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Cemith
02/03/24 4:16:30 PM
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Trumble posted...
Until he actually takes meaningful steps towards ending it, he's no more likely to end it than Trump.

But he is more likely to prevent LGBT erasure and the right to vote being removed.

Hope this helps.

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 4:16:53 PM
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Trumble posted...
Until he actually takes meaningful steps towards ending it, he's no more likely to end it than Trump.
Well I'm sure not voting and giving the country to that very Trump will definitely end it then!

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 4:18:04 PM
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Trumble posted...
Anyone who will vote for Biden in 2024 cares about no one and is content with all Palestinians being eradicated. That's facts, and unlike your claim, is based on what the person being voted for supports, not what on another person who isn't being voted for either supports.
You just can't handle me being right about everything.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:18:05 PM
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Cemith posted...
But he is more likely to prevent LGBT erasure and the right to vote being removed.

Hope this helps.
We also know for sure he will support genocide, as he is already actively doing so and shows no signs of willingness to change on this issue.

So maybe don't fucking vote for either?

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Hornezz
02/03/24 4:18:25 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
How the fuck does anyone need any other motivation to vote for the less harmful option?
Early polls suggest Trump has a realistic chance of winning, so apparently plenty of voters can use the motivation. You can argue "they shouldn't" as much as you want, but they do.

If you're convinced that Biden can still win without having to appeal to a majority of his own voter base, then why even worry? He's got this in the bag, right? Voters don't need to be convinced, right?

Well I disagree, and so do many polls. Most of the reactions here are just "but what if Trump wins" without anyone acknowledging that it's Biden making this gamble by not listening to his voters.

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SaikyoStyle
02/03/24 4:18:35 PM
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Not voting for either doesnt end the genocide. It worsens it.

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bfslick50
02/03/24 4:18:56 PM
#306:


Trumble posted...
Until he actually takes meaningful steps towards ending it, he's no more likely to end it than Trump.

Trump would be saying they're going too easy on the Palestinians. Trump will never give any humanitarian aid to a Palestinian. Trump will make the situation even worse, raise the death toll even higher.

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 4:19:31 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Well I'm sure not voting and giving the country to that very Trump will definitely end it then!
Even if they believe that Trump and Biden have the exact same opinions on Israel (which i dont even think is true) there is still the fact that Trump will absolutely gut the rights of so many people in the US.

Pretending not to see that is dishonest at best

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:21:37 PM
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Pretending that anyone opposing Biden on this, supports Trump, is dishonest at best. Find me one example where someone here opposed to Biden on the grounds of his stance on Israel and Palestine has said you should vote for Trump instead.

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lderivedx
02/03/24 4:21:44 PM
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It's actually not a binary choice. It's very simple to see that it's not a binary choice.

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SaikyoStyle
02/03/24 4:23:22 PM
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Who cares if the genocide worsens? I get to maintain my pretense of moral superiority. And thats what really matters.

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bfslick50
02/03/24 4:23:32 PM
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Trumble posted...
Pretending that anyone opposing Biden on this, supports Trump, is dishonest at best. Find me one example where someone here opposed to Biden on the grounds of his stance on Israel and Palestine has said you should vote for Trump instead.

It's also dishonest to say Biden and Trump are equivalent on this issue. If Trump was president there'd be quotes of him saying "Isreal should unleash fire and brimstone." It would be so much worse if Trump was in office.

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ItsNotA2Mer
02/03/24 4:25:21 PM
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Trumble posted...
Anyone who will vote for Biden in 2024 cares about no one

Ricemills had it covered, but you pushed and elbowed your way to the top of the shitposting heap for this? This is what you've got?
Flew a little too close to the sun there champ.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:26:17 PM
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And what better way than by telling them "if you continue to support Israel, you will not get the votes you need"?

By voting for him anyway, the message you're sending is "you can do whatever you like as long as it's not as bad as your closest competitor".

I'd be willing to guess many of you have argued (and this argument is fair in and of itself) that those who vote Republican on economic grounds are still guilty of supporting their racist and sexist stances. How is this any different? You're voting for a candidate supporting a literal genocide. Even if you're voting for them for other reasons, you're still supporting a candidate who supports genocide.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:27:26 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
It's also dishonest to say Biden and Trump are equivalent on this issue. If Trump was president there'd be quotes of him saying "Isreal should unleash fire and brimstone." It would be so much worse if Trump was in office.
I didn't say they're equivalent. I said neither one is going to make meaningful efforts to end it. And again, you do not have to support either of them.

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 4:28:11 PM
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lderivedx posted...
Okay so what are the people in power going to do about those who want to eradicate LGBT people? Continue to treat them like coworkers?
"Hey LGBTQ people, wouldn't you rather be exterminated than have rights, but the party who lets you have them won't eradicate bigotry from America?"

