (Lea)
2. Lopen
3. Chaeix (JC)
4. Isquen
5. FD
6. Peaf
7. Corrik
8. Red
9. Death

so there would be a third unpaired, as there are nine names here

Chaeix posted...

mzero let's make out

*checks account creation date*

January 2006

giggity giggity

MZero posted...

It doesn't work mathematically

Now is the time to use math!

Hypothetical #2. Dumey plans to date Death. Ulti plans to date MZero. Both Death and MZero aren't around at end of day, so Dumey and Ulti date out of self-preservation, and Death and MZero are both left dateless because we planned it too late in the day.

Two people left with no date and die.

Both of the hypotheticals involve some human error, which is probably why Chang didn't factor it in. But humans gonna human, you know?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

EDumey posted...
I had some early thoughts about the setup upon reading the rules in the discord.

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Is this the part where we lynch all liars?

Did you not read the post in the discord that had the rules in them? Yesterday at 6 PM? The discord that I can currently look at and see that you were invited to as well?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

You just described a situation that covers 6 people (an even amount) But if we look at even today they would be 9 others and there would be 4 pairs and an odd man out from the other 9.

That scenario you just described works result in THREE deaths instead of 1, and still make the following day odd.

MZero posted...

so there would be a third unpaired, as there are nine names here

Okay my bad, just a SINGLE love triangle and a normal person left undated, and they fail to pair up by the end.

It would be human error, but it's still not the craziest thing to imagine that some deadline fuckery happens!

MZero posted...

*checks account creation date*

January 2006

giggity giggity

Mzero is a whore I see..

And claiming Quagmire I don't like this at all I got pushed along like Old news. Okay I guess shake off the rejection from Mzero and look for love somewhere else.

EDumey posted...

Hypothetical #2. Dumey plans to date Death. Ulti plans to date MZero. Both Death and MZero aren't around at end of day, so Dumey and Ulti date out of self-preservation, and Death and MZero are both left dateless because we planned it too late in the day.

Two people left with no date and die.

Both of the hypotheticals involve some human error, which is probably why Chang didn't factor it in. But humans gonna human, you know?

Did you not read the post in the discord that had the rules in them? Yesterday at 6 PM? The discord that I can currently look at and see that you were invited to as well?

Okay my bad, just a SINGLE love triangle and a normal person left undated, and they fail to pair up by the end.

It would be human error, but it's still not the craziest thing to imagine that some deadline fuckery happens!

Do you need help with the math?

You can't have a single triangle and ONE unpaired person from the other 12.

EDumey posted...

Two love triangles.

Hypothetical scenario, both Kirby and MZero try to date me, it's up to me to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.
Then Sultan and Ulti both try to date Chris, and it's up to Chris to choose one of them, and leave the other dead.

It would be possible for both of the people unpaired to save themselves by dating each other at the last moment, but with deadlines and everything, not always easy to pull off.

Hmm... fair point, but I don't see any merit to that since, in the worst case (depending on Chang's ruling of what happens if more than one person is single by the end of the day), that could potentially result in six players all dying.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Yes and no. We can't just date and break up freely because as SOON as every person (sans one) has a partner the day will end and it will effectively only be decides by whoever makes the last pairing. It's like an early hammer that doesn't even require half of the players to agree, but will simply happen as soon as everyone just does their own thing.

I think Chris is right and we should be more intentional about deciding who should NOT be dated. If we select correctly then it would take an overt act for one scum to save another.

That's half-true. The day will only get ended early at the 12-, 24-, and 36-hour marks if everyone is paired off. Nonetheless, point taken.

My only real concern about stifling the dating scene is that votes are typically how we get stuff to happen around here. And ngl, I'm already a little wary of Chris taking charge so early on and proposing this idea. It's not alignment-indicative, but in the worst-case scenario where he's scum, then he's in a good position to control the game, especially when this format leaves us all clueless on how to approach the first day.

I'm not trying to spread Chris fear already, but I just want to make sure we're all actually on the same page here and discuss this tactic at length before we commit to it. Not that much really comes out of Day 1, but still.

Maybe. I guess I get it. I'm thinking of a situation where 2 people would be left without dating, but that would automatically exclude a third person, which is the extra step I wasn't thinking of.

EDumey posted...

Hypothetical #2. Dumey plans to date Death. Ulti plans to date MZero. Both Death and MZero aren't around at end of day, so Dumey and Ulti date out of self-preservation, and Death and MZero are both left dateless because we planned it too late in the day.

Two people left with no date and die.

Both of the hypotheticals involve some human error, which is probably why Chang didn't factor it in. But humans gonna human, you know?

again this is four people (Dumey, Death, Ulti, MZero) leaving 11 others to pair with each other, meaning one is left over to die with death and I.

Just think about it, if you have 15 people you can't pair everyone up and leave two unpaired. That would be the same as having everyone paired up, which would make it an even number, which 15 is not

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Mzero is a whore I see..

And claiming Quagmire I don't like this at all I got pushed along like Old news. Okay I guess shake off the rejection from Mzero and look for love somewhere else.

whoa whoa there's enough Miz to go around! Gotta plant my seeds for Night 2 ya know? You'll always be my #1 baby

What if we just had 15 people unpaired by the end of the day

##Date: Lea
##Date: Mzero
##Date: Lopen
##Date: JC
##Date: Isquen
##Date: FD
##Date: Ulti
##Date: Dumey
##Date: Peaf
##Date: Corrik
##Date: Sultan
##Date: Kirby
##Date: Chris
##Date: Death

Have at it.

Kirby321 posted...

My only real concern about stifling the dating scene is that votes are typically how we get stuff to happen around here

I'm not TOO worried about this, because I think it's the point of the scenario. People without partners are incentivized to speak up and try to get partnered up, because they can't just idle out if someone else is more suspicious than them.

I do agree that means on future days, it is better to not leave it to the last minute, to force people's hands earlier.

Yeah yeah MZero, I got it. I stopped my math a step short.