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Zikten
11/09/23 4:30:05 PM
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https://people.com/take-care-of-maya-trial-hospital-found-liable-mothers-suicide-munchausen-by-proxy-accusations-8400157

A girl was forcibly taken by a hospital. The mom was accused of making up the girls illness, illness was called fake. Family lost contact with daughter and hospital workers, judges and CPS worked together to essentially pull off a kidnapping. The mom eventually killed herself in despair.

Eventually the hospital finally let the girl go but they charged the surviving dad, fees for treatment of the very illness they said was fake. The girl is now grown. She's like 17 or 18 now. She, her brother and dad sued the hospital. And she won today. Hospital was found guilty and liable for ruining a family. And has to pay millions of dollars to the victims

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mercurydude
11/09/23 4:31:54 PM
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Good. It won't bring her back, but I'm glad they were held accountable.

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TheOtherMike
11/09/23 4:32:25 PM
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Zikten posted...
Hospital was found guilty and liable for ruining a family. And has to pay millions of dollars to the victims

Good.

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Simon_Gruber
11/09/23 4:32:52 PM
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Good but there should be criminal charges against the staff involved too.
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Carljank
11/09/23 4:33:10 PM
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Horrifying

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Zikten
11/09/23 4:33:31 PM
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Simon_Gruber posted...
Good but there should be criminal charges against the staff involved too.
True. I don't know if it will happen though
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Sexypwnstar
11/09/23 4:34:12 PM
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Johns Hopkins Children's Hospital in Florida

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Ooooooranges
11/13/23 8:30:26 PM
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I haven't seen the documentary's, but where was the malicious intent here? It seems the hospital staff thought there was abuse going on at home.

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Xenogears15
11/13/23 8:31:19 PM
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THE HOSPITAL LET THIS GO TO TRIAL?! What the fuck were they thinking?!

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Zikten
11/13/23 10:52:22 PM
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Ooooooranges posted...
I haven't seen the documentary's, but where was the malicious intent here? It seems the hospital staff thought there was abuse going on at home.
The hospital themselves abused the girl. One thing they did, amongst other things, was accuse the girl of faking her condition. They put a toilet bed pan or whatever it's called, just far enough away from her bed that she would have to walk to it

And they left a camera watching to catch her getting up, which they expected her to be able to do even though her condition made that impossible. Instead, the girl just wet the bed because she couldn't get up

Also one of the CPS ladies told her, that she would be her new mother. This was before her mom was even dead yet. It's very creepy and inappropriate
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SweetNut_Farm
11/14/23 6:08:37 AM
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Yes, I watched most of the trial on Court Room TV. Pretty sure sad. I'm glad they won their case.

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spikethedevil
11/14/23 6:12:50 AM
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Xenogears15 posted...
THE HOSPITAL LET THIS GO TO TRIAL?! What the fuck were they thinking?!

You dont know how suing works do you?

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CableZL
11/14/23 6:18:22 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
You dont know how suing works do you?

I think he means they should have settled out of court

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UnfairRepresent
11/14/23 6:20:48 AM
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Simon_Gruber posted...
Good but there should be criminal charges against the staff involved too.


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majin_nemesis
11/14/23 6:23:15 AM
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They should have arrested the doctors,family workers and CPS people involved in this too put them in jail for years
This is inexcusable
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ai123
11/14/23 6:36:14 AM
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These are hard cases.

Munchausen's by proxy is a real thing. If the diagnosis was made in good faith, they acted properly.

An undiagnosed case, and the public would be rightly outraged too.

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Xenogears15
11/14/23 9:20:39 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
You dont know how suing works do you?

My point is they didn't settle this out of court. I suppose the family wanted it to go to trial, but the hospital should have kept adding digits to their offer until they kept it out of court.

Letting it go to trial was a mistake on their part.

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punkfanalways
11/14/23 9:29:08 AM
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Xenogears15 posted...
My point is they didn't settle this out of court. I suppose the family wanted it to go to trial, but the hospital should have kept adding digits to their offer until they kept it out of court.

