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ArsGoetia 02/06/24 1:09:40 PM #52:	The_Korey posted... Don't ban tipping. Ban bullshit wages that force workers to rely on being tipped. raise the minimum wage then if a tipped employee doesnt receive enough tips to meet minimum wage, then the employer has to make up that difference <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978688687] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>The_Korey posted... </cite><quote>Don't ban tipping. Ban bullshit wages that force workers to rely on being tipped.</quote>raise the minimum wage thenif a tipped employee doesnt receive enough tips to meet minimum wage, then the employer has to make up that difference</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
majin_nemesis 02/06/24 1:09:50 PM #53:	Dakimakura posted... If you cant afford to pay your employees a living wage then dont start a business. <cite>majin_nemesis posted [p:978688692] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Dakimakura posted... </cite><quote>If you cant afford to pay your employees a living wage then dont start a business.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamil 02/06/24 1:12:07 PM #54:	They do raise the minimum wage here a lot. Fast food workers be pulling in at least 15 US dollars here I think. But then everything else goes up to compensate the increase. Or in some cases, pay goes up available hours go down. --- "A lesser talent couldn't have pulled it off. But I'm willing to bet on BoJack Horseman. Are you?" ~~Cuddlywhiskers on the new show <cite>Kamil posted [p:978688731] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>They do raise the minimum wage here a lot. Fast food workers be pulling in at least 15 US dollars here I think. But then everything else goes up to compensate the increase.Or in some cases, pay goes up available hours go down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 02/06/24 1:12:24 PM #55:	EndOfDiscOne posted... This, only rich people should be starting businesses. Stay in your lane, poor people. What did being rich ever have to do with paying your employees fairly? You pay based on the concept of labor producing excess profit, not based on what you can afford. --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:978688735] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>This, only rich people should be starting businesses. Stay in your lane, poor people.</quote>What did being rich ever have to do with paying your employees fairly?You pay based on the concept of labor producing excess profit, not based on what you can afford. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ArsGoetia 02/06/24 1:17:48 PM #57:	Kamil posted... They do raise the minimum wage here a lot. Fast food workers be pulling in at least 15 US dollars here I think. a lot of larger fast food chains have increased wages, yes, but that's not a state requirement i think mcdonalds here hires at like $13 for <18 and $15 for >18 but state minimum is still $10/hr <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978688832] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Kamil posted... </cite><quote>They do raise the minimum wage here a lot. Fast food workers be pulling in at least 15 US dollars here I think. </quote>a lot of larger fast food chains have increased wages, yes, but that's not a state requirementi think mcdonalds here hires at like $13 for <18 and $15 for >18but state minimum is still $10/hr</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
boomgetchopped3 02/06/24 1:19:36 PM #58:	I always tip, but that doesnt mean I like it. Its kind of the worst thing ever. Especially when youre expected to tip a percentage. --- More to do with the humidity than heat <cite>boomgetchopped3 posted [p:978688857] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>I always tip, but that doesnt mean I like it. Its kind of the worst thing ever. Especially when youre expected to tip a percentage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/06/24 1:25:26 PM #59:	Reminder that some services actually request a tip up front, which kinda destroys the very concept of it being to compliment good service. It's just an institution which, as people have said, is used as a crutch to "justify" poor pay. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978688963] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Reminder that some services actually request a tip up front, which kinda destroys the very concept of it being to compliment good service. It's just an institution which, as people have said, is used as a crutch to "justify" poor pay. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/06/24 1:27:02 PM #60:	ArsGoetia posted... i think mcdonalds here hires at like $13 for <18 and $15 for >18 This in turn is another issue that needs addressing, but society is conditioned to hate young people so it never will be. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978688994] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>ArsGoetia posted... </cite><quote>i think mcdonalds here hires at like $13 for <18 and $15 for >18</quote>This in turn is another issue that needs addressing, but society is conditioned to hate young people so it never will be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArsGoetia 02/06/24 1:28:51 PM #61:	Dark_Arbron posted... This in turn is another issue that needs addressing, but society is conditioned to hate young people so it never will be. wym there are tons of regulations as to what a minor can do in foodservice cant handle knives or other potentially dangerous implements/machinery, require at least a 15 minute break every 4 hrs, can't work past certain hours etc. why would i pay a minor the same amount i pay someone that can do twice the shit theyre legally allowed to? why <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978689022] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>This in turn is another issue that needs addressing, but society is conditioned to hate young people so it never will be.