Current Events > You can make an argument that elections are, in a way, rigged in this country

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-dont-want-biden-to-run-again-poll-analysis/

This source says 69% of democrats DON'T want biden to run again.

A majority of democrats. An overwhelming majority of democrats. And that poll is a bit old, too lazy to find more recent data but I swear I saw that number climb over 70% recently.

And yet, he is being forced upon us. The DNC is such a powerful machine the will of the people doesn't seem to even matter.

Same on the republican side. Things are stacked so heavily against Trump's opposition they never were given a fair chance or even debate against trump.

I occasionally hear talk about a free an open election system here. On paper that's true. Anyone can file and run for president. But the machines in place are the kingmakers and they are the ones deciding who gets to run, we only decide who to vote for.

Sad.

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He's only being forced on us because you, the American people, voted him in. There were tons of other candidates but this is the guy you (america) wanted.

Rigged or illusion of choice. He was supposed to be the transitional president. But here we are..

Just don't vote. Just don't do it.

In the time it takes you to vote, you could play three games of pool. THREE!

Now that's fresh.

NightingaleMD posted...

And yet, he is being forced upon us. The DNC is such a powerful machine the will of the people doesn't seem to even matter.

People are literally voting for him in the democratic primaries.

What a dumb fucking topic.

That isn't rigged. That is just there is only 2 parties and they can pick whatever candidate they want for whatever reasons but sure I guess you can argue that the primaries are rigged but does that really matter?
The larger issue if you want to make this point is people disregard third parties.

Heineken14 posted...

People are literally voting for him in the democratic primaries.

What a dumb fucking topic.

That's incongruent with national polling showing majority of people from both parties don't want him on the ballot

Not sure you're getting the gist of the topic here

If I offer you a plate of blueberries and you take the blueberries that doesn't mean you want blueberries. It just means you took the only option given.

Biden is literally perfect and has no problems at all with his age or anything else you must be a secret trumper

WingsOfGood posted...

That isn't rigged. That is just there is only 2 parties and they can pick whatever candidate they want for whatever reasons but sure I guess you can argue that the primaries are rigged but does that really matter?
The larger issue if you want to make this point is people disregard third parties.

No, the larger issue is neither party is willing to move on from their nursing home candidates.

99% confident newsom would win in a landslide over trump if Newsom had the DNC's blessing to run. Now he's going to wait 4 more years.

Democrats like to lose.

1. They give us unelectable candidates that don't stand a chance. Biden is going to get crushed by Trump this time.
2. Democrats are pouty crybabies. "I didn't want _____ so I just won't vote. Trump can just have it."

I say this as a Democrat.

TC is on the way to another purgatory

Anyway I'm voting against the rapist who continues to paraphrase Hitler.

This is the flawed two party system, which most of the western world has already figured out with coalition style governments but here we sit still using a concept dating back to the French Revolution, controlled by the wealthy and corporate America.

Biden is a freaking puppet. Trump did harm, but seriously. I will not post here again.

ejolson posted...

This is the flawed two party system, which most of the western world has already figured out with coalition style governments but here we sit still using a concept dating back to the French Revolution, controlled by the wealthy and corporate America.

I used to think this too

But party systems are unavoidable. Our constitution was built around not using them, which lasted all of, what, 3 election cycles? The alternative is individual voice which tends to get drowned out by the bulk of what ultimately becomes a party.

Coalition government is becoming closer. We nearly had to have a coalition house when the MAGA wing sabotaged speaker votes. Would have forced a moderate republican into speakership. Too bad that didn't happen.

Tired of just seeing two extremes fighting, dying for any moderate at this point

Also the same national polls warned us that a red wave was coming in 2022, and that the Republicans were going to pick up seats in various 2023 elections.

How'd that turn out?

NightingaleMD posted...

Tired of just seeing two extremes

Give us some examples of Democratic party extremes

NightingaleMD posted...

Tired of just seeing two extremes fighting, dying for any moderate at this point

Biden IS a fucking moderate. Jesus fucking christ if you think the democrats are an extreme party.

*sigh* my actual last post but I wish Hillary Clinton won. I voted for Nader once and stopped caring. It's also why I don't discuss politics since I'm independent and such my vote wouldn't matter anyway. But Trump winning really didn't help the population at large.

So I suppose I'd rather just see the puppet win.

Will_VIII posted...

Also the same national polls warned us that a red wave was coming in 2022, and that the Republicans were going to pick up seats in various 2023 elections.

How'd that turn out?

invalid comparison

Dobbs decision undercut the red wave

Not sure what will undercut november. The MAGA base will follow trump straight to hell. Getting convicted of major crimes only riles his (essentially anti-government) base.

The only elective instability will probably go at the local level as a top-down effect from nationals.

Another way your comparison isn't relevant.....most people don't want either candidate, so a result for either is a loss for democracy

Heineken14 posted...

Biden IS a fucking moderate. Jesus fucking christ if you think the democrats are an extreme party.

He's known for both sides rhetoric.

