Current Events > Elon Musk reacts to Disney's inclusion standards.

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Elon is turning out to be the biggest douchebag in the world...

Elon Musk if you look over the years has become more and more starved for attention. I honestly think he constantly has bad takes now because it gets him tons of attention and he knows it.

@LightningThief

Then you're lying out your ass.

The only one lying is you, that or you're confused. Disney's Beauty and the Beast is literally not all about France. The story could take place in Quebec or Louisiana and the main plot of the story doesn't change. It was never about France.

You seem to be confused with a story being set in a specific location, and the story being actually about the where its set.

I've been using Black History Month as an excuse to watch blaxploitation films.

You said that hating minorities was the only reason anyone could have a problem with every film having a cast comprised of more than 50% underrepresented groups and you doubled down on it. With historic context being no excuse. And you doubled down on it.

I gave examples of how a Disney version of 18th century France could still have diversity and inclusion without the French comprising less than half of the cast of their own film. I conceded that, if the location were changed to a fictional setting, they could do whatever they pleased with the cast and it wouldn't matter. I've mentioned that my own writing includes diverse casts. None of that matters, apparently. You're grasping at straws and acting like you have a smoking gun. Some settings are different from others. Some casts should be different from others.

I've been using Black History Month as an excuse to watch blaxploitation films. These movies include White, Hispanic, and Asian characters from time to time. But 80% of the cast is going to be Black because, while fictional, they are categorically films about life and conflict in predominantly Black locations. If somebody remade Super Fly or Dolemite and decided that Black people should make up less than 50% of the movie, I wouldn't be pleased about that either. (Also, if I "hate minorities," why am I watching these movies anyway? Since you know what I'm *really* thinking, why don't you use your psychic powers to share with the rest of the board my lucky numbers, the subject matter of the book that I'm working on, and what I had for dinner last night?)

Disney's Beauty and the Beast isn't my racist safespace that I go to in order to get away from diversity. I haven't seen the movie in its entirety since 1994. I'm just using it as an example of a setting that would be predominantly Caucasian.

I didn't say I was learning history from movies.

Do you have anything else to say?

The charge was hatred

The word hatred was never typed in any of my posts.

I didn't say you did this either.

More blatant by the fact that you think Black History films teaching about literally black history is a counter argument, further proving you do not understand the difference.

I didn't say I was learning history from movies. I said I was using the month as an excuse to revisit a genre that I find entertaining. Everyone knows that you go to the library to learn and the theater to be entertained. But, hey. It's par the course for your overreaching accusations.

Are you done? Do you have anything else to say? You haven't sufficiently proven that I "hate minorities." It's a lot easier to throw out false accusations than it is to defend against them. Innocence doesn't have to be proven. Guilt has to be proven.

The charge was hatred and you haven't come up with one argument to support that. If you disagree with me on the demographic makeup of a historic film, that's one thing. You have every right to argue that audiences should be cool with any cast in any film. But don't accuse someone of racial hatred when they've brought several counterarguments and you haven't produced a single one beyond "Well, only a racist would complain about the cast of a movie..."

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Don't pull an "I'm not touching you" because you technically didn't type the word. I said I don't hate minorities and you said, yes, I do.

It's still the accusation that you made. Back it up with something or let it go.

Ugh.

I would appreciate it if you kept your stories straight.

You don't have an argument.

France was not an overarching point of the story.

You are massively confused of the difference between the setting of a story centering around the location, and a story just choosing a location and ultimately the location having no bearing on the historic accuracy of the plot.

More blatant by the fact that you think Black History films teaching about literally black history is a counter argument, further proving you do not understand the difference.

Disney's Beauty and the Beast doesn't compare to a story specifically about a specific group of people and their specific struggles at a specific location that the plot actually centers around.

If France was actually an overarching point of the story, like a story about the history of France, or a story about French suffering, or a story about French history, actually something centered around France you'd actually have a point. Disney's Beauty and the Beast plot is literally not centered around France. The setting could be thrown in Quebec of all places and the overarching plot doesn't change at all.

Are you arguing that somebody shouldnt be able to choose a location for a movie like Beauty and the Beast and then have a racially accurate set of characters for that location? That every story that does not have a location based plot should be set in a racially diverse location/time period?

Notice literally none of my post not once said the word hatred.

No. No where does any of my post argue this.

I'm also side stepping any talks about "accuracy" given that has already been addressed.

again many people are missing what disney is actually saying.

one way to think of it is this:

"At least half the staff should be women, but if you can't find a woman then a black person, gay, old white man, or handicapped person will do."

an "Underrepresented" group is also old people. white women. white straight christian women count. an old white guy would count.

biggest nothingburger of a memo

If you think it's racist to not want literally every film to have a Captain Planet or Power Rangers cast, then your definition of racism is far too broad.

It is clearly evident that you have a problem with somebody deciding that their story is going to be set in a small town in 18th century France and then having a cast of characters that is, say, 90% White French people. Your stance is not that the story should be done in a more diverse setting if the story is not dependent on the location and time period?

"shouldn't be able to" bro it's a free country you can do whatever you want, you're not gonna get arrested for your movie casting choices lol

It is clearly evident that you have a problem with somebody deciding that their story is going to be set in a small town in 18th century France and then having a cast of characters that is, say, 90% White French people. Your stance is not that the story should be done in a more diverse setting if the story is not dependent on the location and time period?

You are correct that you never typed the word. But you directly accused me of hate by deflecting my use of the word back at me.

I've given several counterarguments to your accusation of hate.

As for whether you want to block me, just do it. Some seem to think that's some kind of devastating thing to announce.

My posts have all been about that meme I posted of those crying boohoo tears about seeing more non white people in entertainment, and falsely waving the banner of "accuracy" in stories where it doesn't apply.

don't think that you'll be hurt by not being able to read my posts anymore. I'm just giving fair warning that I don't think that you're posting in good faith anymore and that I'm ready to be done with you.

I don't think that meme was ever about people waving a banner of historical accuracy. It's just about people being mad at seeing People of Color in their media.

Elon is a stupid dipshit and it should be illegal for someone like him to have as much money and influence as he does.

dat communism! why do you hate people working hard instead of just being given other people's money?

inb4 the inevitable

Is this a joke going over my head? Or do you disagree with me?

He's being sarcastic, friend

See I honestly wasn't sure so I had to ask.

See I honestly wasn't sure so I had to ask.

That is something you concocted in your head. No where in my post did I argue that's a problem. What's being discussed is complaining about so called accuracy in a story about a setting that the story was never actually specifically about. Disney's Beauty and the Beast could be set anywhere and the story doesn't change.

You are waffling back and forth between saying you dont have a problem with somebody choosing a setting and then having an ethnically accurate cast of characters for that setting and saying that Beauty and the Beast isnt specifically about the setting of a small town in 18th century France so that isnt a reason to have an ethnically accurate cast. If the first is true then the second doesnt matter.

Stop harping on 18th century France. It was thrown out there as an example. I could have said Medieval England or modern day Vermont.

Conceptually, the argument is over whether or not there is ever a time in which a mostly homogenous cast would be appropriate for the narrative. You can place anyone anywhere in history. You could have a Native American cast member in Mulan. Native Americans existed. Who is to say that they didn't build a ship and sail it to China in some unrecorded part of history? Even if that's taking liberties, it's more realistic than a dragon.

I'm not against that.

But I am against saying that's the only way that a story can be told.

Hmm.. I think I follow your argument - would you say this ("saying that's the only way a a story can be told") happens a lot?