</quote>wymthere are tons of regulations as to what a minor can do in foodservicecant handle knives or other potentially dangerous implements/machinery, require at least a 15 minute break every 4 hrs, can't work past certain hours etc. why would i pay a minor the same amount i pay someone that can do twice the shit theyre legally allowed to?why </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scintillant 02/06/24 1:30:11 PM #62:	if i opened a restaurant i would just autograt every bill for my staff members --- whats cat up to <cite>Scintillant posted [p:978689036] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>if i opened a restaurant i would just autograt every bill for my staff members </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 02/06/24 1:31:16 PM #64:	ArsGoetia posted... wym there are tons of regulations as to what a minor can do in foodservice cant handle knives or other potentially dangerous implements/machinery, require at least a 15 minute break every 4 hrs, can't work past certain hours etc. why would i pay a minor the same amount i pay someone that can do twice the shit theyre legally allowed to? why Actually, I'm with you on that point. It's fucking idiotic to think a 16 year old can't handle a meat cleaver, or a machine with two buttons. That's western society for you. "Kids" are treated as idiots. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978689056] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>ArsGoetia posted... </cite><quote>wymthere are tons of regulations as to what a minor can do in foodservicecant handle knives or other potentially dangerous implements/machinery, require at least a 15 minute break every 4 hrs, can't work past certain hours etc. why would i pay a minor the same amount i pay someone that can do twice the shit theyre legally allowed to?why</quote>Actually, I'm with you on that point. It's fucking idiotic to think a 16 year old can't handle a meat cleaver, or a machine with two buttons. That's western society for you. "Kids" are treated as idiots. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArsGoetia 02/06/24 1:31:23 PM #66:	Scintillant posted... if i opened a restaurant i would just autograt every bill for my staff members this isnt a bad idea i did it on tables over 6 ppl at 20% <cite>ArsGoetia posted [p:978689059] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Scintillant posted... </cite><quote>if i opened a restaurant i would just autograt every bill for my staff members</quote>this isnt a bad ideai did it on tables over 6 ppl at 20%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
name_unknown 02/06/24 1:31:23 PM #65:	NRA is against tipping and lobbies against it. Every city has a restaurant association with a policy to keep tipping. Lobbyists have a strangle hold on keeping tipping culture. <cite>name_unknown posted [p:978689058] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>NRA is against tipping and lobbies against it. Every city has a restaurant association with a policy to keep tipping. Lobbyists have a strangle hold on keeping tipping culture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
majin_nemesis 02/06/24 1:34:37 PM #67:	EndOfDiscOne posted... This, only rich people should be starting businesses. Stay in your lane, poor people. in other countries this tipping culture crap doesn't exist and people that aren't rich can start business and pay employees a living wage <cite>majin_nemesis posted [p:978689114] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>This, only rich people should be starting businesses. Stay in your lane, poor people.</quote>in other countries this tipping culture crap doesn't exist and people that aren't rich can start business and pay employees a living wage </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 02/06/24 1:41:02 PM #68:	protip #237 when going to a restaurant skip the appetizer and/or dessert Instead use that money to tip the waitstaff, less trips the waitstaff have to make to serve you, when ordering a drink also ask for a water so you dont needlessly bother them again. Stack empty plates for easier removal before you leave --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:978689239] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>protip #237 when going to a restaurant skip the appetizer and/or dessert Instead use that money to tip the waitstaff, less trips the waitstaff have to make to serve you, when ordering a drink also ask for a water so you dont needlessly bother them again. Stack empty plates for easier removal before you leave </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 02/06/24 1:55:46 PM #70:	EndOfDiscOne posted... This, only rich people should be starting businesses. Stay in your lane, poor people. It's not about being rich, its about your business being insolvent --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:978689507] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>This, only rich people should be starting businesses. Stay in your lane, poor people.</quote>It's not about being rich, its about your business being insolvent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/06/24 1:57:11 PM #71:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I have an awesome local restaurant my family and I have patronized for literally decades now. Very much affordable and they pay their employees properly. No idea why people feel the need to dine so expensively. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978689534] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I have an awesome local restaurant my family and I have patronized for literally decades now. Very much affordable and they pay their employees properly. No idea why people feel the need to dine so expensively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-Mac 02/06/24 1:59:54 PM #72:	Sometimes I tip and sometimes I dont. Depends on price of meal and so forth. <cite>C-Mac posted [p:978689588] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Sometimes I tip and sometimes I dont. Depends on price of meal and so forth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/06/24 2:05:01 PM #73:	majin_nemesis posted... in other countries this tipping culture crap doesn't exist and people that aren't rich can start business and pay employees a living wage My point is that no one can really "afford to start a business" and pay employees a living wage out the gate. They have to get a loan. If you have in your business plan that you plan to play servers a living wage, good luck getting the bank to approve of that. The vast majority of restaurants fail even with paying their servers very little. Restaurant owners have to play the game, and it's not going to change without regulation. