Current Events > Clarence Kennedy is such an unreal amateur athlete

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• 683 lbs pause back squat
• 429.9 lbs snatch
• 496 lbs clean and jerk
• 507.1 lbs clean
• 749.6 lbs deadlift
• 573.2 lbs front squat
• 242.5 lbs or 253.5 lbs strict press
• 446.4 lbs bench press

Also tricks like a god. Like flips around like a 220lbs ninja. Guy makes no damn sense.

Unrestricted steroid usage I'm betting.

I mean, hes on roids.

Aloc posted...

Unrestricted steroid usage I'm betting.

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

I mean, hes on roids.

Couple of points on this:

• yes, he's definitely on roids
• Roids are not magic. You don't just take more roids than the guy over there taking less roids and then become proportionately stronger than him
• even in the world of roided up athletes, he is unbelievably strong. You can fill an elite gym full of roid users and maybe 1% of them will be close to this strong
• his best weightlifting lifts are less than 5kgs away from the all-time world record totals in weightlifting, and would have easily won gold at the last few olympics. So the best olympic athletes of all time who are also on roids = this guy

He's also vegan, which is pretty wild

pinky0926 posted...

* Roids are not magic. You don't just take more roids than the guy over there taking less roids and then become proportionately stronger than him

Regardless of the whole You gotta put the work in argument, they still increase your potential over someone who doesnt use them.

The_Popo posted...

Regardless of the whole You gotta put the work in argument, they still increase your potential over someone who doesnt use them.

Of course they do, but then the argument becomes "how does this guy stack up next to other people that use steroids".
Put it another way. How many steroid users can do that?

And the answer is that he's toe to toe with the best olympic weightlifters of all time while training casually in a home gym and doing a bunch of irrelevant-to-weightlifting stuff.

It's just insane that he has a 450lb bench when training bench makes you worse at weightlifting movements. I saw him do a 660lb sumo deadlift the very time he tried to do that movement. Guy is a 1 in a billion genetic freak.

(There's always an element of confirmation bias going on with the steroids argument. Ehen you lazer focus in on the top performers you can point to steroid use as a big contributor, but what you never learn about is the vast majority of people who take gear and you'd never know because their physique/strength is completely mediocre.)

pinky0926 posted...

Of course they do, but then the argument becomes "how does this guy stack up next to other people that use steroids".
Put it another way. How many steroid users can do that?

And the answer is that he's toe to toe with the best olympic weightlifters of all time while training casually in a home gym and doing a bunch of irrelevant-to-weightlifting stuff.

It's just insane that he has a 450lb bench when training bench makes you worse at weightlifting movements. I saw him do a 660lb sumo deadlift the very time he tried to do that movement. Guy is a 1 in a billion genetic freak.

(There's always an element of confirmation bias going on with the steroids argument. Ehen you lazer focus in on the top performers you can point to steroid use as a big contributor, but what you never learn about is the vast majority of people who take gear and you'd never know because their physique/strength is completely mediocre.)

Are you in love with this person?

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Are you in love with this person?

Nah but I do get a bit annoyed at the "but roids" argument. Says more about the spaces online I spend time in than anything else tbh

pinky0926 posted...

Nah but I do get a bit annoyed at the "but roids" argument. Says more about the spaces online I spend time in than anything else tbh

It's because taking steroids automatically puts somone on another level. Even if he is comparatively strong, a significant part of being ability to lift such astounding weights is chemical. Saying that they lift X% more than the guy below him wouldn't sound nearly as impressive as the stats you listed.

GeraldDarko posted...

It's because taking steroids automatically puts somone on another level. Even if he is comparatively strong, a significant part of being ability to lift such astounding weights is chemical. Saying that they lift X% more than the guy below him wouldn't sound nearly as impressive as the stats you listed.

The guy has a 430lbs snatch and the all time world record in his weight class (in a sport where doping is a foregone conclusion) is 420lbs. The record in the weightclass above is 440lbs.

That's the thing about weightlifting (the sport). Taking steroids doesn't put you in a class above. It puts you on an even playing field.

Imagine if there was a self trained sprinter who didn't compete who ran 100metres in his backyard in 9.53s, that's the level we're at here

pinky0926 posted...

Guy is a 1 in a billion genetic freak.

