Current Events > Short guys who act overly aggressive are annoying

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I say this as a short guy myself (5'7) i've had so many short guys get in my face, try to micro manage me and act aggressive when they didn't need to be. Napolean complex is a real thing.

As short people it's best to develop good people skills and work harder so people respect you more and take you seriously than try to be some aggressive asshat for no good reason. Not to sound sexist but I notice this a lot with women too not just short men. They act overly bossy/aggressive to get people to do what they want.

Yeah, it just flags up the shortness more, if Im honest.

Yeah I'm 5'8 but have like zero aggressive tendencies, I'm usually the most agreeable person in the room in fact lol

I think all generalisations are kinda whatever

I'm a short person with the opposite problem. I can't defend myself.

mariolover2 posted...

Man, I wish I was shorter. Id have less back pain.

No you wouldn't.

mariolover2 posted...

Man, I wish I was shorter. Id have less back pain.

Don't they say neck pain is the back pain for shorties?

As in you'll have neck problems instead

mariolover2 posted...

Man, I wish I was shorter. Id have less back pain.

How tall are you that its causing problems with your back?

Did Bagel Boss guy recover?

I saw a short guy last week who had his truck jacked up 16-18" above the wheels.

It was hilarious, he'd have to stand on his toes just to look in the window.

Why do people assume it's about height instead of the dude just having a bad personality? Discrimination at work tbh. >_>

SecretBase posted...

Why do people assume it's about height instead of the dude just having a bad personality? Discrimination at work tbh. >_>

Because it is definitely more common among short dudes than tall or even average dudes.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Yeah I'm 5'8 but have like zero aggressive tendencies, I'm usually the most agreeable person in the room in fact lol

I think all generalisations are kinda whatever

you trying to pick a fight with me?

deathproof12 posted...

Because it is definitely more common among short dudes than tall or even average dudes.

Citation needed.

Reminder that Napoleon wasnt actually short. So the idea is already off to flawed start.

Nobody is claiming that all short people are aggressive. However, its not uncommon to meet somebody who is clearly insecure about their height and handles it through aggression. Yes, its about them being a dick who happens to be short rather than being short making them a dick, but it definitely happens.

Again, do you have actual data to suggest its a thing? Or just anecdotes and vague statements like it definitely happens?

I thought everyone liked Wolverine.

I find shorter men sexy.

As opposed to overly aggressive everyone else.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Again, do you have actual data to suggest its a thing? Or just anecdotes and vague statements like it definitely happens?

No I dont have data, in the same way that I dont feel the need to prove that the sky is blue. Its evident in the world around you.

Its also not an outlandish claim. The idea that it absolutely never happens is much more extreme.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Again, do you have actual data to suggest its a thing? Or just anecdotes and vague statements like it definitely happens?

Yeah. It's a bit of a slippery slope to say anecdotes are valid evidence here

If the topic was women drivers or something nobody would be game to use anecdotes

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Yeah. It's a bit of a slippery slope to say anecdotes are valid evidence here

If the topic was women drivers or something nobody would be game to use anecdotes

This is true.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Yeah. It's a bit of a slippery slope to say anecdotes are valid evidence here

If the topic was women drivers or something nobody would be game to use anecdotes

Thats a poor comparison, unless you mean that somebody was claiming that some female drivers are inept because they have encountered some, in which case, the anecdote is completely valid.

Of course, its fairly meaningless because the amount of female drivers would suggest that some of them are poor drivers.

deathproof12 posted...

Because it is definitely more common among short dudes than tall or even average dudes.

Perhaps. But even then maybe the guy is just bitter about how he's actually been treated by others rather than insecure about his height on a fundamental level.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Citation needed.

Reminder that Napoleon wasnt actually short. So the idea is already off to flawed start.

Technically no but effectively yes. Napoleon was slightly above average height but because he didn't wear heeled boots, while most of the elite men of his era did, he still often appeared shorter than his peers.

