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Xenogears15
02/06/24 2:07:02 PM
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...of manslaughter for the Oxford shooting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/jennifer-crumbley-jury-deliberations-trial-updates-live-ethan-appeal/14390898/

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MarcoRubio
02/06/24 2:07:15 PM
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Good

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Baha05
02/06/24 2:08:03 PM
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Thought this was a Harry Potter character for a second but good.

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Amocat
02/06/24 2:09:54 PM
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Yessss

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Westernwolf4
02/06/24 2:10:21 PM
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MarcoRubio posted...
Good


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Background_Guy
02/06/24 2:11:20 PM
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I don't remember this school shooting, there are just so many
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Xenogears15
02/06/24 2:13:38 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
I don't remember this school shooting, there are just so many

This is the most recent where the mom bought the kid the handgun he used in the shooting. Just a few days before. Happened in Michigan.

First time a parent has been tried, and I hope it establishes prescidence.

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Imit8m3
02/06/24 2:24:43 PM
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of course it establishes precedent. but how bad does a parent need to be for the precedent to apply?

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Westernwolf4
02/06/24 2:32:57 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
I don't remember this school shooting, there are just so many

That is why it is so important to hold parents accountable when they are so obviously negligent as is the case here. Maybe the next parent wont be so eager to give their school aged child access to a firearm.

It would be even more helpful if the GOP would join the clear majority of us who want to consider and implement common sense gun control to keep people safe. Instead of using shootings of the innocent as a rallying cry for wedge voters who they convince that the big bad Democrats are coming for every gun they own and donations from the NRA.

But one thing at a time.


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XxKrebsxX
02/06/24 2:33:28 PM
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So long as the mother provided the gun as in the case, fair.

But if a parent is blindsided by the shooting where their kid went through other means the parents shouldn't be tried.
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Xenogears15
02/06/24 2:45:42 PM
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XxKrebsxX posted...
So long as the mother provided the gun as in the case, fair.

But if a parent is blindsided by the shooting where their kid went through other means the parents shouldn't be tried.

I would argue that there are more situations where parents should be held accountable. Like here, where the school gave the parents the option to take their troubled child home but decided to keep him in school, when he then turned around and killed people.

I hate to say it, but I think the only way to truly try and prevent these things is to go after the parents. We need to broaden what is acceptable to hold them accountable for.

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XxKrebsxX
02/06/24 2:50:43 PM
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Xenogears15 posted...
it, but I think the only way to truly try and prevent these things is to go after the parents. We need to broaden what is acc

You know a majority of people live paycheck to paycheck. In this case, that wasn't the issue. Management said she would have been alright leaving work but can you say that for all people?
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Xenogears15
02/06/24 2:56:09 PM
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XxKrebsxX posted...
You know a majority of people live paycheck to paycheck. In this case, that wasn't the issue. Management said she would have been alright leaving work but can you say that for all people?

No. But if the school is telling you that your son is a danger, you need to take them home. The parent needing to work is not a valid excuse.

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Ruvan22
02/06/24 3:07:34 PM
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XxKrebsxX posted...
So long as the mother provided the gun as in the case, fair.

But if a parent is blindsided by the shooting where their kid went through other means the parents shouldn't be tried.

How exactly would you define "blindsided"? For example a parent leaving loaded guns unsecured around the house seems like it should carry some responsibility in providing access..
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DrizztLink
02/06/24 3:36:35 PM
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XxKrebsxX posted...
But if a parent is blindsided by the shooting where their kid went through other means the parents shouldn't be tried.
Cool, so it's a completely irrelevant point to this case.

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TimeForAction
02/06/24 3:41:20 PM
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Idk if this is or should be a blanket precedent for charging parents for their kids actions. In this particular case it was egregious but thats why it rose to this level. It should still be case by case and rare
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Xenogears15
02/06/24 3:52:11 PM
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TimeForAction posted...
Idk if this is or should be a blanket precedent for charging parents for their kids actions. In this particular case it was egregious but thats why it rose to this level. It should still be case by case and rare

I'm not so sure I agree. The only way I see it as possible to curb school shootings is to punish the parents for their negligence. If parents start to be thrown behind bars for their children's murders, then we might actually see parents start to act more responsibly with firearms around their kids.

Everything starts in the home, and that includes school shooters.

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name_unknown
02/06/24 3:57:18 PM
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Xenogears15 posted...
First time a parent has been tried, and I hope it establishes prescidence.
July 4 IL shooter's father was charged last year but given slap on the wrist

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/father-july-4-parade-shooting-suspect-released-early-illinois-jail-rcna129574
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MatzoTov
02/06/24 4:05:03 PM
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Glad this case was charged but it should depend from case to case.

For example, if the parent gives the kid the gun, they should be responsible for all counts.
If the gun is hidden but not locked, and the kid finds it by deliberately knowing where to look, the parents should be charged with something, but not everything.
If the gun is securely locked away with no ammo and unloaded and inside a LOCKED gun safe, but the kid somehow finds/guesses the code and gets into the stash, then I'm not sure I'd agree with charging the parents on any count.

It all depends. If the code is like, stickey-noted in the safe or something then obviously they should still be charged.

Hope this does start a precedent in some cases though.

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