Letting it go to trial was a mistake on their part.

I know it's hard to believe but there's more to life than money. Justice is important too. But not having this go to caught the hospital would have been able to claim there was no wrong doing. At least now it opens up the doors for other people to come forward for other instances like this which there almost certainly will be.
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Zikten
11/14/23 9:30:09 AM
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The family wanted justice. I don't think they would have ever settled
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Rika_Furude
11/14/23 9:40:26 AM
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Justice wasnt served unless upper management of the hospital at the time are held directly responsible for the suicide
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C_Pain
11/14/23 9:45:46 AM
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Wtf, this is upsetting.

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Zikten
11/14/23 10:22:17 AM
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C_Pain posted...
Wtf, this is upsetting.
Only upsetting if you were on the hospital's side
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Barber102
11/14/23 10:28:18 AM
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Zikten posted...
Only upsetting if you were on the hospital's side

nah the story its self is upsetting, the loss of the mother to suicide is sad.

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megamanfreakXD
11/14/23 10:31:46 AM
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majin_nemesis posted...
They should have arrested the doctors,family workers and CPS people involved in this too put them in jail for years
This is inexcusable
You know CPS service is a state government program right? And we are absolutely required to report it by law if we suspect it. We don't need proof.

The SCR receives calls 24 hours a day, every day from two types of sources: persons who are required by law (mandated) to report suspected cases of child abuse and maltreatment; and calls from non-mandated reporters, including the public.
Among those who are mandated reporters:
  • Medical and hospital personnel
  • School officials
  • Social service workers
  • Child care workers
  • Residential care workers and volunteers
  • Law enforcement personnel
https://ocfs.ny.gov/programs/cps/

Also,

While there, hospital staff reported Beata to the Department of Children and Families after she requested Maya be treated with ketamine, saying the drug had helped her daughter in the past.

Uhhh.....What......the....fuck.....We give addictive pain meds to children now?

Ketamine infusion Systematic reviews have found that there is only low- to moderate-quality evidence supporting the use of subanesthetic doses of ketamine for CRPS [8,30,53-55]. In one of the higher-quality randomized trials, ketamine infusion was compared with placebo in 60 patients with type I CRPS [56]. Patients assigned to five-day ketamine infusions had a statistically significant decline in pain scores from weeks 1 through 11 of follow-up compared with the placebo group, but the reduction was no longer statistically significant by week 12. Frequent side effects of ketamine in this trial included psychomimetic symptoms (eg, hallucinations, delirium), nausea, and vomiting.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

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Zikten
11/14/23 11:06:37 AM
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Barber102 posted...
nah the story its self is upsetting, the loss of the mother to suicide is sad.
Oh ok. Sorry
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Sexypwnstar
11/14/23 11:09:16 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...


Uhhh.....What......the....fuck.....We give addictive pain meds to children now?

Yes, we give them to newborn babies too.

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megamanfreakXD
11/14/23 11:10:49 AM
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Sexypwnstar posted...
Yes, we give them to newborn babies too.
But ketamine though?

I would be okay with morphine or any other opiates if weight adjusted but ketamine?

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Rai_Jin
11/14/23 11:27:06 AM
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Terrible.

also 261 million in damages.

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Revelation34
11/14/23 11:28:13 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...

You know CPS service is a state government program right? And we are absolutely required to report it by law if we suspect it. We don't need proof.

The SCR receives calls 24 hours a day, every day from two types of sources: persons who are required by law (mandated) to report <u>suspected cases of child abuse and maltreatment; and calls from non-mandated reporters, including the public.</u>
Among those who are mandated reporters:
* Medical and hospital personnel
* School officials
* Social service workers
* Child care workers
* Residential care workers and volunteers
* Law enforcement personnel
https://ocfs.ny.gov/programs/cps/

Also,

While there, hospital staff reported Beata to the Department of Children and Families after she requested Maya be treated with ketamine, saying the drug had helped her daughter in the past.

