Current Events > Nate Silver urges Biden: Reassure voters or 'stand down'

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Tanthalas posted...

Why? You really think that a progressive would come out of that convention with a nomination? They would obviously go for a more consensual candidate. Kamala Harris would have a higher chance of getting the nomination than a progressive.

The fact that you think calling for a ceasefire makes you a progressive rather than a bang average dem is pretty bad

Kamala has a lot of baggage that dragged her down in the primary early and would doom her in the eyes of the left. She would not be popular and that's before you even get into other factors that would motivate people to vote against her.

The convention choosing an alternative is a pointless endeavor since they're the idiots who rallied behind Biden to begin with (party leaders endorsed Biden en masse in the 2020 primary even before he became the frontrunner).

They're gonna continue making bad calls and then demanding voters bail them out in the general.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Id actually be in favor of Harris being the nominee

Lmao Harris would get absolutely destroyed by Trump

Harris wouldn't even hit 50 million votes.

Many people do this whole "Biden is too old and should step down [for an unknown candidate who happens to align perfectly with me politically and would beat Trump]"

emblem-man posted...

Many people do this whole "Biden is too old and should step down [for an unknown candidate who happens to align perfectly with me politically and would beat Trump]"

The reality is that we needed an actual primary without Biden wasting space on the ballot. Now America's made its bed.

SecretBase posted...

The reality is that we needed an actual primary without Biden wasting space on the ballot. Now America's made its bed.

okay so who shouldve been the 2020 nominee? Saying the guy who won the fucking election was wasting space is crazy lmao

The fundamental difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that Republicans are about a singular personality, not even a political leader mind you, and that personality is themselves. They are self centered, selfish babies, who believe in "fuck you, got mine".

Democrats are concerned about everyone. We want to help everyone be better. And quite honestly attempting to throw Biden out because maybe he could be a step slower than he was 20 years ago betrays everything that Democrats stand for. If Biden stumbles then we, as Democrats, will help him stand. It's not about any one person it's about the movement towards justice and equality. Anyone not on board with that is not a Democrat.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

okay so who shouldve been the 2020 nominee?

It's impossible to say. The effectiveness of candidates is shown over the course of the primary campaign season. But since Biden was on the ballot, virtually nobody ran.

I think there are plenty of Democrats who could've run and been taken seriously. Whitmer, Pritzker, Warnock, Brown, etc. But there's no way to know how they play out nationally when obviously they haven't campaigned in that capacity.

But Biden has multiple issues as a candidate that have been blatant for years, yet were constantly overlooked for various circumstantial reasons.

Edit: Misread the quoted post as asking about the 2024 nominee. I responded to the actual question about 2020 later down below. >_>

aarrgus posted...

The fundamental difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that Republicans are about a singular personality, not even a political leader mind you, and that personality is themselves. They are self centered, selfish babies, who believe in "fuck you, got mine".

Democrats are concerned about everyone. We want to help everyone be better. And quite honestly attempting to throw Biden out because maybe he could be a step slower than he was 20 years ago betrays everything that Democrats stand for. If Biden stumbles then we, as Democrats, will help him stand. It's not about any one person it's about the movement towards justice and equality. Anyone not on board with that is not a Democrat.

i think the word you're looking for is Left(ist)

Democrats, old establishment ones at least, are definitely not above "fuck you got mine"

MaxEffingBemis posted...

The fact that you think calling for a ceasefire makes you a progressive rather than a bang average dem is pretty bad

Who even said that?

SecretBase posted...

But Biden has multiple issues as a candidate that have been blatant for years,

OMG a candidate with issues? How unique! After 200 plus years of completely issue free candidates we finally found one with issues?

wackyteen posted...

i think the word you're looking for is Left(ist)

Democrats, old establishment ones at least, are definitely not above "fuck you got mine"

....and immediately a dumbass comment from the "Blame Democrats First" crowd.

SecretBase posted...

The convention choosing an alternative is a pointless endeavor since they're the idiots who rallied behind Biden to begin with (party leaders endorsed Biden en masse in the 2020 primary even before he became the frontrunner).

They're gonna continue making bad calls and then demanding voters bail them out in the general.

You do know that Biden won the 2020 election right?

SecretBase posted...

