Current Events > Biden-Harris campaign manager says Florida is important to their 2024 strategy.

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I sincerely hope this is some kind of ploy to make the GOP waste more money on a red state like Florida because Democrats have little chance winning there now.

Humble_Novice posted...

I sincerely hope this is some kind of ploy to make the GOP waste more money on a red state like Florida because Democrats have little chance winning there now.

That, or as someone else pointed out, you always say every state is important regardless of how you actually campaign

VGAddict90 posted...

https://twitter.com/PhillipJerez/status/1722743791822504424

Theyre focusing on Florida instead of Texas, which voted to the left of Florida in 2022? Even Miami-Dade County went red in 2022.
THIS is the problem: Democratic Party leadership has no fucking idea what theyre doing.

Lol as a Texas Democrat they should definitely be focusing on Florida over Texas. Like I cant even fathom what point you think youre trying to make.

Democrats havent won this place in 30 years.

divot1338 posted...

Lol as a Texas Democrat they should definitely be focusing on Florida over Texas. Like I cant even fathom what point you think youre trying to make.

Democrats havent won this place in 30 years.

The dream of flipping Texas is the final nail in the coffin for the electoral college. Republicans have a better shot with the popular vote than they do at EC without Texas.

bfslick50 posted...

That, or as someone else pointed out, you always say every state is important regardless of how you actually campaign

That's probably it. One decent thing about established politicians is that they *should* have decently run campaigns. Biden's analytics people obviously know that Florida is the only state where he did relatively poorly in 2020, so time and resources are much better spent elsewhere. Florida is a lot cause for 2024 with both Trump and DeSantis poisoning the waters there. But *every* state is important when politicians and campaigns are asked about it in public.

For me, the question is whether Florida can be competitive again in 2028. I'm hoping the Florida Republican rot will have somewhat receded by then.

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Now thats a Freudian slip

Dark_Arbron posted...

I didn't know either of these facts, but what the hell changed? Everyone says it's a solid red stronghold, so how the hell did those two perform so well?

Because it only recently became a red stronghold. Florida used to be known as a solid purple state, almost 50-50.

After Trump and Covid, Florida went full MAGA. I live here and youd be amazed how many people love DeSantis because hes owning the libs.

divot1338 posted...

Lol as a Texas Democrat they should definitely be focusing on Florida over Texas. Like I cant even fathom what point you think youre trying to make.

Democrats havent won this place in 30 years.

Texas and Florida have been trending in opposite directions. Texas has gotten bluer, while Florida has gotten redder.

Desantis winning 2022 is not evidence of anything. His opponent was not just a random Republican turned Democrat, he was Charlie Crist, literally former Republican governor of Florida. Desantis winning by only 60% under those circumstances just shows there's a chance it could flip.

Democrats keep begging for the L but Trump's got a death grip on it.

divot1338 posted...

Lol as a Texas Democrat they should definitely be focusing on Florida over Texas. Like I cant even fathom what point you think youre trying to make.

Democrats havent won this place in 30 years.

Because Trump barely wins it. Yeah it's like 6%, but even in 2016 that was only like 2.6m or so people. Meanwhile, iirc the numbers, there was about 10m people across the state of eligible voting age who just didn't vote. We had the 3rd worst voting participation that year. TX could flip if they could figure out how to just get 3m more people to vote Dem.

Criminal Ken Paxton also literally bragged that Trump only won the state in 2020 because he directly interfered with elections in Harris County.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Brian Kemp was elected with 53% and Warnock was elected with 51% elections can be weird sometimes.

That's not weird at all, Georgia just really hates Trump. So they voted against the pro-Trump Republicans like that moron Herschel Walker but for anti-Trump Republicans like Kemp.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The reason DeSantis won so hard is because the Democratic candidate was a former Republican. When you run that kind of person the Democrats won't vote because they're probably conservative in nearly every way except maga, and the Republicans won't vote for him because he's a Democrat. They need to run a serious career leftist in order to motivate voters.

