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DanHaren4Ringz 11/08/23 1:51:38 AM #1: |
Shouldn't you want to pay less taxes and trust yourself over the government? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 11/08/23 1:52:34 AM #2: |
Republican tax cuts are for the rich only. Stop role playing as one.
--- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 11/08/23 1:52:36 AM #3: |
You don't understand a lot of things, we know
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DanHaren4Ringz 11/08/23 1:53:18 AM #4: |
DarthAragorn posted... You don't understand a lot of things, we know Why dont you help me understand then instead of being so malignant ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 11/08/23 1:53:38 AM #5: |
DarthAragorn posted...
You don't understand a lot of things, we know --- Heavy weight, one more stone... https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 11/08/23 1:53:46 AM #6: |
Taxation, at least in theory, benefits the poor. Most people are, relatively speaking, poor. Of course, if the government is skimming off the top or spending it in inefficient ways, some people argue that taxation is bad. In reality, its not taxation thats bad but the government, so they should be removed from office. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 11/08/23 1:53:50 AM #7: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Why dont you help me understand then instead of being so malignant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 11/08/23 1:55:35 AM #8: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Shouldn't you want to pay less taxes and trust yourself over the government?Collective action carries more weight than individual action. --- Nothing works/Everything's expensive/And opaque/And privatised/My shoe organising thing arrived/Thank God ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/08/23 1:59:03 AM #9: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Shouldn't you want to pay less taxes and trust yourself over the government? I can understand wanting less taxes if the way you live doesn't require much in the way of public services. But if you use roads, libraries, public schools and the like, taxes are how you keep those things functioning. That, and I'd like the higher income brackets to pay their fair share. Via loophole abuse and lobbying, they pay proportionally less than lower income brackets. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rai_Jin 11/08/23 1:59:58 AM #10: |
didn't the US at some point have 70% tax for very rich people? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 11/08/23 2:00:49 AM #11: |
Guide posted...
I can understand wanting less taxes if the way you live doesn't require much in the way of public services. But if you use roads, libraries, public schools and the like, taxes are how you keep those things functioning. The user youre responding to isnt here for genuine discussion. Theyre killing time until their other alt/s come off cool-down. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/08/23 2:01:32 AM #12: |
Dark_Arbron posted...
The user youre responding to isnt here for genuine discussion. Theyre killing time until their other alt/s come off cool-down. I gotta see that for myself. I make the first move in good faith. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 11/08/23 2:01:33 AM #13: |
Rai_Jin posted...
didn't the US at some point have 70% tax for very rich people? I assume thats part of what Reagan destroyed in the name of trickle down economics. If it was ever as high as 70% that is, --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DanHaren4Ringz 11/08/23 2:02:26 AM #14: |
Youy guys' examples are too extreme...roads, public schools? Like those are basic needs that need to be funded. Theres just so much superfluous that is well beyond "Needs" that wastes money. Like we could cut taxes by 5% across every bracket and we wouldn't be significantly affected. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkBuster22904 11/08/23 2:02:41 AM #15: |
I, for one, don't want to pay more taxes.
I would, however, appreciate seeing the millionaire/billionaire class pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than I do. Or, hell, an equal percentage. Republicans disagree. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TripleDouble 11/08/23 2:03:01 AM #16: |
Dark_Arbron posted...
Republican tax cuts are for the rich only. basically this --- Lol islam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/08/23 2:03:04 AM #17: |
Rai_Jin posted...
didn't the US at some point have 70% tax for very rich people? It was an attempt to get around loophole abuse resulted in more loophole abuse. https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/70-tax-rate-entrepreneurial-income/ --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/08/23 2:04:05 AM #18: |
We're gonna need even more taxes to fund my agenda.
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Dark_Arbron 11/08/23 2:04:12 AM #19: |
DarkBuster22904 posted...
I, for one, don't want to pay more taxes. Not to mention closing the loopholes that let them avoid tax to begin with. Republicans also disagree, but chances are a ton of Democrats do too. Looking after the rich is one of few bipartisan topics in the US. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/08/23 2:07:55 AM #20: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Youy guys' examples are too extreme...roads, public schools? Like those are basic needs that need to be funded. Theres just so much superfluous that is well beyond "Needs" that wastes money. Like we could cut taxes by 5% across every bracket and we wouldn't be significantly affected. That's not true. A lot of people are just straight up living medically substandard lives for lack of a proper social safety net. Merely affording insulin is absurdly expensive. Public schools should be considered basic needs, but we treat teachers like shit and keep lowering school standards so as to avoid paying for proper materials and proper teachers. You know what the response was to trying to get kids to eat more veggies? Declaring ketchup a vegetable, because there was no way to fund proper meals. (This is another reason why NJ is secretly the best state. We try to care about teachers, and I ate well in school despite being poor.) --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 11/08/23 2:14:21 AM #21: |
Dark_Arbron posted...