I've lost track of how many posters I've said this to, but you're not revealing some unknown truth by telling me that Democrats only really care about our votes. I'm well aware, but rights are a better place to work from than no rights. How many years will LGBTQ people have to subject themselves to endless suffering until we are sufficiently satisfied that Democrats want to help us purely out of the goodness of their own hearts? And will there be elections left and any people left to vote in them by then?

People have never voluntarily given up their civil rights in hopes that they will gain more down the road. That's just suicidal.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:29:29 PM
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You should just be honest about that you're perfectly okay with voting for genocide. Just as long as one other option that you didn't vote for was even more genocide.

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lderivedx
02/03/24 4:30:12 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
"Hey LGBTQ people, wouldn't you rather be exterminated than have rights, but the party who lets you have them won't eradicate bigotry from America?"

I've lost track of how many posters I've said this to, but you're not revealing some unknown truth by telling me that Democrats only really care about our votes. I'm well aware, but rights are a better place to work from than no rights. How many years will LGBTQ people have to subject themselves to endless suffering until we are sufficiently satisfied that Democrats want to help us purely out of the goodness of their own hearts? And will there be elections left and any people left to vote in them by then?

People have never voluntarily given up their civil rights in hopes that they will gain more down the road. That's just suicidal.

Can you answer my question or are you going to deflect again?

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 4:30:18 PM
#322:


Trumble posted...
Pretending that anyone opposing Biden on this, supports Trump, is dishonest at best. Find me one example where someone here opposed to Biden on the grounds of his stance on Israel and Palestine has said you should vote for Trump instead.
Not voting for Biden is a soft support of Trump. Trump is by ALL MEANS worse for not just America, not just Palestine, but for global and domestic politics as a whole.

You would rather see the world burn than vote for someone who isnt perfect, but is better than the opposition in every way.

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JasonSehorn
02/03/24 4:31:04 PM
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you guys are falling for the troll bait so easy dont feed the trolls they die off
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DrizztLink
02/03/24 4:31:44 PM
#324:


Trumble posted...
You should just be honest about that you're perfectly okay with voting for genocide. Just as long as one other option that you didn't vote for was even more genocide.
Groovy, as long as you be honest that you're just fine watching one genocide continue and another one start.

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 4:32:24 PM
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Trumble posted...
You should just be honest about that you're perfectly okay with voting for genocide. Just as long as one other option that you didn't vote for was even more genocide.
You get 2 choices.

One will continue supporting Israel, but has potential for growth and is otherwise a solid president.

The other choice WILL make the genocide and America far worse.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT TRY TO AT LEAST MITIGATE IT

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:32:50 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Not voting for Biden is a soft support of Trump. Trump is by ALL MEANS worse for not just America, not just Palestine, but for global and domestic politics as a whole.

You would rather see the world burn than vote for someone who isnt perfect, but is better than the opposition in every way.
Let me try to explain this in a way even you can understand.

When you vote - which you do not have to do at all - you get to pick from several choices. Not just two. You can even write in your own. Or again, you can just not vote. You are not forced to pick between "some genocide" and "lots of genocide". So if you do pick one of those options, you are actively supporting it.

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 4:32:51 PM
#328:


Hornezz posted...
Early polls suggest Trump has a realistic chance of winning, so apparently plenty of voters can use the motivation. You can argue "they shouldn't" as much as you want, but they do.

If you're convinced that Biden can still win without having to appeal to a majority of his own voter base, then why even worry? He's got this in the bag, right? Voters don't need to be convinced, right?

Well I disagree, and so do many polls. Most of the reactions here are just "but what if Trump wins" without anyone acknowledging that it's Biden making this gamble by not listening to his voters.
Apparently we're just doomed then. if the GOP is literally holding a gun to our heads, ready to fire if they win, and we're like "But what is the other side giving me? Not being shot in the head? Wow that's a real positive message! They want to bank on us preferring not being shot in the head and we need to show them they can't skate by anymore!"

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Cemith
02/03/24 4:33:03 PM
#329:


Trumble posted...
We also know for sure he will support genocide, as he is already actively doing so and shows no signs of willingness to change on this issue.

So maybe don't fucking vote for either?

I mean, again, one scenario I get to keep my voting rights, the other one I don't.

It's really quite simple.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:33:36 PM
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The insult is more the fact that you still want to vote for some genocide when you could choose to not vote for any genocide.

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 4:34:04 PM
#331:


Trumble posted...
Let me try to explain this in a way even you can understand.

When you vote - which you do not have to do at all - you get to pick from several choices. Not just two. You can even write in your own. Or again, you can just not vote. You are not forced to pick between "some genocide" and "lots of genocide". So if you do pick one of those options, you are actively supporting it.
Those options can't win, so in the real fucking world, you have two options. Palestinians die or everyone dies. Shut up and make the moral choice.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:34:47 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
You get 2 choices.

