Current Events > Will \ has Taylor hit Micheal Jackson peak popularity?

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Taylor Swift rules the Hot 100 again this week, but not with the tune that controlled the tally for the past two frames. Instead, she replaces herself at No. 1 on the ranking of the most-consumed songs in the U.S. as "Is It Over Now?" takes over for Cruel Summer. With another leader in her discography, the singer makes history on the Hot 100 yet again, and she does so in a very strange manner.

"Is It Over Now?" marks Swifts third No. 1 hit on the Hot 100 in 2023. Thats impressive enough as it is, but one detail makes this latest champion even more eyebrow-raising. Swift has now charted three No. 1 songs on the Hot 100 this yearand theyre all from different albums.

The last musical act to send three songs to No. 1 on the Hot 100 from different albums in a calendar year was the Jackson 5. The band that launched Michael Jackson to superstardom managed the showing back in 1970 with some of their first hits.

Not sure u have to factor in population ratio as Mj in his prime there was a lot less people in the world.

as well as their contributions to the art of music and videos.

Myriad publications and academics regard Taylor Swift as the most culturally significant music artist of the 21st century. Swift was dubbed a trailblazer of the 21st century, and is recognized for her versatile musicality, songwriting prowess, and business acuity that have inspired artists and entrepreneurs worldwide.

Nowhere close. The only Swift song that most people are familiar with is Shake it Off. Compared to like 8 different MJ songs.

can you explain this part?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Taylor_Swift

Nowhere close. The only Swift song that most people are familiar with is Shake it Off. Compared to like 8 different MJ songs.

Sure. Give me examples of it actually doing that. What's she done that's actually innovative?

Critics describe her as a cultural quintessence wielding a rare combination of chart success, critical acclaim, and intense fan support, resulting in her wide impact on and beyond the music industry.

Swift has used social media to spotlight issues within the industry and society at large. This has prompted reforms to recording, streaming, and distribution structures, and to artists' rights (such as masters and intellectual property), corporate greed, sexism, and racism. Through this, she has been subject to scrutiny and controversy.

Various authors have used the adjective "Swiftian" to describe works reminiscent of hers.

Swift reshaped the 21st-century country music scene.[92] The country landscape is "much different today", according to Tom Roland of Billboard, due to Swift and her career decisions that several critics regarded "unorthodox"

Journalists highlighted how Swift redefined the 21st-century pop music direction by expanding pop's perceived boundaries to bring forth emotional engagement and artistic ambition without forfeiting commercial success, defying critical beliefs. In 2013, Rosen described the Red-era Swift as a prim figure"a rock critic's darling who hasn't the faintest whiff of countercultural cool about her", setting her apart from pop stars that followed the "raunchiness" trend of the period.[

British scholar Jonathan Bate dubbed Swift a "real poet", favorably comparing her to literary figures such as William Shakespeare, Ernest Hemingway, William Wordsworth, Charlotte Bront and Emily Dickinson and wrote that she has a "literary sensibility" that other pop stars lack

Nowhere close. The only Swift song that most people are familiar with is Shake it Off. Compared to like 8 different MJ songs.

I want to say no.

like, even people in developing countries around the world, in smaller towns/villages, knew who Michael Jackson was, and were fans.

with Taylor Swift, I haven't seen anything like that.

I'm not criticizing her in any way, though, as she can make good music and seems like a good person.

But she's nowhere near him in terms of overall popularity or culture relevance. Just look at the differences in their fanbases, as well as their contributions to the art of music and videos.

like, even people in developing countries around the world, in smaller towns/villages, knew who Michael Jackson was, and were fans.

with Taylor Swift, I haven't seen anything like that.

What's she done that's actually innovative?

What's she done that's actually innovative?

Nowhere close. The only Swift song that most people are familiar with is Shake it Off. Compared to like 8 different MJ songs.

because music back then didn't suck a butt quite like it does today.

No, I think her popularity is mostly localized in the US and I mostly only hear about her from outrage bait like "can you believe what kayne did to this poor young girl?!" and "maga/misogynists HATE her" or that her dedicated fanbase overpays for her tickets.

look it up and she is touring in singapore, france, sweden, uk, tokyo, australia, germany, poland, canada

https://www.taylorswift.com/tour/

Not a huge pop fan but I'm familiar with songs by Madonna, Britney, Beyonce, Pink, Aguilera, Rihanna, etc. I can't recall what a single Swift song sounds like.

