Current Events > Any time you criticise Trump to a supporter, they bring up Biden

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They literally cannot imagine someone not having a cult like obsession with their president, so they really think that left wing voters idolise Biden.

I don't even know a single person that likes Biden.

I honestly cannot tell if this a subtle dig in sarcasm or just the lack of self observation.

If a leftist says they like Biden, they aren't a very good leftist.

RndmNmber1 posted...

I honestly cannot tell if this a subtle dig in sarcasm or just the lack of self observation.

You think the left likes Biden as much as the right likes Trump?

but Hilary

Guide posted...

You think the left likes Biden as much as the right likes Trump?

I think he meant that Trump is always brought up whenever there's criticism of Biden

trivialbeing posted...

I think he meant that Trump is always brought up whenever there's criticism of Biden

Oh, sure, that makes sense. The whole point of Biden is to not have Trump take up the slot.

Guide posted...

You think the left likes Biden as much as the right likes Trump?

Not as much, no.
But everytime someone trying to criticize Biden, it's often that Trump is brought up because he's worse.
And I do believe that they do like Biden.
Because of the idea of voting on hate is so sad. People should vote on who they like more, not who they hate less.

RndmNmber1 posted...

Because of the idea of voting on hate is so sad. People should vote on who they like more, not who they hate less.

american politics, for at least the last 30 years, has been like this

I basically feel like if I vote (which I don't) I'm picking the one that is deciding they are gonna take less of my rights/money/etc than the other one. Both are usually threatening to strip more rights, both are taking more of your money.

The people who legitimately like Biden are super weird. The Hillary people were too. It's just the alternative is so awful it's hard to imagine not supporting them out of self-preservation at a minimum.

Guide posted...

You think the left likes Biden as much as the right likes Trump?

The left? Fuck no.

But the #RESIST Dems and Brooklyn Dads of the world sure do.

RndmNmber1 posted...

Because of the idea of voting on hate is so sad. People should vote on who they like more, not who they hate less.

if you ask me, the entire idea of voting for an individual primarily based on how you like them as a person is completely insane. There's an entire party your backing - legislation, policies, funding, lobbyists, supreme court picks, everything.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

If a leftist says they like Biden, they aren't a very good leftist.

No true tankie would support Trump, but you can't help yourself can you?

pinky0926 posted...

I don't even know a single person that likes Biden.

Which is a strong commentary on how fucked the US political system is in itself.

sfcalimari posted...

No true tankie would support Trump, but you can't help yourself can you?

You're gonna have to run that one by me again

pinky0926 posted...

if you ask me, the entire idea of voting for an individual primarily based on how you like them as a person is completely insane. There's an entire party your backing - legislation, policies, funding, lobbyists, supreme court picks, everything.

I think that's what they meant by like

I don't think being against a fascist takeover is such a bad position to take, but if I start moping about how "I'm just not excited for any of these candidates so I won't vote", then the fascists win. You can "genocide Joe" till the cows come home, you can't convince me in rewarding Trump a second term.

pinky0926 posted...

if you ask me, the entire idea of voting for an individual primarily based on how you like them as a person is completely insane. There's an entire party your backing - legislation, policies, funding, lobbyists, supreme court picks, everything.

So voting on what party with policies that you like then?

Ricemills posted...

So voting on what party with policies that you like then?

I think people become completely side tracked by the cult of personality and be single issues. Single issue voters are a problem, imo.

pinky0926 posted...

I think people become completely side tracked by the cult of personality and be single issues. Single issue voters are a problem, imo.

It might be your problem, but not to them.
Especially when that single issue is what matters to them. The question is why nobody want to tackle that issue?

RndmNmber1 posted...

Not as much, no.
But everytime someone trying to criticize Biden, it's often that Trump is brought up because he's worse.
And I do believe that they do like Biden.
Because of the idea of voting on hate is so sad. People should vote on who they like more, not who they hate less.

What if there are no likeable candidates? Then you vote for the one you hate less, right?

That is exactly where a lot of people on the left find themselves.

Ricemills posted...

It might be your problem, but not to them.
Especially when that single issue is what matters to them. The question is why nobody want to tackle that issue?

I understand it, and I empathise with it. Hell I've been a single issue voters before, but I don't think it's practical to base your support on a party over a single issue. You get one tick on a box, and that tick represents everything that party does. So whether you are voting based on a single issue or not, you are always lending your support to a range of issues. Thats the shitty thing about politics.

ai123 posted...

