Current Events > Do you consider Spider-Verse to be apart of the MCU?

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I only ask because this guy on Reddit says that is a Sony product that has no affiliation with Marvel Studios.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4f73bdd2.jpg

He's right.

Isn't the term for this halfworlds or something like that?

A is canon in B's universe.
B is not canon in A's universe.

I think that's the case here. The MCU is canon to Sony, by way of being in another universe, but the MCU doesn't acknowledge Sony as existing in any reality.

It's part of the MCU's multiverse, but not part of the MCU itself.

It's not.

No.

They reference No Way Home and Prowler exists in the MCU so I'd say yes.

SuperShake666 posted...

They reference No Way Home and Prowler exists in the MCU so I'd say yes.

Prowler doesn't exist in the MCU, though. Aaron does but that's not the same thing.

Vulture was in Morbius but do you really think Feige considers that part of the MCU?

Miguel literally refers to the events of No Way Home. But also......there is only 1 single Marvel Multiverse. Everything is all tied together. The comics are in the same multiverse as the mcu, and in every marvel TV show and movie whether it had an mcu designation or not. Also all video games. The playstation Spider-Man games exist amongst all this too. There was a comic where the main true one and only original Spider-Man of comic universe 616, met the Spider-Man of playstation insomniac games

Its all connected

It's not part of the main MCU universe, but it's part of the multiverse like every other Marvel movie.

He says that canon events dont exist in the MCU and disregards Strange Supreme's episode about his canon event.

No. For one thing, the Spider-verse's variants glitching when outside of their own universe doesn't happen in the MCU multiverse.

Sure Sony made references but that's quite easy to do without any sort of commitment when you're dealing with a multiverse.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

He says that canon events dont exist in the MCU and disregards Strange Supreme's episode about his canon event.

Who says that Feigie? It doesn't matter what he says. The head people at Marvel itself say everything is connected. Maybe in some universes, they are canon event immune. I suppose that could be an explanation.

Hornezz posted...

No. For one thing, the Spider-verse's variants glitching when outside of their own universe doesn't happen in the MCU multiverse.

Sure Sony made references but that's quite easy to do without any sort of commitment when you're dealing with a multiverse.

Maybe there are various neighborhoods of the multiverse that have different rules. All the universes we see in the Spider-Verse movies are maybe all in a regional corner of the multiverse and share rules about glitches. And then the mcu movies are in a whole other region of the multiverse where glitches aren't a thing

Technically no, but only because the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a universe, not a multiverse (the Marvel Multiverse has been long established to contain the Spider-Verse universes, the MCU, the comics, the cartoons, the video games, etc.). As such, I don't consider Loki, What If?, and most of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness to be part of the MCU, because they clearly aren't in that universe.

Hornezz posted...

No. For one thing, the Spider-verse's variants glitching when outside of their own universe doesn't happen in the MCU multiverse.

I always associated that with the method of travel. Like a flawed version of Kangs.

Zikten posted...

Who says that Feigie? It doesn't matter what he says. The head people at Marvel itself say everything is connected. Maybe in some universes, they are canon event immune. I suppose that could be an explanation.

I know it doesnt matter what he says. I was curious to other peoples opinions on the subject.

He's right. It was a fun cameo, because Donald Glover appears in Spider-Man: Homecoming as a man named Aaron, that's trying to get tech that's related to what the Prowler uses, and he has a nephew (Miles).

But that's all it was, a fun cameo. It doesn't mean that the Spider-Verse movies are part of the MCU. It's just the Spider-Verse movies acknowledging that Donald Glover might end up being the Prowler in the MCU.

Im confused by the focus on the Prowler.

Both NWH and Across show that Garfield, McGuire and Venom are separate universes in both. Therefore they're all related.

NoxObscuras posted...

He's right. It was a fun cameo, because Donald Glover appears in Spider-Man: Homecoming as a man named Aaron, that's trying to get tech that's related to what the Prowler uses, and he has a nephew (Miles).