DeSantis got 500k more votes than he originally won with, so even if you added all the people who voted in 2018 but boycotted in 2022 to Crist's vote the Dems still lose.

But even if the theory was accurate, that doesn't help Biden. He has no chance in hell of motivating any significant amount of additional voters beyond the ones who already supported him in 2020.

bfslick50 posted...

DeSantis was reelected with 60% of the vote

And his presidential campaign is being crushed right now.

Sure, maybe FL isn't in reach but its not crazy to go after it right now.

bfslick50 posted...

That, or as someone else pointed out, you always say every state is important regardless of how you actually campaign

It's this. Just because they see a potential opportunity in FL doesn't mean they are ignoring every other state. Stop being silly. They should be going after both TX and FL.

The thing is places like Florida became Havens for folks who came from places like New York specifically because of the coronavirus lockdowns and hispanics in Florida are still high on red scare fumes. The amount of assuaging and hard work it takes to get Florida can't be understated. I don't think there's even a slim chance.

I wouldn't be surprised if this statement from the campaign manager was just to save face to avoid saying "Yeah no we gave up on Florida, there is no hope in Florida."

Shadow_Don posted...

And his presidential campaign is being crushed right now.

Sure, maybe FL isn't in reach but its not crazy to go after it right now.

Crushed by who? Florida overwhelming wanting Trump over DeSantis cannot be spun into a positive for Dems in that state.

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bfslick50 posted...

Crushed by who? Florida overwhelming wanting Trump over DeSantis cannot be spun into a positive for Dems in that state.

Yes it can. Are DeSantis supporters going to vote for Biden? No. Will some of them stay home? Yes.

In fact, any red state that doesnt primary for Trump are the ones Biden should work at flipping

I'm sorry but are you under the impression that the Biden campaign is only running a campaign in FL?

Shadow_Don posted...

Yes it can. Are DeSantis supporters going to vote for Biden? No. Will some of them stay home? Yes.

No shit, hence me saying the states most likely to flip being the ones Trump loses. You saying DeSantis is getting crushed there is at odds with your dream of a large number of DeSantis voters existing to stay home.

Shadow_Don posted...

Yes it can. Are DeSantis supporters going to vote for Biden? No. Will some of them stay home? Yes.

Not any significant amount. Trump got more votes in FL than DeSantis to begin with.

bfslick50 posted...

In fact, any red state that doesnt primary for Trump are the ones Biden should work at flipping

How many of these states do you think there will be?

Antifar posted...

How many of these states do you think there will be?

Not many, but there are some showing better signs than fucking Florida. If Republicans in Ohio try and undo the ballot initiative that could piss off enough people to get Biden to win that state. North Carolina shows signs becoming a swing state. Texas turning blue is the dream.

untrustful posted...

I wouldn't be surprised if this statement from the campaign manager was just to save face to avoid saying "Yeah no we gave up on Florida, there is no hope in Florida."

Hopefully. There are far more important places to focus on.

People ITT forgetting about the 50 State Strategy

Conceding certain states as unwinnable only allows the opposing party to grow stronger there.

Even if Biden loses Florida, focus on the state can trickle down to downballot races. The Florida Democratic Party is also in shambles and needs to be rebuilt.

Also Dems need better Hispanic outreach and they should probably start with the communities in Florida they've been neglecting.

Doom_Art posted...

Also Dems need better Hispanic outreach and they should probably start with the communities in Florida they've been neglecting.

Problem is I don't think Biden did poorly among hispanics in Nevada and California against Bernie for the same reason he did worse than Dems usually do among hispanics in Florida against Trump.

It's not a monolith, and even Biden's said himself that reaching hispanic voters is harder than reaching black voters. Florida voter hangups are specific to Florida and don't extend to the rest of the nation, so investing there doesn't necessarily help anything nationally.