What if there are no likeable candidates? Then you vote for the one you hate less, right?

That is exactly where a lot of people on the left find themselves.

Then vote on their policies, which one that you like more.
If there is still none that is likeable, vote on their platforms.
And if it's still has no one likeable, I don't recommend it but i won't blame anyone that decided to no vote on anyone.
The problem is no longer on the voters but on the nominees.

So I'll just retreat from this topic. You can use your vote however you like, for whoever you like.
I don't want to join in a conversation where i am forced to pick on a choice I don't like.

RndmNmber1 posted...

Then vote on their policies, which one that you like more.
If there is still none that is likeable, vote on their platforms.
And if it's still has no one likeable, I don't recommend it but i won't blame anyone that decided to no vote on anyone.
The problem is no longer on the voters but on the nominees.

So I'll just retreat from this topic. You can use your vote however you like, for whoever you like.
I don't want to join in a conversation where i am forced to pick on a choice I don't like.

Within context, "liking more" isn't significantly different from "hating less". You're not really saying anything.

RndmNmber1 posted...

Then vote on their policies, which one that you like more.
If there is still none that is likeable, vote on their platforms.

When I talk about liking a candidate, I am talking about their policy platforms. That should be the primary basis of choice. Personality is only an issue insofar as it affects trust and competency.

And if it's still has no one likeable, I don't recommend it but i won't blame anyone that decided to no vote on anyone.
The problem is no longer on the voters but on the nominees.

The problem is very much on the voters when they have to live under an execrable president. Which is why non-voting isn't really tenable.

The idea that you can withold your vote, let a terrible candidate win, and this will trigger reform in the other party?

How many times does it need to be demonstrated that that doesn't work?

1. Alternatively regardless of Hilary's failings prompting Trump's 2016 win, we at least got a taste of what his Presidency would bring in that it enables those who would otherwise reign their bigotry in to attempt to change or refrain from mistreating the subjects of hate.

What's the overall speculation on what Hilary's time would have brought?

2. Also while I can respect moral uneasiness of voting for Biden, the other problem with such reluctancy is just the overall pride that comes with say the more recent Coronavirus/Covid or the age old concerns of keeping the environment in decent shape.

This idea that we shouldn't try unless our actions yield perfect fast results.

But improvement rarely if ever can be done in any regard like literally learning to walk when you're young or learning to drive and so on.

Voting Biden doesn't get rid of the problems while at least his win gives us a chance.

Trump winning means that there is no chance for a better tomorrow. And again any hardships you experienced from Covid? Whether you voted him in or tried the 3rd party, demonstration that apathy can come back to bite a person.

I find this topic ironic.

The topic started with "Any time you criticise Trump to a supporter, they bring up Biden", but when someone thinks he doesn't like both of the candidates, the posts are all becoming about how you should still vote Biden because Trump is bad.

Ricemills posted...

I find this topic ironic.

The topic started with "Any time you criticise Trump to a supporter, they bring up Biden", but when someone thinks he doesn't like both of the candidates, the posts are all becoming about how you should still vote Biden because Trump is bad.

Because least if Biden wins you can safely talk trash about both and voting for him is at least to have a shot a positive change VS no such luck at all.

And yes Trump will definitely aim to get back at anyone who said even the slightest unpositive thing about him whereas Biden won't have you arrested for actual insults.

Antiyonder posted...

Because least if Biden wins you can safely talk trash about both and voting for him is at least to have a shot a positive change VS no such luck at all.

Missing the point completely.

You're just doing what the Trumpers do.

I mean, you're not wrong, but I've also seen a lot of people whose immediate reaction to criticism of Biden is "but Trump!"

Like... no shit, Trump is way worse. Doesn't make Biden remotely close to good. It just makes him not nearly as bad as one other option.

Ricemills posted...

Missing the point completely.

You're just doing what the Trumpers do.

How? At least even if we can't help everyone, we do:

A. Extend concern for people outside our social circle, as well as different race, gender and sexuality.

Trumpers just want to feel enabled to be bigots without consequences.

B. Voting for him doesn't mean we're afraid to voice criticism or even letting others insult him. If there was a 3rd party candidate that wasn't a gamble I'd be glad to forget Biden entirely.

Trumpers and the man himself take even civilized critique as an attack.

Antiyonder posted...

How? At least even if we can't help everyone, we do:

A. Extend concern for people outside our social circle, as well as different race, gender and sexuality.

Trumpers just want to feel enabled to be bigots without consequences.