Though the fact that Napoleon chose not to wear the boots implies that he was the opposite of insecure about his height, yeah. >_>

Glob posted...

Thats a poor comparison, unless you mean that somebody was claiming that some female drivers are inept because they have encountered some, in which case, the anecdote is completely valid.

Of course, its fairly meaningless because the amount of female drivers would suggest that some of them are poor drivers.

I guess, as a short guy, it's a little annoying to have tread around 2024 sensibilities (like everyone else, I'm not saying that's unique) but with the caveat that you've kinda just gotta accept that generalisations about you are fair game

Napoleon Complex is real

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I guess, as a short guy, it's a little annoying to have tread around 2024 sensibilities (like everyone else, I'm not saying that's unique) but with the caveat that you've kinda just gotta accept that generalisations about you are fair game

I feel like youve missed my point.

Generalisations arent fair game. If somebody claimed all or even most short men are more aggressive, thats not on. That doesnt mean that we cant acknowledge that some short men are aggressive to mask feelings of insecurity linked to their height.

Glob posted...

I feel like youve missed my point.

Generalisations arent fair game. If somebody claimed all or even most short men are more aggressive, thats not on. That doesnt mean that we cant acknowledge that some short men are aggressive to mask feelings of insecurity linked to their height.

Okay. I guess some other acknowledgements about society based on anecdotes and personal experiences just feel taboo to even bring up

Especially if they're race related lol

haloiscoolisbak posted...

Okay. I guess some other acknowledgements about society based on anecdotes and personal experiences just feel taboo to even bring up

Especially if they're race related lol

I guess intention matters a lot.

If, for example, you argued that some black people are criminals, that's undeniably true. However, people might question your motives for making such an observation, as racists in the past have tried to argue that black people are naturally more predisposed to criminality.

Could you be making a benign observation? Yes. Are people likely to give you the benefit of the doubt? No.

Glob posted...

I guess intention matters a lot.

If, for example, you argued that some black people are criminals, that's undeniably true. However, people might question your motives for making such an observation, as racists in the past have tried to argue that black people are naturally more predisposed to criminality.

Could you be making a benign observation? Yes. Are people likely to give you the benefit of the doubt? No.

What if I said "black criminals are so annoying"?

shnangyboos posted...

What if I said "black criminals are so annoying"?

I would wonder why you specified black given that the black element has no relationship to the criminal element.

Shut the fuck up!!!

It could be that a person is angry and short, not angry because they're short.

(And 5'8" is really only an inch below average in height.)

And it's not just bad personality, but trying to feign the heart of gold. Or yeah scapegoating shortness or hobbies as the problem even if one has a horrid personality.

Hence that fake geek girl gamer claim. Easier to pretend that your hobby is off-putting than being unfriendly.

That also entails not enabling sexual predators via victim blaming.

Glob posted...

I guess intention matters a lot.

If, for example, you argued that some black people are criminals, that's undeniably true. However, people might question your motives for making such an observation, as racists in the past have tried to argue that black people are naturally more predisposed to criminality.

Could you be making a benign observation? Yes. Are people likely to give you the benefit of the doubt? No.

Yeah and while I can't disagree that us white, hetero guys can be victims of discrimination, it feels like the fact is used to claim that other groups are no longer victim to such at all or a little.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

Research

In 2007, a study by the University of Central Lancashire concluded that the Napoleon complex is a myth, described in terms of the theory that shorter men are more aggressive to dominate those who are taller than they are. The study discovered that short men were less likely to lose their temper than men of average height. The experiment involved subjects dueling each other with sticks, with one subject deliberately rapping the other's knuckles. Heart monitors revealed that the taller men were more likely to lose their tempers and hit back. University of Central Lancashire lecturer Mike Eslea commented that "when people see a short man being aggressive, they are likely to think it is due to his size, simply because that attribute is obvious and grabs their attention".[10]
The Wessex Growth Study is a community-based longitudinal study conducted in the UK that monitored the psychological development of children from school entry to adulthood. The study was controlled for potential effects of gender and socioeconomic status, and found that "no significant differences in personality functioning or aspects of daily living were found which could be attributable to height";[11] this functioning included generalizations associated with the Napoleon complex, such as risk-taking behaviours.[12]

