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Antifar 11/10/23 12:40:21 PM #1: |
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/
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Starks 11/10/23 12:54:41 PM #2: |
SLS is on life support. Without SpaceX, there is no moon program that can beat whatever China has in mind.
The conditions suck but there's no alternative. We get a foothold in space or we surrender it because we waited an extra 5 or 10 years for government programs to not even match the offering. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FolkenRawr 11/10/23 12:57:31 PM #3: |
Starks posted...
SLS is on life support. Without SpaceX, there is no moon program that can beat whatever China has in mind. Hard doubt. --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 11/10/23 1:10:39 PM #4: |
"We need to disregard worker protections because China might do something with the moon" is not, to me, a compelling argument
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DrizztLink 11/10/23 1:18:14 PM #5: |
Antifar posted...
"We need to disregard worker protections because China might do something with the moon" is not, to me, a compelling argumentThey'll go up there and change its name to The Mao. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FolkenRawr 11/10/23 1:24:43 PM #6: |
DrizztLink posted...
They'll go up there and change its name to The Mao. All because people selfishly didn't break (more) limbs --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 11/10/23 3:55:40 PM #7: |
Starks posted...
SLS is on life support. Without SpaceX, there is no moon program that can beat whatever China has in mind.Getting back to the moon ASAP is not worth sacrificing the safety of workers. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mybbqrules 11/10/23 4:00:48 PM #8: |
So an exploration company is shunning safety regs in order to rush to the finish line?
I'm sure it'll turn out just as well as it did last time. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3ff433d7.jpg --- Currently playing: GTA trilogy, Super Mario Wonder Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SimulationSwarm 11/10/23 4:12:32 PM #9: |
Dont really get why were supposedly in another space race anyway. Who cares?
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Were_Wyrm 11/10/23 4:21:54 PM #10: |
DrizztLink posted...
They'll go up there and change its name to The Mao.Once they get there, they'll see our white flag and think we surrendered it. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GATTJT 11/10/23 4:24:40 PM #11: |
Starks is such a joke, y'all need to just ignore his dumb ass
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Starks 11/10/23 4:55:53 PM #12: |
Not arguing against labor laws. Nobody else here has proposed a single alternative to SpaceX.
I expect a crackdown and it's needed. It wouldn't take away from anything. I've been pissed at commercial space companies for years. When simple things like forgetting a ladder while working on a module and then forcing a person to jump off and then break their leg so bad it has to be amputated, that's unacceptable. There's no happy medium and mimicking what Boeing is doing is wrong as well. You can have the strictest safety standards imaginable and still fail every milestone and test thrown at you. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 11/10/23 5:26:01 PM #13: |
Almost like privatization of space exploration is a bad thing
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Starks 11/10/23 5:35:27 PM #14: |
Governments are worse unless money is no object. The US doesn't act that way obviously.
I remember Andre would consistently post that commercial space travel and exploration should be banned. And replaced with what? Even Europe is finally wising up to the idea of having multiple launch companies instead of just humping Ariane and their failed Vega launches. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 11/10/23 5:44:02 PM #15: |
Starks posted... Not arguing against labor laws. Nobody else here has proposed a single alternative to SpaceX. I mean NASA is still a thing? And how does connect to China? Starks posted... Governments are worse unless money is no object. The US doesn't act that way obviously. Ehh.. I'd say "Governments are worse unless profit is not the objective" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CervusCanadensi 11/10/23 5:44:22 PM #16: |
l HATE ELON MUSK SO MUCH ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CoyoteTheGreat 11/10/23 5:46:02 PM #17: |
Antifar posted...
Four employees said he sometimes played with a novelty flamethrower and discouraged workers from wearing safety yellow because he dislikes bright colors. The dude is just completely a manchild. He should be completely disallowed to have any employees. --- Disobedience is the stamp of the hero. -Ragnar Redbeard Also, this is Kagata.. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 11/10/23 5:47:33 PM #18: |
Ruvan22 posted...
I mean NASA is still a thing?Being a thing, and being an alternative are not one and the same. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 11/10/23 5:48:52 PM #19: |
You really wanna go to the moon on a rushed rig?
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Ruvan22 11/10/23 5:51:55 PM #20: |
Prismsblade posted... Being a thing, and being an alternative are not one and the same. True, but what makes it not an alternative? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 11/10/23 6:07:58 PM #21: |
Ruvan22 posted...
I mean NASA is still a thing? And how does connect to China?NASA has no interest in manned space flight beyond what congress dictates as jobs projects for the sake of jobs and maybe one or two strategically important flagship missions. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 11/10/23 6:22:03 PM #22: |
Starks posted... NASA has no interest in manned space flight beyond what congress dictates as jobs projects for the sake of jobs and maybe one or two strategically important flagship missions. I'm not sure I agree NASA is only governed by "job prospects for the sake of jobs" but if we take your argument to be true, what's the problem? It's led to numerous ventures into space that are still ongoing ... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 11/10/23 6:25:25 PM #23: |
GATTJT posted...
Starks is such a joke, y'all need to just ignore his dumb assThat's the leader of the 261 refugees you're talking about. Show him some respect. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GATTJT 11/10/23 6:29:03 PM #24: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
That's the leader of the 261 refugees you're talking about. Show him some respect.Here's my respect: https://youtu.be/FXHkFZ-nG4Y?t=21 --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/gamerfanfan/wishlist ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 11/10/23 6:43:37 PM #25: |
Ruvan22 posted...