One will continue supporting Israel, but has potential for growth and is otherwise a solid president.

The other choice WILL make the genocide and America far worse.

WHY WOULD YOU NOT TRY TO AT LEAST MITIGATE IT
"Oh well he's doing good on everything else, he can have a little bit of genocide as a treat"

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 4:34:50 PM
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Trumble posted...
Let me try to explain this in a way even you can understand.

When you vote - which you do not have to do at all - you get to pick from several choices. Not just two. You can even write in your own. Or again, you can just not vote. You are not forced to pick between "some genocide" and "lots of genocide". So if you do pick one of those options, you are actively supporting it.
Thats not how this works in reality. Biden or Trump are the only people who will win the election. You not voting to stop Trump MEANS YOU ARE SUPPORTING LOTS OF GENOCIDE

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CountCorvinus
02/03/24 4:35:46 PM
#334:


Antifar posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b1b2ce2a.jpg

Deja Vu

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80681439/978522035

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:35:51 PM
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Thats not how this works in reality. Biden or Trump are the only people who will win the election. You not voting to stop Trump MEANS YOU ARE SUPPORTING LOTS OF GENOCIDE
No, a refusal to support either bad option does not equal support for the one you like less.

In fact, what you're doing here is not unlike what Israel themself are doing, except on the point of support vs actively carrying it out. Israel are carrying out one genocide under the pretense of wanting to prevent another. You are supporting a genocidal candidate under the pretense of wanting to stop another. If you really found genocide as objectionable as any reasonable person would, you would not be able to vote for either Trump or Biden.

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 4:36:11 PM
#336:


Trumble posted...
"Oh well he's doing good on everything else, he can have a little bit of genocide as a treat"
Yes i think most rational people would vote for the better choice where neither is perfect, and one is vastly vastly worse.


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1337toothbrush
02/03/24 4:36:35 PM
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This topic is proof that democrats have to do nothing as long as they can help fascists be the republican candidate like how hillary's team did everything they could to have trump be the republican candidate in 2016.

hockeybabe89 posted...
Those options can't win, so in the real fucking world, you have two options. Palestinians die or everyone dies. Shut up and make the moral choice.
Just so you know, you're not making your case stronger by dramatically declaring that everyone will die if biden doesn't win.

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DrizztLink
02/03/24 4:37:41 PM
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Trumble posted...
The insult is more the fact that you still want to vote for some genocide when you could choose to not vote for any genocide.
And watch at least two happen.

You're so brave and compassionate.

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hockeybabe89
02/03/24 4:38:35 PM
#340:


Trumble posted...
The insult is more the fact that you still want to vote for some genocide when you could choose to not vote for any genocide.
Which third party candidate has been vocally against any Israel support and can realistically drum up unified support from the majority of American voters. I can't believe you are an adult living in America and you actually think the only thing holding back our country is regular people not believing hard enough. You actually think most people will go "Yup I don't believe in the two-party system anymore" and America will just rewrite law 9 months before a Presidential election.

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lderivedx
02/03/24 4:39:13 PM
#341:


DrizztLink posted...
And watch at least two happen.

You're so brave and compassionate.

People acting like they have the moral high ground while arguing one should vote for genocide is just sad.

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:39:48 PM
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You've made it clear you support Biden. Biden supports the Palestinian genocide. It's not trolling to connect the dots.

It's no different to how you can connect the dots when people are willing to vote Republican for reasons not related to their views on social issues. They're still voting for the Republican stance on those issues if they vote Republican. Likewise, you are still voting for support of the Palestinian genocide if you vote for Biden, even if that's not your main reason for voting for him.

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Cemith
02/03/24 4:40:20 PM
#344:


1337toothbrush posted...
Just so you know, you're not making your case stronger by dramatically declaring that everyone will die if biden doesn't win.

Hockey made an inference based on available information. I would hardly call her "dramatic".

Maybe if GOPpers haven't already made it their life's work to demonize anyone that isn't white you could make a case for that stance, but you can't. Because they have.

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ssb_yunglink2
02/03/24 4:40:22 PM
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If Trump wins and everything goes to shit, im really curious how people refusing to vote out of principle will feel

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Trumble
02/03/24 4:40:27 PM
#346:


hockeybabe89 posted...
You actually think most people will go "Yup I don't believe in the two-party system anymore" and America will just rewrite law 9 months before a Presidential election.
What law needs to be changed in order to allow people to not vote for either genocide supporter?

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bfslick50
02/03/24 4:40:36 PM
#347:


Trumble posted...
I didn't say they're equivalent. I said neither one is going to make meaningful efforts to end it. And again, you do not have to support either of them.

You should support the better option and strive to always make that better option even better. Not supporting either is treating them as equivalent.

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bfslick50
02/03/24 4:41:26 PM
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Trumble posted...
What law needs to be changed in order to allow people to not vote for either genocide supporter?

Rank choice voting

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