overly aggressive at any height as well

GeraldDarko posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex

Research

In 2007, a study by the University of Central Lancashire concluded that the Napoleon complex is a myth, described in terms of the theory that shorter men are more aggressive to dominate those who are taller than they are. The study discovered that short men were less likely to lose their temper than men of average height. The experiment involved subjects dueling each other with sticks, with one subject deliberately rapping the other's knuckles. Heart monitors revealed that the taller men were more likely to lose their tempers and hit back. University of Central Lancashire lecturer Mike Eslea commented that "when people see a short man being aggressive, they are likely to think it is due to his size, simply because that attribute is obvious and grabs their attention".[10]
The Wessex Growth Study is a community-based longitudinal study conducted in the UK that monitored the psychological development of children from school entry to adulthood. The study was controlled for potential effects of gender and socioeconomic status, and found that "no significant differences in personality functioning or aspects of daily living were found which could be attributable to height";[11] this functioning included generalizations associated with the Napoleon complex, such as risk-taking behaviours.[12]

No surprise here.

Black and angry.
Short and angry.
Gay and angry.

When others are angry, it's because they're angry. When these individuals are angry, it's because of what they are.

Disclaimer: I don't compare "short discrimination" to discrimination faced by LGBTQ individuals or members of underrepresented ethnic groups. That'd be a total "My classmates didn't like me because I had red hair" play. But there is a small overlap in that it is treated as cause-and-effect when it comes to being angry. You're angry because you're (you).

Wtf you are 57 and you call yourself short? I am 51 damnit. However, I am not a short tempered guy just because of my height.

Glob posted...

I would wonder why you specified black given that the black element has no relationship to the criminal element.

And the argument is the short element has no relationship to the overly aggressive element, but you're saying that isn't the case, based on you seeing an overly aggressive short man and attributing his aggression to his shortness.

Is the issue here overly aggressive behavior, or overly aggressive behavior from short dudes? Is overly aggressive behavior not annoying when it comes from someone who isn't a short man?

shnangyboos posted...

And the argument is the short element has no relationship to the overly aggressive element, but you're saying that isn't the case, based on you seeing an overly aggressive short man and attributing his aggression to his shortness.

Is the issue here overly aggressive behavior, or overly aggressive behavior from short dudes? Is overly aggressive behavior not annoying when it comes from someone who isn't a short man?

It just comes across very differently. Theres a marked difference in the behaviour of a psychopath and somebody who is being aggressive to compensate for something, as their aggression never really rings true.

If you cant see it, you cant see it. Youre not going to convince me it doesnt happen though.

The smaller you are, the more people look down at you. When people tend to not take you seriously, you develop a complex. Can't really blame someone for being bitter about their height, not that I condone manlets being angry assholes.

Aitz posted...

Wtf you are 57 and you call yourself short? I am 51 damnit. However, I am not a short tempered guy just because of my height.

I'm short. Not super short but def A few inches below average

@Incredible

The smaller you are, the more people look down at you. When people tend to not take you seriously, you develop a complex.

But how often if any does someone get looked down upon inspire of displaying a genuinely decent attitude?

Cause insincere positivity or insincere kindness will be evident to those observant or just if one's poker face is bleh.

Your height has no bearing on how much of an asshole you are, though.

Antiyonder posted...

@Incredible

But how often if any does someone get looked down upon inspire of displaying a genuinely decent attitude?

Cause insincere positivity or insincere kindness will be evident to those observant or just if one's poker face is bleh.

Please refrain from using broken English

With the way people not only feel free to shit on short men but imply even worse things if they complain (someone feeling like they get bullied for being short does not mean they're one copypasta away from being a violent incel), why wouldn't you expect a lot to be sensitive about it?

Incredible posted...

Please refrain from using broken English

How is my English broken?