But that's all it was, a fun cameo. It doesn't mean that the Spider-Verse movies are part of the MCU. It's just the Spider-Verse movies acknowledging that Donald Glover might end up being the Prowler in the MCU.

So you just ignore Miguels direct reference to the events of NWH or his model of the Sacred Timeline? What about the three live action Spider-Men shown?

SpawnShadow posted...

As such, I don't consider Loki, What If?, and most of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness to be part of the MCU, because they clearly aren't in that universe.

I dont understand how one can come to this conclusion. Especially since this book states that they are in the same universe, but you dont need the book to know this.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/42abb025.jpg

ViewtifulGrave posted...

So you just ignore Miguels direct reference to the events of NWH or his model of the Sacred Timeline? What about the three live action Spider-Men shown?

No, I'm not ignoring anything. There were tons of Cameos and easter eggs in Across the Spider-Verse, but your topic was about Donald Glover, so I focused on that. Doesn't change what everyone is saying though. They're fun Cameos, but don't hold your breath on seeing anything from Spider-Verse in the MCU. Disney has been pretty adamant on calling everything else "not canon"

Zikten posted...

Maybe there are various neighborhoods of the multiverse that have different rules. All the universes we see in the Spider-Verse movies are maybe all in a regional corner of the multiverse and share rules about glitches. And then the mcu movies are in a whole other region of the multiverse where glitches aren't a thing

Perhaps. But until something like that is ever established or even hinted at in the movies, there's really no reason to assume it's true.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

I always associated that with the method of travel. Like a flawed version of Kangs.

Same answer as above really. So far we've seen like 5 or 6 or so different methods of multiversal travel in the MCU and none of them featured glitching like in Spider-verse.

ViewtifulGrave posted...

I dont understand how one can come to this conclusion. Especially since this book states that they are in the same universe, but you dont need the book to know this.

Loki is primarily set within the TVA's headquarters, which explicitly exists outside of the "Sacred Timeline" (the MCU), and deals with alternate timelines that branch off from the Sacred Timeline. The Loki variant we follow throughout isn't the Loki of the MCU, who died in Infinity War, but one who diverged from that history during the events of The Avengers (as shown in Endgame and the start of his series).

What If? is all about timelines that branched off from the MCU at various points. None of them are the MCU itself.

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness starts and ends in the MCU, but Stephen Strange, America Chavez, and Wanda Maximoff all cross universes throughout most of the movie.

The various alternate universes on display in those works (as well as those shown in the Spider-Verse movies, the Venom/Morbius universe, the other Spider-Man movie universes that the villains and other Spideys came from in No Way Home, etc.) are not themselves the MCU, but they have ties to the MCU, and they all share the Marvel Multiverse.

I dont know, but Spiderverse is better than anything Disney is doing right now.

FortuneCookie posted...

Isn't the term for this halfworlds or something like that?

A is canon in B's universe.
B is not canon in A's universe.

I think that's the case here. The MCU is canon to Sony, by way of being in another universe, but the MCU doesn't acknowledge Sony as existing in any reality.

Yeah I think it's this. There's some multiverse rules in Spider-Verse that aren't in the MCU, as well.

NoxObscuras posted...

No, I'm not ignoring anything. There were tons of Cameos and easter eggs in Across the Spider-Verse, but your topic was about Donald Glover, so I focused on that. Doesn't change what everyone is saying though. They're fun Cameos, but don't hold your breath on seeing anything from Spider-Verse in the MCU. Disney has been pretty adamant on calling everything else "not canon"

My topic isnt about Donald Glover. Sure I mentioned him, but he isnt the sole focus of the topic.

SpawnShadow posted...

Loki is primarily set within the TVA's headquarters, which explicitly exists outside of the "Sacred Timeline" (the MCU), and deals with alternate timelines that branch off from the Sacred Timeline. The Loki variant we follow throughout isn't the Loki of the MCU, who died in Infinity War, but one who diverged from that history during the events of The Avengers (as shown in Endgame and the start of his series).

