Current Events > Any time you criticise Trump to a supporter, they bring up Biden

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Ricemills posted...

Stop supporting Palestinian genocide by Israel.

Ok, except denying Biden his win doesn't discourage or stop that. Even if all of us here agreed to the third party and tried to sway others, there no guarantee that the third party will win and the Palestinian genocide will be undone.

Antiyonder posted...

Ok, except denying Biden his win doesn't discourage or stop that. Even if all of us here agreed to the third party and tried to sway others, there no guarantee that the third party will win and the Palestinian genocide will be undone.

Literally like what i just posted lol.

Ricemills posted...

Literally like what i just posted lol.

"Someone's going to say the thing that's true lol"

Ricemills posted...

Literally like what i just posted lol.

I was making my message before you finished yours, but that still doesn't offer a solution.

Ricemills posted...

Stop supporting Palestinian genocide by Israel.

Also, is that your only concern? What about in five months? What was your main concern five months ago?

Seems to me less like Biden specifically supports genocide and more like the entire fabric of America's political landscape system supports genocide. Like every party, senator and with any influence is on team Israel, for whatever reason.

I guess we've been here before but it seems incomplete to point out that biden supports genocide without recognising the bigger issue that is AMERICA supports genocide. There is no vote that does not support genocide.

Guide posted...

"Someone's going to say the thing that's true lol"

Yes, that's my point. You're all just broken records that repeats the same thing

Why ask someone what they want if you still gonna end up rejecting it?

Him: "tell me what you want"
Me: "I want this"
Him: "nobody will give you this, you should still vote for my candidate"
Me: "lol fuck you"

Ricemills posted...

Yes, that's my point. You're all just broken records that repeats the same thing

Why ask someone what they want if you still gonna end up rejecting it?

Him: "tell me what you want"
Me: "I want this"
Him: "nobody will give you this, you should still vote for my candidate"
Me: "lol fuck you"

Except it's "no one will give you this, but my candidate is much better on that subject than the alternative (so if you actually care then you should vote for them)".

You don't get a cookie for calling out the obvious counter that completely destroys your position in advance, it just makes it even worse because it means you can't even plead ignorance.

Lmao the arrogance.

You just completely avoiding the issue instead of facing it.
Nobody still prove that Biden is doing something to stop the massacre.
Even in the latest bill the funding for Israel us greater than the fund for humanitarian supports.
It's like giving a mass shooter $1000 while also giving his victims $500 to recover

Ricemills posted...

Yes, that's my point. You're all just broken records that repeats the same thing

Why ask someone what they want if you still gonna end up rejecting it?

Him: "tell me what you want"
Me: "I want this"

And if we can't cause of inability? You tell us what we want, but offer no suggestion on how we can achieve that.

Antiyonder posted...

And if we can't cause of inability? You tell us what we want, but offer no suggestion on how we can achieve that.

You want suggestion?
Stop funding Israel. Full stop until they stopped doing the atrocities.

Ricemills posted...

You want suggestion?
Stop funding Israel. Full stop until they stopped doing the atrocities.

I'm not funding Israel.

Antiyonder posted...

I'm not funding Israel.

And I'm not voting for you either.
Wtf is this retort?

Ricemills posted...

And I'm not voting for you either.
Wtf is this retort?

It's not a retort. I have nothing to do with what Israel is doing.

Antiyonder posted...

It's not a retort. I have nothing to do with what Israel is doing.

And who is the one in charge of the US funding at Israel right now?

Ricemills posted...

And who is the one in charge of the US funding at Israel right now?

Point taken, maybe. Remind me when this war started.

Antiyonder posted...

Point taken, maybe. Remind me when this war started.

Lol here we go with the mask off.

Another eagle's group that gonna excuse the genocide with "but 7/10!"

Ricemills posted...

Lol here we go with the mask off.

Another eagle's group that gonna excuse the genocide with "but 7/10!"

What. Unless it happened in 2020, I don't see how we could be expected to know it would be a concern.

Antiyonder posted...

Point taken, maybe. Remind me when this war started.

1948

Fair enough on my part. But would the 3rd party have had a shot at winning in 2020?

Ricemills posted...

Lol here we go with the mask off.

Another eagle's group that gonna excuse the genocide with "but 7/10!"

You're upset people are angry with you, but you also have to recognize how four more years of Trump can affect others.

It's very fair to say you won't compromise over genocide, but there are Americans suffering due to Trump's past actions and will suffer even more if he is in office again. And the war and destruction in Gaza won't get any better.

Look it's simple, you won't compromise and i won't too.

Ricemills posted...

