Board 8 > Time for me to fumble through Zero Time Dilemma

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Danganronpa 1 is like... a 4/10. But it's a necessary evil to get to the rest of the games.

2 and V3 are my top 2 visual novels of all-time. Not to say they're perfect because
foolm0r0n posted...

I would easily call it the #1 worst game design in any published game, and this includes unfinished messes like Superman 64. There's probably worse games overall, but anything gameplay related here is just unconscionable

is actually more accurate than I care to admit. And it's not like the stories are impeccable either, because they're absolutely not. But when only taking into account the atmosphere and quality of the mysteries, DR can hang with the best of them. And there's definitely nothing else out there that can even remotely hit the same high that DR2's Chapter 5 does.

DR's gameplay is absolutely worse than AA's or Nonary Games.

See even the Danganronpa fans are telling me to be wary of it >_> I have a low tolerance for dodgy anime tropes, I guess if it's VLR level I'll live but Uchikoshi can push it too far for me sometimes (thinking of AI). I still haven't played Xenoblade 2 largely because I was put off by the... animeness of it all.

Well it wouldn't be for a while anyway, I'm playing through my backlog first (including GAA), so I don't need to make any decisions in a hurry.

foolm0r0n posted...

People massive underrate how god awful the gameplay is in the series. I would easily call it the #1 worst game design in any published game, and this includes unfinished messes like Superman 64. There's probably worse games overall, but anything gameplay related here is just unconscionable. The top designers in the world couldn't create something this brilliantly shit even at gunpoint.

The gameplay isn't great and some of the minigames are def bad but this is a truly wild take to me lol - there is so much actual garbage out there that's so, so much worse.

Danganronpa is definitely packed with anime tropes but I don't really agree with the complaints about gameplay. I liked it a lot more than at least the first Ace Attorney from that standpoint. (haven't played later Ace Attorney games)

I guess on a fundamental level I view all of these games as "tolerating the gameplay to get to the story" and would noticeably prefer them as pure visual novels in all cases. I didn't find Danganronpa's gameplay any harder to tolerate than the others but maybe I would feel differently if I cared about the gameplay at all to begin with.

I think a lot of the DR minigames are minor timewasters, but I do like how they implement cross-examinations a lot.

Danganronpa does a lot of annoying things but it's a worthwhile experience

Xiahou_Shake posted...

The gameplay isn't great and some of the minigames are def bad but this is a truly wild take to me lol - there is so much actual garbage out there that's so, so much worse.

What are some examples? And by what criteria? If you're just going by overall enjoyment, then you will obv disagree, especially if you liked the game.

Overall enjoyment is pretty important for a game, so that's the criteria I'd go to first. All of actual "gameplay" just amounts to quick changes of pace to highlight turning points in visual novel debates, so I'm not sure what criteria would get you so incensed about it beyond that.

If you want to talk about failure of cohesion or something along those lines I get way more upset about stuff like Tales of Zestiria and Tales of Arise where the math the core mechanics of the games are based on just completely stops checking out at higher difficulties because they apparently just didn't care about making a well-tuned combat system. Danganronpa's brief interruptions of gameplay can't possibly compare to a failure of that scale in my eyes.

It's about how damaging the game design is to the experience, and how much better it could've been. Tales is definitely on some terrible tier of bad game design, but I give the edge to DR, since Tales at least needs SOME gameplay to work, whereas DR could've just cut 100% of its interactivity and been so much better. DR's presentation and UI also work hard against it, while Tales is pretty fine from what I remember. So much of development time on that series is spent making the game worse, and that's just profoundly sad to me.

Guys have you not learned by now to not engage with foolmo

I would easily call it the #1 worst game design in any published game

Sounds like someone hasn't played Rain Code.

god, I kinda want to try it just to see what next generation atrocity they have come up with

foolm0r0n posted...

god, I kinda want to try it just to see what next generation atrocity they have come up with

i kinda want you to too!

it's really bad. like, all the worst parts of danganronpa gameplay, but made worse, and also more prominent.

(oh and the cases are worse too, and the contradictions you have to find are... my exact words while playing the game were "Rain Code is a game made for people who thought that catching Frank Sahwit was too hard")

Dels posted...

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/615863

^ This is a short little flash game that is heavily zero-escape-reminiscent.

I've played this now. Can definitely see the inspiration, right down to the abrupt ending leaving things open.