Nevermind the fact that his justification for voting for Trump in 2020 was so he could afford a garage repair because his taxes would have been better.

It's not that it's rigged it's just a very flawed system whose rules are taken advantage of by people with money and influence.

NightingaleMD posted...

invalid comparison

Dobbs decision undercut the red wave

Not sure what will undercut november. The MAGA base will follow trump straight to hell. Getting convicted of major crimes only riles his (essentially anti-government) base.

The only elective instability will probably go at the local level as a top-down effect from nationals.

Another way your comparison isn't relevant.....most people don't want either candidate, so a result for either is a loss for democracy

Oh, ignoring history again

Heineken14 posted...

Biden IS a fucking moderate. Jesus fucking christ if you think the democrats are an extreme party.

Biden, under oath during a deposition, could not remember when his son died. Or the years he was vice president.

He may be a moderate but you need to wake up and realize he has "handlers" that keep him away from discussions not on a teleprompter. This is by design, not accident. Not comfortable with a president that has a staff pulling the strings.

He was a moderate before he lost his mind. This I will agree with.

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Nah

just till I finally heard him speak

I liked his enthusiasm and he has charisma

turned off by most everything else tho

Was hoping Haley would pull off SC but she's currently polling at 35%

sad

NightingaleMD posted...

99% confident newsom would win in a landslide over trump if Newsom had the DNC's blessing to run.

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Guide posted...

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idgi

He checks a lot of dem presidential checkboxes

he isn't in a cognitive decline

what's to lose here

Will_VIII posted...

Give us some examples of Democratic party extremes

You ignoring this @NightingaleMD ?

AOC as President when

I see you've returned to shit your pants all over the board again.

Who's your new simpage now that you can't pretend to like Ramaswamy anymore?

he's in a primary with a competitor. 70% of democrats could easily win it for his competition if they actually wanted to.

people want to bitch but not actually do the (simple) things they need to do to get what they want

NightingaleMD posted...

Was hoping Haley would pull off SC but she's currently polling at 35%

Oh, her inability to state what the civil war was about wasn't a deal breaker for you huh.

Actually, that tracks given your history.

Will_VIII posted...

Oh, her inability to state what the civil war was about wasn't a deal breaker for you huh.

Actually, that tracks given your history.

Or her statement that she would pardon Donnie regardless if he was guilty or not.

Yeah it's called the electoral college

Strider102 posted...

AOC as President when

what?

BoTh SiDeS

Smackems posted...

BoTh SiDeS

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Will_VIII posted...

Oh, her inability to state what the civil war was about wasn't a deal breaker for you huh.

Actually, that tracks given your history.

She's politicking when she does that

In order to escape the primaries she can't be a full moderate voice or she'll disappear.

Which, incidentally, she's already doing unfortunately. That's why she's going on the offensive now but it's probably too late and it'll be biden v trump round 2, to the chagrin of essentially everyone.

Will_VIII posted...

You ignoring this @NightingaleMD ?

Not at all, but it's largely outside the scope of this topic. Overall not a fan of seeing expansion of medicaid/medicare, universal health is a bad choice for a country this large (due to costs), poor immigration policy (none?????? Let everyone in??????? No plan???????), punish capitalists by taxing them to death, ignoring the free market by trying to regulate labor, so many things wrong.

The cherry on top is the most progressive wing abhors Israel, one of our very, very few allies in the region. Say what you will about Israel but having more friends is better than having fewer.

Of course you could equally fire back criticisms of right policies as well. You can also demonize "both sidzing" as you say, but I'm under no obligation to choose a side. I see too much fault with both to particularly care for either party.

NightingaleMD posted...

poor immigration policy (none?????? Let everyone in??????? No plan???????),

Yeah you're not at all current because this is false. You're ignoring that bill which would result in Biden shutting down the border

NightingaleMD posted...

Of course you could equally fire back criticisms of right policies as well. You can also demonize "both sidzing" as you say, but I'm under no obligation to choose a side. I see too much fault with both to particularly care for either party.

So ultimately, you're going to support the side with the rapist using Nazi rhetoric as you did the last 2 elections

*sees who TC is and doesnt even read OP*

This is going to go well

NightingaleMD posted...

She's politicking when she does that

In order to escape the primaries she can't be a full moderate voice or she'll disappear.

Lastly, this is an admission that you were okay with her appeasing racists by not factually stating what the civil war was for as if there's any circumstance to appease a racist.

Will_VIII posted...

Yeah you're not at all current because this is false. You're ignoring that bill which would result in Biden shutting down the border

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The Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act does not "shut down the border."

Have you read the bill? Or any summary of it? Because what you said is definitely, for sure, 100% not in the text. You can't "get" me by woefully misrepresenting a bill.

Man this shit of people going out of their way to inspire apathy and a hopeless feeling of futility in absolute strangers is getting really fucking old. This shtick doesnt make you edgy and actually makes you a dumb fucking tool of the far right in this country, whether you see it that way or not.