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teep_
10/26/23 4:06:48 PM
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https://www.golem.de/news/einheitliches-ladekabel-usb-c-wird-in-deutschland-zur-pflicht-2310-178821.html

From a Reddit comment (since I can't be bothered to translate myself)

TL:DR - By the end of 2024, USB-C will be required as the new standard for smartphones, digital cameras, headphones, tablets, portable video game consoles, keyboards, e-readers, navigation devices, headsets and portable speakers, as long as they can be charged with a cable. From 2026, this charging standard will also apply to notebooks.

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Trumble
10/26/23 4:08:21 PM
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Pretty sure this is an EU-wide thing?

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teep_
10/26/23 4:12:37 PM
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Trumble posted...
Pretty sure this is an EU-wide thing?
This goes even further than EU law, since iirc the EU law only covered smartphones

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Trumble
10/26/23 4:13:31 PM
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teep_ posted...
This goes even further than EU law, since iirc the EU law only covered smartphones
I know EU was discussing applying it to a wider range of devices, I don't know for sure if it actually happened.

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Rika_Furude
10/26/23 4:36:43 PM
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What happens in maybe 10 years from now when USB D is released?
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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 4:37:44 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
What happens in maybe 10 years from now when USB D is released?

This isn't to fight against USB A, B, D, Z, whatever. It's to fight against companies like Apple making their own proprietary cable.

The Lightning Cable is dead (in some places, probably soon to be everywhere.)

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ai123
10/26/23 4:37:54 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
What happens in maybe 10 years from now when USB D is released?
Once established it becomes the new standard.

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Shishiwakamaru
10/26/23 4:38:05 PM
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In the last two years so my number of devices that use USB C increased exponentially, so this is good news. USB C really is great

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Rexdragon125
10/26/23 4:43:05 PM
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God USB-C is so shit

Does this USB-C shaped cable charge only? Transfer data? Transfer data at a reasonable speed? Transfer video signal? Work with headphone adapters? Fuck these mystery cables
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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 4:45:32 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
God USB-C is so shit

Does this USB-C shaped cable charge only? Transfer data? Transfer data at a reasonable speed? Transfer video signal? Work with headphone adapters? Fuck these mystery cables

I mean, it's incredibly hard to buy a USB-C cable that can't transfer, charge, whatever. Though I feel like that's why you specified "USB-C 'shaped' cable." What are you even buying, exactly? You'd have to be buying some incredibly knock-off cables to get ones that can't transfer, in 2023, and even then, I think they're required to specifically be labeled as "Charging cables."

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Rika_Furude
10/26/23 4:47:24 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I mean, it's incredibly hard to buy a USB-C cable that can't transfer, charge, whatever. Though I feel like that's why you specified "USB-C 'shaped' cable." What are you even buying, exactly? You'd have to be buying some knock-off cables to get ones that can't transfer, and even then, I think they're required to specifically be labeled as "Charging cables."
Its mostly around whatever cables are included for free with stuff you buy since those are whats gonna end up laying around the place for use
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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 4:49:49 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Its mostly around whatever cables are included for free with stuff you buy since those are whats gonna end up laying around the place for use

Actually, that does make sense, since those are typically going to be the lowest quality to save costs.

Even then, though, that's still pretty rare now. It wasn't a few years ago, sure, but today, the cables are so cheap in general that the "good" ones tend to be included.

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Rexdragon125
10/26/23 4:58:30 PM
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Some USB-C cables may or may not support HDMI or DisplayPort, it gets stupider the more I look it up
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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:05:24 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
Some USB-C cables may or may not support HDMI or DisplayPort, it gets stupider the more I look it up

Yeah, but by "some," that basically means "Don't buy the $1 USB-C cable shipping from China."

This was a greater concern years ago, but now it's just like... C'mon.

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MatzoTov
10/26/23 5:14:25 PM
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The only people against this are iDrones.

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CableZL
10/26/23 5:15:59 PM
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Rexdragon125 posted...
God USB-C is so shit

Does this USB-C shaped cable charge only? Transfer data? Transfer data at a reasonable speed? Transfer video signal? Work with headphone adapters? Fuck these mystery cables

USB-C does all of those things and isn't a "mystery cable." USB-C is an open standard connector type.

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Thermador446
10/26/23 5:17:24 PM
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USB-C is great compared to previous USB ports

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Jupiter
10/26/23 5:18:27 PM
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Good on Germany for this.

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Trumble
10/26/23 5:21:44 PM
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CableZL posted...
USB-C does all of those things and isn't a "mystery cable." USB-C is an open standard connector type.
Some lower-quality USB-C cables don't support all of those things; that's what they're getting at.

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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:26:28 PM
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CableZL posted...
USB-C does all of those things and isn't a "mystery cable." USB-C is an open standard connector type.

He's right that some of the cheaper/low quality ones don't do transfer, for example. But... You can just tell, today. If it's a $1 cable from China vs. a $7 average for every other cable, you should logically realize something is fishy.