Look it's simple, you won't compromise and i won't too.

Yeah except you're claiming to be perfect and occupying the highest ground while letting people suffer at all which by definition is immoral.

I at least concede to ignorance and tried to be civil.

Antiyonder posted...

Yeah except you're claiming to be perfect and occupying the highest ground while letting people suffer at all which by definition is immoral.

I at least concede to ignorance and tried to be civil.

The irony is strong in this post.

"Look at me, I'm civilized! And I'm gonna call the other ignorant to show how civilized i am!"

Ricemills posted...

The irony is strong in this post.

"Look at me, I'm civilized! And I'm gonna call the other ignorant to show how civilized i am!"

Mainly cause it just seems like you're not even being honest with your intents and being evasive like not giving the entirety of your take in a single post. What there's no one in the country that you care about (Family, friend)?

Antiyonder posted...

Mainly cause it just seems like you're not even being honest with your intents. What there's no one in the country that you care about (Family, friend)?

And what's your intend by trying to push someone off from caring on a humanity crisis?
And why should i be egoistic enough to not care about an atrocity if it's not directly affected me?

You don't even care enough about what other people want/need. You just wanted them to give you what you want, a vote for Biden.

Ricemills posted...

Yes, that's my point. You're all just broken records that repeats the same thing

You ask 2+2, and take issue when people keep telling you 4.

Ricemills posted...

And what's your intend by trying to push someone off from caring on a humanity crisis?
And why should i be egoistic enough to not care about an atrocity if it's not directly affected me?

You don't even care enough about what other people want/need. You just wanted them to give you what you want, a vote for Biden.

I've tried to engage a conversation with you twice in this thread, but it appears you instead want to argue yo help justify your position instead.

Guide posted...

You ask 2+2, and take issue when people keep telling you 4.

I said 2+2= 4, and you have issue that i expected it

pistachio12 posted...

I've tried to engage a conversation with you twice in this thread, but it appears you instead want to argue yo help justify your position instead.

Well duh?
That's what an argument is.

Ricemills posted...

And what's your intend by trying to push someone off from caring on a humanity crisis?

I thought of asking about numerous children or other people who would be incapable of doing anything directly. I avoided doing so cause I feared it would be a cheap shot.

Just that if you're not going to be straightforward it's hard to know if what won't be out of line.

I don't know, do you hate everyone in American and think everyone is literally at fault even people who have no control over what Israel does?

Ricemills posted...

Well duh?
That's what an argument is.

Your point earlier in this thread was to find ways to engage voters about issues without just yelling at them. I tried to engage. You ignored.

So maybe you represent that voter perfectly where they don't want to be appeased, they just want to find a way to complain instead.

Antiyonder posted...

I thought of asking about numerous children or other people who would be incapable of doing anything directly. I avoided doing so cause I feared it would be a cheap shot.

Just that if you're not going to be straightforward it's hard to know if what won't be out of line.

I don't know, do you hate everyone in American and think everyone is literally at fault even people who have no control over what Israel does?

Me: stop funding genocide
You: not straightforward enough!

Biden is basically the most moderate candidate that Dems can come up with, but FOX and GOP act like he is the "most liberal president ever!"

If Republicans could actually manage to nominate a decent moderate, voters might like that, but that's never gonna happen.

pistachio12 posted...

Your point earlier in this thread was to find ways to engage voters about issues without just yelling at them. I tried to engage. You ignored.

So maybe you represent that voter perfectly where they don't want to be appeased, they just want to find a way to complain instead.

I already posted my response right under your post.

If you don't want to compromise, why should i?
What? Gonna bully me into blindly voting Biden?

Ricemills posted...

Me: stop funding genocide
You: not straightforward enough!

Ok, but I'm not part of the government or any polticial figure.

What is someone like myself suppose to do to? Ignore morality and go vigilante/terrorist even if anyone innocent could be harmed?

Antiyonder posted...

Ok, but I'm not part of the government or any polticial figure.

What is someone like myself suppose to do to? Ignore morality and go vigilante/terrorist even if anyone innocent could be harmed?

Ah i see, you're just posting in circle to annoy me and hope i lose control while you have that report button ready.

For the last time, i want from Biden not you.

And yes, you did ignore morality by making excuse for not caring about the Palestinian massacre. Or Israel genocide is not counts as a terrorism to you?

Antiyonder posted...

Ok, but I'm not part of the government or any polticial figure.

What is someone like myself suppose to do to? Ignore morality and go vigilante/terrorist even if anyone innocent could be harmed?

Clearly you should just stop voting, despite the damage that will be done stateside on a Trump win.