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:978689683] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>majin_nemesis posted... </cite><quote>in other countries this tipping culture crap doesn't exist and people that aren't rich can start business and pay employees a living wage</quote>My point is that no one can really "afford to start a business" and pay employees a living wage out the gate. They have to get a loan. If you have in your business plan that you plan to play servers a living wage, good luck getting the bank to approve of that. The vast majority of restaurants fail even with paying their servers very little. Restaurant owners have to play the game, and it's not going to change without regulation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
reincarnator07 02/06/24 2:06:41 PM #74:	If you want to demand a tip, it's no longer a tip but a fee. If you want to push your prices up, simply increase the menu prices by 20% and pay your staff properly. Ultimately, if the menu states $X then don't get mad that people pay the asking price of $X. If you want $Y, charge $Y. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero <cite>reincarnator07 posted [p:978689720] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>If you want to demand a tip, it's no longer a tip but a fee. If you want to push your prices up, simply increase the menu prices by 20% and pay your staff properly.Ultimately, if the menu states $X then don't get mad that people pay the asking price of $X. If you want $Y, charge $Y. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
reincarnator07 02/06/24 2:07:36 PM #75:	EndOfDiscOne posted... My point is that no one can really "afford to start a business" and pay employees a living wage out the gate. They have to get a loan. If you have in your business plan that you plan to play servers a living wage, good luck getting the bank to approve of that. The vast majority of restaurants fail even with paying their servers very little. Restaurant owners have to play the game, and it's not going to change without regulation. If your business can't meet its costs, your business is fundamentally flawed and should be re-evaluated. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero <cite>reincarnator07 posted [p:978689740] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>My point is that no one can really "afford to start a business" and pay employees a living wage out the gate. They have to get a loan. If you have in your business plan that you plan to play servers a living wage, good luck getting the bank to approve of that. The vast majority of restaurants fail even with paying their servers very little. Restaurant owners have to play the game, and it's not going to change without regulation.</quote>If your business can't meet its costs, your business is fundamentally flawed and should be re-evaluated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 02/06/24 2:18:52 PM #78:	reincarnator07 posted... If your business can't meet its costs, your business is fundamentally flawed and should be re-evaluated. If you decide to pay your workers far above the market rate, that's not a real cost of doing business. Great if you can do that, but how many restaurants pay servers a living wage? That doesn't mean they're fundamentally flawed. They're made to function within their current system, which allows and almost requires them to pay little. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:978689959] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>reincarnator07 posted... </cite><quote>If your business can't meet its costs, your business is fundamentally flawed and should be re-evaluated.</quote>If you decide to pay your workers far above the market rate, that's not a real cost of doing business. Great if you can do that, but how many restaurants pay servers a living wage? That doesn't mean they're fundamentally flawed. They're made to function within their current system, which allows and almost requires them to pay little. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/06/24 2:21:49 PM #79:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I wasn't disagreeing. Just saying that I'm thankful to live in a country where this isn't even a discussion. (Sorry. Sometimes when a post gives me an idea, I quote said post when posting that idea, even if it's not a direct response or argument.) --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978690015] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I wasn't disagreeing. Just saying that I'm thankful to live in a country where this isn't even a discussion.(Sorry. Sometimes when a post gives me an idea, I quote said post when posting that idea, even if it's not a direct response or argument.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WalkingPlague 02/06/24 2:22:33 PM #80:	shut up, tc. i tip based on service received. if i feel you did a good job congrats on the tip. otherwise, find a new job. --- I may look calm, but in my head, I've just killed you three times. <cite>WalkingPlague posted [p:978690025] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>shut up, tc. i tip based on service received. if i feel you did a good job congrats on the tip. otherwise, find a new job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--Zero- 02/06/24 2:23:48 PM #81:	Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol. --- Sig <cite>--Zero- posted [p:978690051] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/06/24 2:24:17 PM #82:	reincarnator07 posted... If you want to demand a tip, it's no longer a tip but a fee. /topic --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978690064] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>reincarnator07 posted... </cite><quote>If you want to demand a tip, it's no longer a tip but a fee.</quote>/topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/06/24 2:25:33 PM #83:	--Zero- posted... Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol. It took me way too long to figure out that you need to wave them down if you want their attention. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:978690093] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>--Zero- posted... </cite><quote>Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol.</quote>It took me way too long to figure out that you need to wave them down if you want their attention. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bluezero 02/06/24 2:30:50 PM #84:	R1masher posted... protip #237 when going to a restaurant skip the appetizer and/or dessert Instead use that money to tip the waitstaff, less trips the waitstaff have to make to serve you, when ordering a drink also ask for a water so you dont needlessly bother them again. Stack empty plates for easier removal before you leave At that point, who is earning the tip? --- i7-12700F - 3080 - 64GB 3200 - 1440p Ultrawide <cite>bluezero posted [p:978690184] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>R1masher posted... </cite><quote>protip #237 when going to a restaurant skip the appetizer and/or dessert Instead use that money to tip the waitstaff, less trips the waitstaff have to make to serve you, when ordering a drink also ask for a water so you dont needlessly bother them again. Stack empty plates for easier removal before you leave</quote>At that point, who is earning the tip? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 02/06/24 2:32:12 PM #85:	bluezero posted... At that point, who is earning the tip? At this point seems tipping is like alms to the poor of society, like giving to the homeless. Or so that is how the must tippers are framing it. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:978690204] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>bluezero posted... </cite><quote>At that point, who is earning the tip?</quote>At this point seems tipping is like alms to the poor of society, like giving to the homeless. Or so that is how the must tippers are framing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--Zero- 02/06/24 2:33:15 PM #86:	EndOfDiscOne posted... It took me way too long to figure out that you need to wave them down if you want their attention. I found out at the end of my trip that I needed to do that and if I want to get my order in I need to place the menu down also lol. Then if I waive them down they act all annoyed --- Sig <cite>--Zero- posted [p:978690224] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>It took me way too long to figure out that you need to wave them down if you want their attention.</quote>I found out at the end of my trip that I needed to do that and if I want to get my order in I need to place the menu down also lol. Then if I waive them down they act all annoyed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RetuenOfDevsman 02/06/24 2:35:18 PM #87:	It all evens out in the end. <cite>RetuenOfDevsman posted [p:978690260] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>It all evens out in the end.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jerry_Hellyeah 02/06/24 2:48:16 PM #88:	pauIie posted... shit post. somebody has to work these jobs otherwise we don't have food service. and they should be paid. Yeah, so get someone that can work these jobs that are so vital. --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:978690484] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>pauIie posted... </cite><quote>shit post. somebody has to work these jobs otherwise we don't have food service. and they should be paid.</quote>Yeah, so get someone that can work these jobs that are so vital. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xlr_big-coop 02/06/24 3:17:16 PM #89:	Dakimakura posted... If you cant afford to pay your employees a living wage then dont start a business. Glob posted... Expecting tipping is stupid. At that point, its not a tip, its just that your prices are a lie. These. Fuck tipping culture --- :) <cite>xlr_big-coop posted [p:978690958] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>Dakimakura posted... </cite><quote>If you cant afford to pay your employees a living wage then dont start a business.</quote>Glob posted... </cite><quote>Expecting tipping is stupid. At that point, its not a tip, its just that your prices are a lie.</quote>These. Fuck tipping culture </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 02/06/24 3:19:39 PM #90:	--Zero- posted... Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol. Good? I don't want some person pretending to be nice hovering around while I'm eating. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:978690990] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>--Zero- posted... </cite><quote>Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol.</quote>Good? I don't want some person pretending to be nice hovering around while I'm eating. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 02/06/24 3:21:56 PM #91:	refmon posted... It should be a law at this point No. What should be a law is if you can't afford to pay your staff/contractors/whatever fancy workaround label, then you dont deserve to have your company. Payroll should be and is 100% the employers responsibility. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:978691033] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>refmon posted... </cite><quote>It should be a law at this point</quote>No.What should be a law is if you can't afford to pay your staff/contractors/whatever fancy workaround label, then you dont deserve to have your company. Payroll should be and is 100% the employers responsibility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodMoon7 02/06/24 3:29:22 PM #92:	I already don't. Not cause I can't afford it but because fuck tipping culture --- My maid will hear about this. <cite>BloodMoon7 posted [p:978691144] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>I already don't. Not cause I can't afford it but because fuck tipping culture </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--Zero- 02/06/24 5:51:50 PM #93:	IceCreamOnStero posted... Good? I don't want some person pretending to be nice hovering around while I'm eating. Lol its not like that. --- Sig <cite>--Zero- posted [p:978693617] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>IceCreamOnStero posted... </cite><quote>Good? I don't want some person pretending to be nice hovering around while I'm eating.