Bro you are overstating how much of a freak he is.

I doubt any pro athlete is 1 in a billion as far as genetic freaks goes.

Not Messi. Not Lebron. Not whoever.

Aloc posted...

Bro you are overstating how much of a freak he is.

I doubt any pro athlete is 1 in a billion as far as genetic freaks goes.

Not Messi. Not Lebron. Not whoever.

Is it that wild to say that Messi or lebron is a 1 in a billion freak on a plannet with 8 billion people on it?

Fine. 1 in 300 million or whatever, seems like a fairly arbitrary argument to be making

pinky0926 posted...

That's the thing about weightlifting (the sport). Taking steroids doesn't put you in a class above. It puts you on an even playing field.

Right. That's my point. A fair portion of that is the steroids, while his strength compared to he lifts about 3% more than the guy below him.

GeraldDarko posted...

Right. That's my point. A fair portion of that is the steroids, while his strength compared to he lifts about 3% more than the guy below him.

Not sure I'm understanding you here, sorry. I think it's a foregone conclusion that steroids make you a lot stronger. What isn't true is the idea that anyone can get that strong if they just take more steroids.

My argument is that he is an unbelievable athlete because when you compare him to other athletes who are also on steroids he still is in the top maybe 5 in the world, and the only one of those that is an amateur.

pinky0926 posted...

Not sure I'm understanding you here, sorry. I think it's a foregone conclusion that steroids make you a lot stronger. What isn't true is the idea that anyone can get that strong if they just take more steroids.

My argument is that he is an unbelievable athlete because when you compare him to other athletes who are also on steroids he still is in the top maybe 5 in the world, and the only one of those that is an amateur.

If you had posted his comparative stats, like 3% more, it wouldn't have sounded nearly as cool as 430 lbs. You need roids to get up to the impressive raw stats that sound super human -- because they kinda are.

GeraldDarko posted...

If you had posted his comparative stats, like 3% more, it wouldn't have sounded nearly as cool as 430 lbs. You need roids to get up to the impressive raw stats that sound super human -- because they kinda are.

3% is a colossal difference in competitive sport, yeah. You put the best sprinters in the world on a 100m running track and the difference between 1st place and 6th will be 2%.

The question isn't "are steroids an advantage". The question is "once everyone is on steroids, what are the other advantages"

Anyway putting that aside. 430lbs is 430lbs. Most grown men can't even deadlift that. And he's whipping that over his head. Even if you go into a good crosssfit gym the strongest guy there might snatch 260lbs, and he'll probably be on PEDs too. 430lbs is just something else.

pinky0926 posted...

3% is a colossal difference in competitive sport, yeah. You put the best sprinters in the world on a 100m running track and the difference between 1st place and 6th will be 1.5%.

The question isn't "are steroids an advantage". The question is "once everyone is on steroids, what are the other advantages"

I get that, but it seems strange to need a chemical to compete. Anyone would be significantly stronger if they took roids, so a portion of those stats isn't really all that impressive, in my eyes.

GeraldDarko posted...

I get that, but it seems strange to need a chemical to compete. Anyone would be significantly stronger if they took roids, so a portion of those stats isn't really all that impressive, in my eyes.

Ah ok,that's more of a difference in philosophy to me.

I say that since we can safely say that every significant weightlifting record since the 1980s involved PEDs (because otherwise, we're somehow suggesting that there are humans so strong that they can overcome the difference steroids makes, which might be as much as 20-30%), then we kind of just have to factor that in when assessing the most impressive humans.

In short, if you use steroids to cheat over someone not using steroids that's not impressive (and immoral to boot). But if you and all your rivals are on PEDs and you win, you are the most impressive one.

pinky0926 posted...

Ah ok,that's more of a difference in philosophy to me.

I say that since we can safely say that every significant weightlifting record since the 1980s involved PEDs (because otherwise, we're somehow suggesting that there are humans so strong that they can overcome the difference steroids makes, which might be as much as 20-30%), then we kind of just have to factor that in when assessing the most impressive humans.

In short, if you use steroids to cheat over someone not using steroids that's not impressive (and immoral to boot). But if you and all your rivals are on PEDs and you win, you are the most impressive one.

Oh, yeah. I'm not deny the accomplishment. Even if I started banging roids and training, I'd get smoked.