Because if you try to convince him of the dangers stateside then you're just as bad as people that cheer for that damage being done who still won't care about fixing his pet issue.

Ricemills posted...

Ah i see, you're just posting in circle to annoy me and hope i lose control while you have that report button ready.

Nope. I am not, but I can't really prove it either.

For the last time, i want from Biden not you.

And yes, you did ignore morality by making excuse for not caring about the Palestinian massacre. Or Israel genocide is not counts as a terrorism to you?

Okay, I think I do understand what you are getting at. It's just that even doing things your way, what legal and humane ways could I get Biden or any official to back down?

Ricemills posted...

Ah i see, you're just posting in circle to annoy me and hope i lose control while you have that report button ready.

For the last time, i want from Biden not you.

And yes, you did ignore morality by making excuse for not caring about the Palestinian massacre. Or Israel genocide is not counts as a terrorism to you?

Do you want Israel to massacre Palestine? Or do you want Israel to massacre Palestine and America to massacre America?

Those are your options for 2024.

Antiyonder posted...

Nope. I am not, but I can't really prove it either.

Okay, I think I do understand what you are getting at. It's just that even doing things your way, what legal and humane ways could I get Biden or any official to back down?

Why do you think people threaten to not voting?
It's the only leverage they have to convince Biden to deal with the issue.

Ricemills posted...

Why do you think people threaten to not voting?
It's the only leverage they have to convince Biden to deal with the issue.

You don't think any other President even with a chance for winning won't just do the deed instead?

Antiyonder posted...

You don't think any other President even with a chance for winning won't just do the deed instead?

And be very happy for the "support" that allowed them to do the deed and worse?

Antiyonder posted...

You don't think any other President with a chance for winning won't just do the deed instead?

And that's what i feared for.
Imagine Trump said he will stop Israel, those people in desperation will throw away their vote to him.
Not even Trump, a 3rd party candidate will do.

To prevent losing votes, Biden must do something to convince them that he have their interest in mind.
It's a race against time, the longer he delays it the lower chance he get the votes back.

Ricemills posted...

And that's what i feared for.
Imagine Trump said he will stop Israel, those people in desperation will throw away their vote to him.
Not even Trump, a 3rd party candidate will do.

And how can you be sure the 3rd party will try at all or trying and succeeding.

Especially since as I was told how long this went on for no one has stopped it or succeed if anyone tried.

To prevent losing votes, Biden must dosomething to convince them that he have their interest in mind.

People will sometimes engage in immoral and/or danger/careless stuff even if on the receiving end like again environmentalism as no one would be safe from temperature rising.

People will say spend money at a casino or a lottery ticket even if their success at winning is zero.

Not everyone will back down from wrong doing or bad decisions because of being able to suffer from them.

Antiyonder posted...

And how can you be sure the 3rd party will try at all or trying and succeeding.

Especially since as I was told how long this went on for no one has stopped it or succeed if anyone tried.

People will sometimes engage in immoral and/or danger/careless stuff even if on the receiving end like again environmentalism as no one would be safe from temperature rising.

People will say spend money at a casino or a lottery ticket even if their success at winning is zero.

Not everyone will back down from wrong doing or bad decisions because of being able to suffer from them.

As usual you're missing the point.
Are you gonna let those votes stolen? You want their votes but ignoring their demands. Other party will steal them from you.

You can keep bullying and degrading them, but just don't expect people to vote against their interest.

Ricemills posted...

As usual you're missing the point.
Are you gonna let those votes stolen? You want their votes but ignoring their demands. Other party will steal them from you.

You can keep bullying and degrading them, but just don't expect people to vote against their interest.

How am I bullying you? I genuinely am asking why you are certain the third party in this case will avert the Palestinian massacre?

Ricemills posted...

You can keep bullying and degrading them, but just don't expect people to vote against their interest.

Apparently living is against their interests though.

2024 and the fate of the entire country on the line, and now some people are like "Is anything really worth it if both parties won't stop helping bad shit in the Middle East?"

Ricemills posted...

Why do you think people threaten to not voting?

Because they don't understand our election process?

Ricemills posted... It's the only leverage they have to convince Biden to deal with the issue.

Case in point.

demands

Demands that cannot be met as such you have already decided they are being ignored and punishing everybody is acceptable. Because take a wild guess what happens if Biden cuts all aid to Israel: far more people will vote against him for somebody that will support Israel

don't expect people to vote against their interest.

Strange. Increasing Trump's chances of winning are against their interest too. If you consider being reminded of that to be bullying then I don't know what to tell you.