It's impossible to say. The effectiveness of candidates is shown over the course of the primary campaign season. But since Biden was on the ballot, virtually nobody ran.

I think there are plenty of Democrats who could've run and been taken seriously. Whitmer, Pritzker, Warnock, Brown, etc. But there's no way to know how they play out nationally when obviously they haven't campaigned in that capacity.

But Biden has multiple issues as a candidate that have been blatant for years, yet were constantly overlooked for various circumstantial reasons.

I'm usually politics aware. Why do people keep bringing up Whitmer? And isn't Warnock a first term senator? Why have their names been coming up so much? I understand Whitmer as she's a governor from a Midwest state, but Warnock?

Irony posted...

Dean Phillips

Who?

shockthemonkey posted...

He asked you about 2020

Oh, I misread.

That's such a bizarre question it didn't register to me. Obviously one of the many Democrats not named Joe Biden who still polled well against Trump should've been chosen. None of them quite had the combination of Biden's advanced age, constant gaffes, and terrible centrist policy record.

aarrgus posted...

....and immediately a dumbass comment from the "Blame Democrats First" crowd.

I merely disagree with your assertion that Democrats are above "fuck you got mine".

SecretBase posted...

Oh, I misread.

That's such a bizarre question it didn't register to me. Obviously one of the many Democrats not named Joe Biden who still polled well against Trump should've been chosen. None of them quite had the combination of Biden's advanced age, constant gaffes, and terrible centrist policy record.

Again, you do know that Biden won the election in 2020 right?

SecretBase posted...

Oh, I misread.

That's such a bizarre question it didn't register to me. Obviously one of the many Democrats not named Joe Biden who still polled well against Trump should've been chosen. None of them quite had the combination of Biden's advanced age, constant gaffes, and terrible centrist policy record.

How was asking about 2020 a bizarre question? Thats the only time Biden being in a primary could possibly be called a waste of space, even tho he won the election. Theres no fucking way youre calling Biden in 2024 a waste of space. Hes the fucking incumbent that makes even less sense

SecretBase posted...

The reality is that we needed an actual primary without Biden wasting space on the ballot. Now America's made its bed.

And what if the primary picked someone even more moderate than Biden?

emblem-man posted...

I'm usually politics aware. Why do people keep bringing up Whitmer? And isn't Warnock a first term senator? Why have their names been coming up so much? I understand Whitmer as she's a governor from a Midwest state, but Warnock?

Warnock won a seat in a state that, based on history, he probably wouldn't have under normal conditions. As such his ability to pull that win is highlighted as a (big) plus. He also has wider left appeal than Biden.

Also remember, Obama was a first term senator. So it isn't unheard of for first termers to step up.

Tanthalas posted...

You do know that Biden won the 2020 election right?

I didn't say it doesn't work sometimes. I'm saying it's a gamble.

emblem-man posted...

And what if the primary picked someone even more moderate than Biden?

Biden's flaws extend beyond being a moderate Democrat.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

How was asking about 2020 a bizarre question? Thats the only time Biden being in a primary could possibly be called a waste of space, even tho he won the election. Theres no fucking way youre calling Biden in 2024 a waste of space. Hes the fucking incumbent that makes even less sense

Uh yeah, I was talking about 2024.

Biden being on the ballot in 2020 didn't hurt anything since a bunch of other Dems still ran, and he beat Trump that year.

Biden being on the 2024 ballot was bad because it completely discouraged a bunch of other Dems from running, yet he himself stands an iffy chance against Trump.

SecretBase posted...

Uh yeah, I was talking about 2024.

Biden being on the ballot in 2020 didn't hurt anything since a bunch of other Dems still ran, and he beat Trump that year.

Biden being on the 2024 ballot was bad because it completely discouraged a bunch of other Dems from running, yet he himself stands an iffy chance against Trump.

Biden stands the highest chance of beating Trump. Hes the fucking incumbent. It is ridiculous to say that an incumbent is wasting space on a primary ballet lmao

wackyteen posted...

Warnock won a seat in a state that, based on history, he probably wouldn't have under normal conditions. As such his ability to pull that win is highlighted as a (big) plus. He also has wider left appeal than Biden.

Also remember, Obama was a first term senator. So it isn't unheard of for first termers to step up.