No.

Media and culture is too fractured because of the Internet to have another superstar on the level of MJ.

No.

Media and culture is too fractured because of the Internet to have another superstar on the level of MJ.

are you sure she isn't known in small towns and villages?

like this info seems a bit dubious

how do you know MJ was? did you go out to a small town and they talk about him? like internet wasn't a thing back then

and then if that was how, then did you do the same with Taylor?

Lots of musicians tour worldwide, I mean that fever pitch popularity isn't as big elsewhere.

Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour Surpasses Michael Jacksons This Is It as Highest-Grossing Concert Film of All Time

Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour has officially become the highest-grossing concert film of all time, surpassing Michael Jacksons 2009 film Michael Jacksons This Is It. With todays box office tallies added to the total, Taylor Swifts movie has exceeded $261.6 million globally, reports Variety. Comparatively, This Is It grossed $261.2 million in theaters.
Swift was already on track to break the record when The Eras Tour debuted, as the film brought in $126 million globallythe biggest opening weekend for a concert film ever. Directed by Sam Wrench, Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour follows the pop star and her dancers onstage as she plays 40 songs from 10 albums, with no backstage or behind-the-scenes footage included. Tickets cost $19.89 for adults (an homage to Swifts birth year and album of the same name) and $13.13 (her favorite number) for children under 12 and people over 60.
Instead of releasing the concert film in all theaters, Swift partnered with AMC Theatresthe worlds largest cinema chainfor a nontraditional release exclusively in their theaters. This allowed her to earn 57% of ticket revenue as a producer of the movie, with those individual theaters taking the majority of the rest.

about that....

https://pitchfork.com/news/taylor-swift-the-eras-tour-surpasses-michael-jacksons-this-is-it-as-highest-grossing-concert-film-of-all-time/

Lots of musicians tour worldwide, I mean that fever pitch popularity isn't as big elsewhere.

wouldn't a growing population and the internet allowing for faster transmission actually mean we should easily surpass what was in the past?

Did MJ release a concert film?

Michael Jackson's This Is It is a 2009 American lost footage documentary film about Michael Jackson's rehearsals and preparation for the concert residency of the same name scheduled to start on July 13, 2009, at the O2 Arena, but cancelled due to his death eighteen days prior on June 25. The film includes additional behind the scenes footage, including dancer auditions and costume design. The film's director, Kenny Ortega, confirmed that none of the footage was originally intended for release, but after Jackson's death, it was agreed that the film would be made. The footage was filmed in California at the Staples Center and The Forum.

about that....

https://pitchfork.com/news/taylor-swift-the-eras-tour-surpasses-michael-jacksons-this-is-it-as-highest-grossing-concert-film-of-all-time/

yes it said it in the quote I gave:

surpassing Michael Jacksons 2009 film Michael Jacksons This Is It.

This is It also came after he died boosting sales no doubt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson%27s_This_Is_It

It's different because the internet means you can curate what you watch and listen to. It used to be that everyone was listening to the same radio stations and watch the same TV shows.

maybe but I got to like walmart or stores like that and they are constantly playing her songs

this is why people who are like "I never ever heard her songs before!" are either really ignorant or lying

maybe but I go to like walmart or stores like that and they are constantly playing her songs

this is why people who are like "I never ever heard her songs before!" are either really ignorant or lying

Regardless hearing a song in Walmart isn't really the same as the days of hearing songs over and over again while driving around to the radio.

maybe but I go to like walmart or stores like that and they are constantly playing her songs

this is why people who are like "I never ever heard her songs before!" are either really ignorant or lying

Iono I'm sensing this is a bait/troll topic

I think this is one of those topics where someone saw a hot take in a different topic. And decided to make a topic instead of letting that hot take get buried in the other thread.

Maybe. But TC is in bad faith throwing a question out there, and then being contrarion in nearly every post. He's not interested in having a real discussion. More of a "prove me wrong" with a mix of "let me tell you why my 'question' is actually true".

you guys know what a discussion is?

it isn't: is taylor swift as popular as micheal jackson?

no

ok then have a good day

perhaps you are the bad faith one if you refuse to read the wiki to understand what the critics and experts say are Taylor Swifts contributions

not to mention her on two points at least breaking MJ precedence

No need to be defensive bro. Its just that I've seen a lot of these same kind of topics before. And they almost always end in fighting and name calling.