Uhhh.....What......the....fuck.....We give addictive pain meds to children now?

Ketamine infusion Systematic reviews have found that there is only low- to moderate-quality evidence supporting the use of subanesthetic doses of ketamine for CRPS [8,30,53-55]. In one of the higher-quality randomized trials, ketamine infusion was compared with placebo in 60 patients with type I CRPS [56]. Patients assigned to five-day ketamine infusions had a statistically significant decline in pain scores from weeks 1 through 11 of follow-up compared with the placebo group, but the reduction was no longer statistically significant by week 12. Frequent side effects of ketamine in this trial included psychomimetic symptoms (eg, hallucinations, delirium), nausea, and vomiting.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE


Victim blaming.

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ssb_yunglink2
11/14/23 11:28:18 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
But ketamine though?

I would be okay with morphine or any other opiates if weight adjusted but ketamine?
Ketamine is not some evil substance. It has legitimate medical uses, tho can be addictive, same as other prescription painkillers. I can understand hating opiates AND ketamine, but one is not significantly worse than the other

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TheGoldenEel
11/14/23 11:37:46 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
But ketamine though?

I would be okay with morphine or any other opiates if weight adjusted but ketamine?
today you learned meth can be prescribed to children

EDIT: btw the point Im trying to make here is that drugs have all kinds of medically accepted uses and just because something can be abused as a street drug, doesnt mean it cant be used in a positive way

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ScazarMeltex
11/14/23 1:05:57 PM
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Simon_Gruber posted...
Good but there should be criminal charges against the staff involved too.


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punkfanalways
11/15/23 6:37:04 AM
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I think more he thinks money is the only thing people care about.
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Xenogears15
11/16/23 7:14:07 AM
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Becaise the internet sucks at inferring tone. If you think that I'm on the side of the hospital, you're out of your fucking mind. The hospital's legal team was not wise and I was laughing at how they let it get this far.

But if the family wanted it to go to trial that's another story. Still laughable on the legal team's part.

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Rai_Jin
11/16/23 7:16:56 AM
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what are they supposed to do if the family does not want to settle?

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Mad-Dogg
11/16/23 7:30:38 AM
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megamanfreakXD posted...
Uhhh.....What......the....fuck.....We give addictive pain meds to children now?
With the kind of sickle cell pain crises episodes I had as a kid, I would be way the hell worst off or possibly dead had I not got "addictive pain meds" alongside everything else that helps with either help preventing the pain crises from starting and controlling the pain when it inevitably happens. Usually the stronger stuff is reserved for when you actually go to the hospital compared to the at-home pain medicine. For me personally something like oxycodone and morphine sulfate is only taken when needed, but if I ever get into a pain crisis that my home medicines just isn't cutting it (normally happens when the weather gets cold as balls) then a trip to the ER and a IV set-up with something like dilaudid is normal for sickle-stuff. (Yeah, I was used to this kind of thing w/ a pain pump as a kid).

For some of us chronic pain patients, yeah, stronger meds really is a life-long thing. It doesn't necessarily mean you become addicted to them though (although it actually can happen, but majority of us life-long chronic pain peeps are responsible with this kind of thing).


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Xenogears15
11/16/23 8:10:40 AM
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Rai_Jin posted...
what are they supposed to do if the family does not want to settle?

Nothing. We've been over this already in the posts above. Welcome to almost a week ago.

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Rai_Jin
11/16/23 8:17:11 AM
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Xenogears15 posted...
Nothing. We've been over this already in the posts above. Welcome to almost a week ago.

well you were the one who brought it up again. You say laughable on the legal team's part, why?

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Xenogears15
11/16/23 9:30:43 AM
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Rai_Jin posted...
well you were the one who brought it up again. You say laughable on the legal team's part, why?

Brought it up agaon in reponse to someone asking me a question. But you're right, we should end this

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