B. Voting for him doesn't mean we're afraid to voice criticism or even letting others insult him. If there was a 3rd party candidate that wasn't a gamble I'd be glad to forget Biden entirely.

Trumpers and the man himself take even civilized critique as an attack.

You realized the topic is about how Trumpers deflecting with "but Biden!", right?
And you just doing the same but with reversed role.

Don't care about your excuse or their excuse, you all doing the same thing.

@Trumble

I mean, you're not wrong, but I've also seen a lot of people whose immediate reaction to criticism of Biden is "but Trump!"

No, just that we are voting for him cause it's a sure thing. Not the same as suggesting or demanding no criticism. Heck we freely acknowledge he's declining whereas Trumpers will refuse to concede Donald's own age issues.

Ricemills posted...

You realized the topic is about how Trumpers deflecting with "but Biden!", right?
And you just doing the same but with reversed role.

Don't care about your excuse or their excuse, you all doing the same thing.

Then how else do we turn things around?

Antiyonder posted...

Then how else do we turn things around?

Certainly not by bullying a non voters into submission, that's only makes you as bad as Trumpers.

Any time you bring up Biden to people who claim not to be supporters, the entire board brings up Trump, under the guise of making sure Biden gets votes and Trump doesn't, on a board that probably 100 people visit, and all 100 of those people are firmly entrenched in who they're voting for.

shnangyboos posted...

Any time you bring up Biden to people who claim not to be supporters, the entire board brings up Trump, under the guise of making sure Biden gets votes and Trump doesn't, on a board that probably 100 people visit, and all 100 of those people are firmly entrenched in who they're voting for.

"Sorry, despite something clearly existing I can simply say it doesn't exist. It's a neat little trick."

shnangyboos posted...

Any time you bring up Biden to people who claim not to be supporters, the entire board brings up Trump, under the guise of making sure Biden gets votes and Trump doesn't, on a board that probably 100 people visit, and all 100 of those people are firmly entrenched in who they're voting for.

Why is that a "guise", exactly?

KajeI posted...

"Sorry, despite something clearly existing I can simply say it doesn't exist. It's a neat little trick."

I genuinely don't know why you keep following me around posting this shit, or what point you think you're making. It's weird as fuck.

Ricemills posted...

Certainly not by bullying a non voters into submission, that's only makes you as bad as Trumpers.

And okay, so with that in mind, how can we convince someone prevent his win?

Guide posted...

Why is that a "guise", exactly?

You think the amount of people here are going to have an effect on any election?

Antiyonder posted...

And okay, so with that in mind, how can we convince someone prevent his win?

Have tried you know, ask what they want? And then actually doing something that reflect to what they want?

Ricemills posted...

I find this topic ironic.

The topic started with "Any time you criticise Trump to a supporter, they bring up Biden", but when someone thinks he doesn't like both of the candidates, the posts are all becoming about how you should still vote Biden because Trump is bad.

I think there is a qualitative difference here.

When someone supports Trump, they absolutely LOVE him. They think he's hiliarious, they think he's going to fix America, they think that he's a clever artful dodger playing 4D chess and simutalenously the most honest and good thing to happen in politics. So when they hear criticism about Trump they have to point to Bidens flaws as if to say "no, Biden is the guy who is all of that stuff."

When someone supports Biden, it's generally in spite of his personality and policies rather than because of it. I don't know anyone that thinks Biden is going to fix America. No one thinks he's funny or charismatic. No one believes he is a clever artful dodger, and if anything he is emblematic of everything that is wrong with the democrat party. When someone criticises Biden you kind of have to go "...yeah he's pretty shit. But still not as bad as Trump."

Ricemills posted...

Have tried you know, ask what they want? And then actually doing something that reflect to what they want?

Ok, what would you want?

Antiyonder posted...

Ok, what would you want?

Stop supporting Palestinian genocide by Israel.

shnangyboos posted...

I genuinely don't know why you keep following me around posting this shit, or what point you think you're making. It's weird as fuck.

"Following you around" aka happening to use the same board as you.

Ricemills posted...

Stop supporting Palestinian genocide by Israel.

Cool, which politician going for the presidency meets this criteria?

pinky0926 posted...

cult like obsession

hmmmmmmm

KajeI posted...

Cool, which politician going for the presidency meets this criteria?

And here we go again.
I'm gonna say i don't support any of them because no one doing it, and you guys will bully me into voting Biden.

We already had dozens of this exact discussion, and in the end still nobody trying to convince that Biden will stop supporting the genocide.