</quote>Lol its not like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/06/24 8:10:54 PM #94:	IceCreamOnStero posted... Good? I don't want some person pretending to be nice hovering around while I'm eating. Agreed. I really dont like American customer service. Also, tips are not expected in most of Europe. <cite>Glob posted [p:978696463] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>IceCreamOnStero posted... </cite><quote>Good? I don't want some person pretending to be nice hovering around while I'm eating.</quote>Agreed. I really dont like American customer service. Also, tips are not expected in most of Europe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 02/06/24 8:11:30 PM #95:	ModernPost posted... Servers don't set the prices. That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. <cite>Glob posted [p:978696476] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>ModernPost posted... </cite><quote>Servers don't set the prices.</quote>That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
reincarnator07 02/07/24 8:29:42 AM #96:	EndOfDiscOne posted... If you decide to pay your workers far above the market rate, that's not a real cost of doing business. Great if you can do that, but how many restaurants pay servers a living wage? That doesn't mean they're fundamentally flawed. They're made to function within their current system, which allows and almost requires them to pay little. A system that allows a business to pay their workers so little that they can't afford to live without additional assistance is absolutely fundamentally flawed. The businesses contributing to this system also share the blame --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero <cite>reincarnator07 posted [p:978704328] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>If you decide to pay your workers far above the market rate, that's not a real cost of doing business. Great if you can do that, but how many restaurants pay servers a living wage? That doesn't mean they're fundamentally flawed. They're made to function within their current system, which allows and almost requires them to pay little.</quote>A system that allows a business to pay their workers so little that they can't afford to live without additional assistance is absolutely fundamentally flawed. The businesses contributing to this system also share the blame </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/07/24 8:44:29 AM #97:	reincarnator07 posted... A system that allows a business to pay their workers so little that they can't afford to live without additional assistance is absolutely fundamentally flawed. The businesses contributing to this system also share the blame No one business is going to change the culture. As I said earlier, it would need legislation. You try running a restaurant and telling people not to tip because you pay your employees well, and see how that goes. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:978704477] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>reincarnator07 posted... </cite><quote>A system that allows a business to pay their workers so little that they can't afford to live without additional assistance is absolutely fundamentally flawed. The businesses contributing to this system also share the blame</quote>No one business is going to change the culture. As I said earlier, it would need legislation. You try running a restaurant and telling people not to tip because you pay your employees well, and see how that goes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 02/07/24 8:56:47 AM #98:	--Zero- posted... Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol. If I go out for a meal, I don't want to be processed and out the door in an hour. Lunches and dinners are social occasions and are enjoyed at a leisurely pace. I don't want someone filling my glass all the time either. Do it once if you must, leave the water, and I'll decide if and when to pour myself another. The best service from my point of view is discreet and not intrusive. They are there only when needed, don't interrupt your social experience, and definitely don't give the impression they want you gone so they can seat the next customers. Any of that bullshit, and there definitely won't be a tip. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:978704624] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote>--Zero- posted... </cite><quote>Whats funny is in Europe they expect you to tip also but the wait staff is way worse than American wait staff. Youll be lucky to get out of there in a hour and youll be lucky to get your drink glass filled after the drop off your water or for them to even check on you lol.</quote>If I go out for a meal, I don't want to be processed and out the door in an hour. Lunches and dinners are social occasions and are enjoyed at a leisurely pace.I don't want someone filling my glass all the time either. Do it once if you must, leave the water, and I'll decide if and when to pour myself another.The best service from my point of view is discreet and not intrusive. They are there only when needed, don't interrupt your social experience, and definitely don't give the impression they want you gone so they can seat the next customers. Any of that bullshit, and there definitely won't be a tip. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 02/07/24 10:10:24 AM #100:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Fair point. A waiter with expertise to share is a real positive. I'm just not fond of being constantly asked how things are, having plates cleared the moment I put down my cutlery, having conversations interrupted by someone shoving a dessert menu in my face . . . that kind of thing. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:978705592] in If you can... [t:80689461]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Fair point. A waiter with expertise to share is a real positive.I'm just not fond of being constantly asked how things are, having plates cleared the moment I put down my cutlery, having conversations interrupted by someone shoving a dessert menu in my face . . . that kind of thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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