Not to mention closing the loopholes that let them avoid tax to begin with.Closing US tax loopholes (not the illegal stuff, just the loopholes) would raise damn near enough money to pay the entire social security budget. --- Nothing works/Everything's expensive/And opaque/And privatised/My shoe organising thing arrived/Thank God ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 11/08/23 2:16:35 AM #22: |
ai123 posted...
Closing US tax loopholes (not the illegal stuff, just the loopholes) would raise damn near enough money to pay the entire social security budget. Here's some fun facts: One of my veteran friends got to skeet shoot with rocket launchers and drones, so that his higher ups could say they definitely needed all the money they spent, else their budget would shrink. He estimated something like 17 million tax dollars were spent in an hour. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 11/08/23 2:38:46 AM #23: |
I mean if you can guarantee something thats going to get too much money, its the US military.
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ai123 11/08/23 2:42:19 AM #24: |
I don't think anyone would object to cracking down on egregious instances of waste.
But we can still close tax loopholes and make the system more equitable. --- Nothing works/Everything's expensive/And opaque/And privatised/My shoe organising thing arrived/Thank God ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Daremo 11/08/23 2:42:50 AM #25: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Shouldn't you want to pay less taxes and trust yourself over the government?Do I want to do all the drudgery of building a road to get where I want to go, or do I want to pay someone else to do that for me? --- Cynic, n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glob 11/08/23 3:02:55 AM #26: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted... Youy guys' examples are too extreme...roads, public schools? Like those are basic needs that need to be funded. Theres just so much superfluous that is well beyond "Needs" that wastes money. Like we could cut taxes by 5% across every bracket and we wouldn't be significantly affected. Youre in the US? You dont think that more money should be spent on providing free healthcare, better schools, better social care systems, public transport, etc? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notti 11/11/23 6:51:47 AM #27: |
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The key point to understand is that some issues are better tackled by the community as a whole, rather than by individuals. Roads, fire depts, health care, military. Otherwise you open those essential services up to high amounts of bribery and profit taking. A military full of for profit mercenaries does not make for a stable country. --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnsteadyOwl 11/11/23 8:03:54 AM #28: |
Rai_Jin posted...
didn't the US at some point have 70% tax for very rich people?Yes and no. There was a time when the top tax bracket was 70%. That doesn't mean anyone actually paid 70% of their income in taxes though. After deductions and everything the richest Americans back then paid I think somewhere around 40% of their income in taxes. Contrast that to today, when the richest Americans on average pay an effective tax rate of around 25%. So it is true that in the past we've taxed the rich quite a bit more than we do now and still had a healthy economy. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LSGW_Zephyra 11/11/23 8:14:08 AM #29: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Shouldn't you want to pay less taxes and trust yourself over the government? It's been said here already, but the government can leverage its collective body in order to get better deals then any individual could. It's why there should be a public health care option. It's why Unions and Corporations are effective, because they can leverage their entire organization towards their aims. Ever wonder why big box stores are so much cheaper then others at times? It's because they can put in orders for thousands and get them for less money overall for each unit. It's like going to a grocery store and buying a 5lb bag of apples for less then it would have been to buy those same apples for the same weight but loose and not bagged. Now just imagine that on a grand scale. We have a lot of things in this country that we could actively do to make the lives of the average person easier but we simply don't because wealthy people consistently bribe (lobby) efforts to not have to have any level of control, oversight implemented on them. They use their collective action in order to influence. --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LSGW_Zephyra 11/11/23 8:16:41 AM #30: |
Guide posted...
Here's some fun facts: One of my veteran friends got to skeet shoot with rocket launchers and drones, so that his higher ups could say they definitely needed all the money they spent, else their budget would shrink. He estimated something like 17 million tax dollars were spent in an hour. This is very normal. My vet friends have had similar stories. Basically saying that had an unlimited budget so if something breaks or doesn't work, they don't have to fix most things and can just get a new one made. The military is crazy wasteful --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 11/11/23 8:34:35 AM #31: |
Our country spends to much money. So much so that were in massive debt mostly because of that. To the point that even taxing the wealthy and all wont help.
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UnsteadyOwl 11/11/23 8:37:57 AM #32: |
Prismsblade posted...
Our country spends to much money. So much so that were in massive debt mostly because of that. To the point that even taxing the wealthy and all wont help.Pretty much everybody agrees we need spending cuts. What they don't agree on is what specifically should be cut. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rai_Jin 11/11/23 8:38:32 AM #33: |
Prismsblade posted... Our country spends to much money. So much so that were in massive debt mostly because of that. To the point that even taxing the wealthy and all wont help. the defense budget can use more accountability for several reasons. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RyukSan 11/11/23 8:47:15 AM #34: |
I'm saddened no one has pointed out the elephant in the room. Democrats are only trying to raise taxes on the rich, not the poor or middle class. This idea that a tax hike would most likely affect people like anyone on this board, is not what Democrats want, but it's certainly a Republican talking point. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cemith 11/11/23 8:48:36 AM #35: |
RyukSan posted...