I guess...

emblem-man posted...

I guess...

I'm not saying I think Warnock would win the Presidency, or that he even wants it, but I can understand how some would look at his political career and see potential at least

vycebrand2 posted...

Who?

Exactly

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Biden stands the highest chance of beating Trump. Hes the fucking incumbent. It is ridiculous to say that an incumbent is wasting space on a primary ballet lmao

Obviously the people saying Biden shouldn't have run again don't agree with the calculation that he had a better chance of beating Trump than a new nominee would've. If everyone agreed with said premise then there wouldn't be a topic. >_>

SecretBase posted...

Obviously the people saying Biden shouldn't have run again don't agree with the calculation that he had a better chance of beating Trump than a new nominee would've. If everyone agreed with said premise then there wouldn't be a topic. >_>

Yes Nate Silver, bastion of political expertise, proves that Biden running again is a waste of space. Youre so right

BlackOmnimon posted...

Trump is going to stomp, isn't he?

Stomp his feet and throw another tantrum when he loses again anyway.

emblem-man posted...

I guess...

Also Re: Whitmer - The Democratic Party of Michigan has absolutely crushed the opposition under Whitmers lead and shes done some great things legislatively. She is my ultimate pick for the next few years.

Ronaldo posted...

The defense squad when Biden receives even a little pushback is wild.

This.

Im never voting for Trump but the Biden cult is weird. The guy is 81, wont take a cognitive test, and is in control of our nuclear arsenal. There are red flags there and pointing them out or expecting better gets you labeled a right winger.

whitelytning posted...

This.

Im never voting for Trump but the Biden cult is weird. The guy is 81, wont take a cognitive test, and is in control of our nuclear arsenal. There are red flags there and pointing them out or expecting better gets you labeled a right winger.

Yeah Biden has faults, but hes better than Trump. Thats the beginning and end of it for a lot of people who vote Biden.

whitelytning posted...

This.

Im never voting for Trump but the Biden cult is weird. The guy is 81, wont take a cognitive test, and is in control of our nuclear arsenal. There are red flags there and pointing them out or expecting better gets you labeled a right winger.

What's a cognitive test exactly in your opinion?

whitelytning posted...

the Biden cult

Doesn't exist.

whitelytning posted...

and is in control of our nuclear arsenal

Yep, for almost 4 years now. I haven't noticed any nukes flying in that time.

I think Biden could really curb all this justifiably concerning age discourse by doing something that attracts people to vote for him other than not being Trump.

Or he could stream Brain Age on Twitch idk.

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

Yep, for almost 4 years now. I haven't noticed any nukes flying in that time.

Even if Biden were completely senile (he isn't) and even if he ordered something stupid to be done with nuclear weapons (he hasn't even suggested anything like that), there are adults in his White House that would step in to stop that.

A second Trump administration would have no such adults in the White House, since the only way anyone would get a position in his administration is by demonstrating full and complete cultish devotion to their God Emperor. Project 2025 amounts to extending that staffing policy as far as humanly possible in the military and executive branch.

EPR-radar posted...

Even if Biden were completely senile (he isn't) and even if he ordered something stupid to be done with nuclear weapons (he hasn't even suggested anything like that), there are adults in his White House that would step in to stop that.

Anyone with two braincells to rub together realizes this, (which makes that whole talking point ridiculous from the jump). I at people who go there.

I'm worried about when the attack ads highlighting Biden's embarrassing public speaking mishaps really start in earnest. They have a lot of ammo to spam the country with on that front alone.

Vyrulisse posted...

I'm worried about when the attack ads highlighting Biden's embarrassing public speaking mishaps really start in earnest. They have a lot of ammo to spam the country with on that front alone.

They're not going to have any money to run attack ads with because Trump is going to be busy paying his legal fees with all their money

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But thats not a fair comparison at all. Trumps base will never NOT be fired up. They are delusional cultists. It doesnt matter what democrat you run, they arent gonna have a fanatic cult like Trump does.

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Sane people can never be as fired up as rabid cultists.

But that's not a problem. No matter how much a Trumpist is foaming at the mouth, they still only have one vote.

So the thing to do is to calmly and thoroughly outnumber them at the polls.