What If? is all about timelines that branched off from the MCU at various points. None of them are the MCU itself.

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness starts and ends in the MCU, but Stephen Strange, America Chavez, and Wanda Maximoff all cross universes throughout most of the movie.

The various alternate universes on display in those works (as well as those shown in the Spider-Verse movies, the Venom/Morbius universe, the other Spider-Man movie universes that the villains and other Spideys came from in No Way Home, etc.) are not themselves the MCU, but they have ties to the MCU, and they all share the Marvel Multiverse.

Thats just semantics at its finest.

Kevin Feige says that those products are in the MCU.

i mean since they opened up the multiverse technically anything can be part of the MCU .

SpawnShadow posted...

Loki is primarily set within the TVA's headquarters, which explicitly exists outside of the "Sacred Timeline" (the MCU), and deals with alternate timelines that branch off from the Sacred Timeline. The Loki variant we follow throughout isn't the Loki of the MCU, who died in Infinity War, but one who diverged from that history during the events of The Avengers (as shown in Endgame and the start of his series).

Breaking news: show Kevin Feige said is in the MCU is not, in fact, in the MCU

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Kevin Feige says that those products are in the MCU.

MCU is a brand. There is the main MCU continuity and its branching timelines, all with their own Earth designations.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

MCU's multiverse

Shouldn't it be MCM?

Anyway it's safe to say they're not in the same cinematic universe, but they both are in the Marvel Universe

I don't understand why people are so insistent on calling everything "part of the MCU." The MCU is everything that's part of the production. It's a series of movies, show, shorts, ect that not only tie in to each other, but require a final stamp of approval from the executive producers, having their creative direction guided and governed by certain rules. That's it. It doesn't mean nothing else can be connected. It doesn't mean anything else is worthless or noncanon. It doesn't make a title automatically "better" or even more important. The term "MCU" purely refers to this production of titles. No Way Home is an MCU title, but the Tobey Maguire Spider-Man movies were more important to it than fellow MCU title Civil War was. The Netflix series and Agents of Shield are straight up derived from Avengers and take place in the world created for it. Versions of the characters from these series later end up in proper MCU titles, and AOS straight up uses actors already in the movies, but neither considered to truly be in the MCU. That's why on Disney+ these shows are deliberately left out when viewing MCU, the same as the old Spider-Man movies.

That doesn't mean that they're bad, doesn't mean they're lesser, doesn't mean they're pointless. The MCU isn't higher. Other franchises can connect to the MCU, and even be more important in some cases. Deadpool 3 will be in the MCU, the first two films will be important backstory and relevant buildup to his character, but they're not becoming part of the MCU. Because again, a title is only part of the MCU if it was overseen by the same production team.

I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp. Why have morons insisted "Fant4stic is MCU" and other such drivel ever since J Jonah Jameson was in Far From Home? Why do people feel the need to redefine the term that has a specific meaning and function to scope so broad that it's worthless? Are they just butthurt Xmen fans? The movies you like aren't made better or worse due to inclusion in, nor exclusion from the MCU. "MCU" isn't a certification that has any bearing on value.

mazingetter posted...

MCU is a brand. There is the main MCU continuity and its branching timelines, all with their own Earth designations.

Marvel just released a book documenting the timeline. Loki, What if?, and MoM are all apart of the main MCU. What are you even arguing?

ViewtifulGrave posted...

Marvel just released a book documenting the timeline. Loki, What if?, and MoM are all apart of the main MCU. What are you even arguing?

Feige sees the MCU as a franchise, so he groups all the MCU timelines together. Marvel officially considers those timelines separate universes.

Spider-Verse is specifically about all of the different Spider-man mediums out there. They can all be used and referenced. Even the video games, comic books etc. So yeah they're gonna reference MCU.

When it comes to the MCU I don't think they'll reference anything from Spider-Verse. When they draw from other stuff it's typically other live action movies they have the rights to.

When it comes to the actual writing and production I don't think there's any real crossover between them.