I'm saddened no one one pointed out the elephant in the room. Democrats are only trying to raise taxes on the rich, not the poor or middle class. The poor and middle class already pay more taxes than the rich. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 11/11/23 8:49:01 AM #36: |
Prismsblade posted...
Our country spends to much money. So much so that were in massive debt mostly because of that. To the point that even taxing the wealthy and all wont help. If we chose the programs we spent on better, we'd see an actual return on our taxes. And then some. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 11/11/23 8:50:30 AM #37: |
Cemith posted...
The poor and middle class already pay more taxes than the rich. Mostly because the rich can afford lawyers to exploit the tax code. It's engineered that way. Normal people don't have the time, expertise, or funds to get out of taxes. But rich people do. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RyukSan 11/11/23 8:50:58 AM #38: |
Cemith posted... The poor and middle class already pay more taxes than the rich.Which doesn't contradict what I said..... Democrats are not trying to raise your taxes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FlyEaglesFly24 11/11/23 8:51:46 AM #39: |
Democrats only want to raise taxes on people who make more in one year that most of America makes in 5-10. Its beyond ridiculous that a person making 260k a year has the same tax rate as someone making a million or more when there are six brackets below that for everyone else.
I saw an article on fb a few weeks ago where a member of the 49ers because of state and federal taxes wound up paying forty + percent on his taxes, making his salary around 3.4 million dollars. And the article wanted me to feel sorry for him. I dont. --- My resolution - the next time the Eagles are in the Superbowl, I'm going! February 10th, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 11/11/23 8:53:52 AM #40: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Youy guys' examples are too extreme...roads, public schools? Like those are basic needs that need to be funded. Theres just so much superfluous that is well beyond "Needs" that wastes money. Like we could cut taxes by 5% across every bracket and we wouldn't be significantly affected.Yeah, like why not cut military spending? Or spending on politician salaries? --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cemith 11/11/23 8:53:58 AM #41: |
RyukSan posted...
Which doesn't contradict what I said..... The implication of your post implies that it's unfair for Dems to want to raise taxes on the rich and not on the poor or middle class. I then stated the fact that poor and middle class persons taxes aren't the ones that need work. --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crimsoness 11/11/23 9:05:23 AM #42: |
I don't get why someone would pretend to be a doctor on an obscure dying message board.
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TheOtherMike 11/11/23 9:07:04 AM #43: |
Rai_Jin posted...
didn't the US at some point have 70% tax for very rich people? 90%. --- Only two things can end a Republican's career - a dead girl or a live boy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 11/11/23 9:10:28 AM #44: |
UnsteadyOwl posted...
Pretty much everybody agrees we need spending cuts. What they don't agree on is what specifically should be cut.Aside from the military nothing. Thats where all discussions on the matter begin or end and why no one is actually serious on fixing the matter. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BunkerBoy 11/11/23 9:11:37 AM #45: |
Crimsoness posted... I don't get why someone would pretend to be a doctor on an obscure dying message board. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cheetaluv 11/11/23 9:11:40 AM #46: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Why dont you help me understand then instead of being so malignant Welcome to politics, the majority knows shit beside saying whatever they can to defend their own party and ignore the problem their own party does. --- Having an opinion is a declaration of war ... Copied to Clipboard!
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drclaeys 11/11/23 9:14:09 AM #47: |
Friends,
Well when you look at the countries that pay more taxes, you can ask them, what do you feel about that. I have 3 aunts in Canada, my mom is from Canada. they say, YES we pay more taxes, but that covers Universal Health care, and thats worth it. ITs better to have a country of healthy people. so its more WHAT the taxes are use for???? will we close the loopholes. if I have control over what the money is spend on, then ok. I am ok if I have control over it. --- Dr. Darrell of Michigan Riden with Biden, Vote Democrat, everyday, every year, every election. Help repair the USA. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnsteadyOwl 11/11/23 9:28:06 AM #48: |
Prismsblade posted...
Aside from the military nothing. Thats where all discussions on the matter begin or end and why no one is actually serious on fixing the matter.Yeah, what it comes down to is everybody wants significant debt reduction so long as they don't have to personally sacrifice anything to get there, but that's not how it works. Any realistic plan has to include a combination of spending cuts and tax increases. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ooger 11/11/23 9:29:31 AM #49: |
DanHaren4Ringz posted...
Shouldn't you want to pay less taxes and trust yourself over the government?Karma: 77 --- Dumpy Trumpy: Inmate No. P01135809 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 11/11/23 9:35:48 AM #50: |
Cheetaluv posted...
Welcome to politics, the majority knows shit beside saying whatever they can to defend their own party and ignore the problem their own party does. Big surprise, given you have a history yourself around here and on 261. --- Depression, self-hatred and suicidal tendencies are not "being edgy." Stop dismissing people's problems with a stupid meme. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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