I'm not sure I agree NASA is only governed by "job prospects for the sake of jobs" but if we take your argument to be true, what's the problem? It's led to numerous ventures into space that are still ongoing ...It's extremely corrupt. SLS only made it this far because of Sen. Shelby leading the committee in mandating it when Alabama, his state, would benefit most. And because SLS is still a thing, it's billions of dollars too expensive per launch and is years behind schedule. It's endless paperwork. Boeing chose to do similar paperwork for their capsule and it still failed countless tests. Meanwhile, SpaceX tests their way through approvals. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 11/10/23 8:01:19 PM #26: |
Starks posted... It's extremely corrupt. SLS only made it this far because of Sen. Shelby leading the committee in mandating it when Alabama, his state, would benefit most. And because SLS is still a thing, it's billions of dollars too expensive per launch and is years behind schedule. It's endless paperwork. Boeing chose to do similar paperwork for their capsule and it still failed countless tests. Meanwhile, SpaceX tests their way through approvals. You didn't answer my question - what's the problem w/ continuing to allow NASA (and potentially SLS) to progress? Why the rush to get into space faster that justifies condoning SpaceEx fatalities? Also your "it's extremely corrupt"/"only made it this far" are really broad statements (like saying NASA only creates jobs to create jobs) - do you have a source? Wiki shows some criticism of the selection process - but nothing concrete? Finally what do you mean "SpaceX tests their way through approvals"? Successful launches? That wasn't your criticism of SLS - it was cost per launch. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 11/10/23 9:41:25 PM #27: |
You didn't answer my question - what's the problem w/ continuing to allow NASA (and potentially SLS) to progress? Why the rush to get into space faster that justifies condoning SpaceEx fatalities?NASA should continue developing and supporting its in-home and contracted solutions. SLS can and should continue. The money is already spent and it will have unique capabilities if ever fully realized. Artemis might be possible without SLS but we really should use it for the crew rating and abort methods. NASA should also be extremely proud if the Dream Chaser launch goes perfectly next month. If there's a rush or a new space race, it's because geopolitics and the dawn of literal space warfare began this past month. Twice now. That is not an excuse to cut corners or endanger employees. SpaceX has a cowboy bang-that-together attitude and it has unacceptable costs It has to stop. Mistakes and shitty safety culture on the ground will kill. And then those same mistakes can be deadly or costly as Russia, Blue Origin, SpaceX, etc have shown. Also your "it's extremely corrupt"/"only made it this far" are really broad statements (like saying NASA only creates jobs to create jobs) - do you have a source? Wiki shows some criticism of the selection process - but nothing concrete?I can post contracts and the like but 1 billion per launch is insane. The cost comes from these contracts being legacy and poorly structured. Falcon Heavy isn't even 100 million per launch and it's mostly reusable. Reference: https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-105609 https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/IG-23-015.pdf Finally what do you mean "SpaceX tests their way through approvals"? Successful launches? That wasn't your criticism of SLS - it was cost per launch.For example, SpaceX exhaustively tested their Crew Dragon using helicopter drops. Boeing decided to do paperwork instead to barely meet the requirements and then still had their parachutes and other components perform poorly during their Starliner tests. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 11/10/23 9:49:13 PM #28: |
CoyoteTheGreat posted...
The dude is just completely a manchild. He should be completely disallowed to have any employees.Muskrat thinks he's Tony Stark, but actually he's Justin Hammer, only stupider. --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 11/10/23 9:56:57 PM #30: |
Ruvan22 posted...
True, but what makes it not an alternative?Aside from their utter stagnation the past few decades they arent any less guilty of the issues outlined above as spaceX throughout their history. Even more so actually. Frankly Im not sure what you see in modern NASA for them to be a alternative. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 11/10/23 10:21:59 PM #31: |
Starship should just be a starship. I don't want people on it unless it's in space. Somehow, we have to make it work as a lunar lander, a Skylab, a moon base, etc. We're doing this hard mode.
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu 11/10/23 10:27:02 PM #32: |
Starks posted...
As someone who played Kerbal Space Program, that second sentence hits too true in a different meaning. --- I am the Hunter of Topics. My post never fails to kill its prey. *pounces* Nyaa! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 11/10/23 11:02:38 PM #33: |
Prismsblade posted... Aside from their utter stagnation the past few decades they arent any less guilty of the issues outlined above as spaceX throughout their history. Even more so actually. A) "Utter stagnation" is also a broad generalization, how exactly are you qunatifying this? B) Please cite where NASA disregarded safety precautions that led to injuries on the scale SpaceX has C) Are you complaining about NASA as a whole? Or NASA's methods to launch things? Because your first paragraph is the former and your second is the latter... D) Interesting that you didn't post anything till Starks longer post... do you have anything to add beyond "What he said"? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ruvan22 11/10/23 11:15:37 PM #34: |
Starks posted... NASA should continue developing and supporting its in-home and contracted solutions. SLS can and should continue. The money is already spent and it will have unique capabilities if ever fully realized. Artemis might be possible without SLS but we really should use it for the crew rating and abort methods. So the bolded is why you are making these statements about urgency? Which incidents are you referring to? (I genuinely could have missed them) The Israeli missile defense incident doesn't seem to apply..
None of these show "massive corruption" or that the project "only made it this far because of Shelby"?
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