And that's even true of Lightning/Thunderbolt/whatever Apple calls theirs, now. If it's too cheap and seems too good to be true... It is, in fact, too good to be true.

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CableZL
10/26/23 5:28:07 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
He's right that some of the cheaper/low quality ones don't do transfer, for example. But... You can just tell, today. If it's a $1 cable from China vs. a $7 average for every other cable, you should logically realize something is fishy.

Yeah, but that's the case with a lot of things that are super cheap. You can get a drone for like $70 that doesn't do all of the things that a $600 DJI drone does. You can get a TV for $200 that doesn't do all of the things that a $2500 TV does. That doesn't mean drones or TVs suck. It just means the cheap ones do.

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Frostshock
10/26/23 5:28:51 PM
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Legislation like this is terrible for everyone. Thanks to the EU we're stuck on USB C for the foreseeable future.

It's a good connector, for now. If a better connector is developed it either needs to be backwards compatible or this legislation needs to be repealed before it can ever actually make it into a product.

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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:29:46 PM
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CableZL posted...
Yeah, but that's the case with a lot of things that are super cheap. You can get a drone for like $70 that doesn't do all of the things that a $600 DJI drone does. You can get a TV for $200 that doesn't do all of the things that a $2500 TV does.

Oh, right, and that's my entire point, as I've been arguing in this topic. We agree.

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CableZL
10/26/23 5:30:41 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Oh, right, and that's my entire point, as I've been arguing in this topic. We agree.

I was responding to RexDragon125's comments about USB-C.

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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:33:52 PM
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CableZL posted...
I was responding to RexDragon125's comments about USB-C.

Gotcha. I was just replying since you quoted me, to show we don't actually disagree. Carry on.

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CableZL
10/26/23 5:35:05 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Gotcha. I was just replying since you quoted me, to show we don't actually disagree. Carry on.

I was replying to you because you quoted me! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

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Starks
10/26/23 5:35:34 PM
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Watches aren't going to play nice with this.

Almost everything is proprietary pogo pins. If it can't use a standard cable, it should at least be wireless.

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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:35:45 PM
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CableZL posted...
I was replying to you because you quoted me! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Did we just become best friends

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MatzoTov
10/26/23 5:37:51 PM
#29:


YUP

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CableZL
10/26/23 5:38:14 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Did we just become best friends
I think so

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Torgo
10/26/23 5:40:02 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
What happens in maybe 10 years from now when USB D is released?

There's nothing you can do, you can never change things.

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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:46:08 PM
#32:


CableZL posted...
I think so

Something good came of this topic.

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StealThisSheen
10/26/23 5:46:40 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
YUP

Also, props for getting the reference.

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teep_
10/26/23 11:47:09 PM
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Bump

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dj1200
10/27/23 3:20:25 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
What happens in maybe 10 years from now when USB D is released?
I got that USB-D for the ladies.

Ill get my coat

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Dark_Arbron
10/27/23 3:44:02 AM
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dj1200 posted...
I got that USB-D for the ladies.

Ill get my coat

B-Ds can be appreciated by more than just the ladies.

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Zwijn
10/27/23 4:24:00 AM
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MatzoTov posted...
The only people against this are iDrones.
For some of us drones its about cable type. Im all for a standard, but I prefer the lightning form factor. Too late for that now though so gimme that USB-C.
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Rika_Furude
10/27/23 4:31:21 AM
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I think at least early on there was an issue with power delivery as well. In that maybe some cables supported charging but not fully rated for 100W PD. Maybe thats also different these days

years and years ago was when I bought a particular set of cables and I had to be very selective to be sure that they supported high speed data and 100W PD. As others mentioned it is probably better these days even for off-branded cables, but i doubt its a solved problem considering most people dont even buy cables and just use whatever comes packaged with what they buy

I prefer buying higher end stuff myself, I do have quality cables laying around. But I do have cheaper shit as well and with those its a coin toss of what its cable supports. I have to remember where my good cables are and be sure not to lose them
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pinky0926
10/27/23 4:34:41 AM
#39:


Frostshock posted...
Legislation like this is terrible for everyone. Thanks to the EU we're stuck on USB C for the foreseeable future.

It's a good connector, for now. If a better connector is developed it either needs to be backwards compatible or this legislation needs to be repealed before it can ever actually make it into a product.

I disagree. You know what's terrible for everyone? Needing to buy a different adapter and cable for every single piece of technology I own and summarily discarding anything that's more than 6 months old because it's obsolete. What an incredible environmental burden.

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brestugo
10/27/23 6:42:35 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
This isn't to fight against USB A, B, D, Z, whatever. It's to fight against companies like Apple making their own proprietary cable.

The Lightning Cable is dead (in some places, probably soon to be everywhere.)

This right here. That's some anti-consumer bullshit if I ever saw it.

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Rotterdammerung
10/27/23 6:43:42 AM
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Does Germany still enforce green blood?

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