Current Events > Georgia RICO update: Kenneth Chesebro takes a plea deal

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Alucard188 posted...

People who are upset at just probation are missing the forest for the trees. You don't hit the low level drug traffickers when the kingpin is still available. The only people we are interested in seeing justice for are the people on top. Trump and his inner circle need to go down as harshly as possible. The lower level grunts testifying against the higher level ones is better for the prosecution, and also hides the prosecution's case better against Trump and his attorneys. I have no issues with this plea deal.

The defense will have access to basically all evidence the prosecution plans to use at trial, but otherwise this so hard. We want the kingpin, not the street pusher.

bover_87 posted...

The defense will have access to basically all evidence the prosecution plans to use at trial, but otherwise this so hard. We want the kingpin, not the street pusher.

The defense already knows what Trump did. The prosecution also knowing doesn't help Trump any.

Alucard188 posted...

People who are upset at just probation are missing the forest for the trees. You don't hit the low level drug traffickers when the kingpin is still available. The only people we are interested in seeing justice for are the people on top. Trump and his inner circle need to go down as harshly as possible. The lower level grunts testifying against the higher level ones is better for the prosecution, and also hides the prosecution's case better against Trump and his attorneys. I have no issues with this plea deal.

Yeah but it's understandably frustrating if you sat through e.g. the Mueller investigation for it to seem like a lot of people get off scot free only for them to not seal the deal.

I'm mostly OK with the consequence of all this being Trump losing another election through loss of support.

Alucard188 posted...

People who are upset at just probation are missing the forest for the trees. You don't hit the low level drug traffickers when the kingpin is still available. The only people we are interested in seeing justice for are the people on top. Trump and his inner circle need to go down as harshly as possible. The lower level grunts testifying against the higher level ones is better for the prosecution, and also hides the prosecution's case better against Trump and his attorneys. I have no issues with this plea deal.

bingo. it's a huge deal that trump doesn't get a preview of the case against him ahead of time. giving these two cretins a plea is well worth potentially getting trump locked up in state prison, which the minimum sentence would call for

UnfairRepresent posted...

Them both getting probation is bullshit

there's no justice

I'm perfectly willing to let a few small fry go if we land that fat orange lunker.

Trump needs to go down hard for his crimes. If he doesn't, America's days as a democracy are numbered.

bover_87 posted...

The defense will have access to basically all evidence the prosecution plans to use at trial, but otherwise this so hard. We want the kingpin, not the street pusher.

they will have access when discovery is turned over but they won't know the trial strategy, which they would have gotten if kraken and cheesebro had gone to trial

I think the best outcome is trump being disqualified from holding office, if not spending time in prison.

I dont blame people for being jaded about the early pleas being lenient and dismissing people saying to not worry because there are bigger fish at risk. Because weve seen this play out before and weve had these topics/posts gloating about Manafort and the impeachment trial only for nothing major to materialize

KitKats posted...

I think the best outcome is trump being disqualified from holding office

Theres no president for that.

So both Cheesebro and Powell have taken plea deals. The one for Powell is big because she was very close to Trump and part of his circle, she's promised to be honest in her answers for the prosecution regarding the case.

punkfanalways posted...

Theres no president for that.

Assuming you meant precedent, there's no precedent for anything until it happens for the first time. Using the fact that there's no precedent for something and that's why you can't do it now or can never do it would lead to no advancement or progress on anything.

Sometimes you just have to be brave enough to be the first, such as if anybody regarding Trump's trials is brave enough to have him locked up if he violates their gag orders.

And as our Christo-fascist controlled Supreme Court showed us, precedent doesn't mean anything at all and has 0 value beyond what we assign to it.

Who was the first guilty plea in this of the 3? Can't seem to find it, always thought Powell was the first to topple.

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Who was the first guilty plea in this of the 3? Can't seem to find it, always thought Powell was the first to topple.

No, the Bad Guy Scott Hall.

TimeForAction posted...

I dont blame people for being jaded about the early pleas being lenient and dismissing people saying to not worry because there are bigger fish at risk. Because weve seen this play out before and weve had these topics/posts gloating about Manafort and the impeachment trial only for nothing major to materialize

We can safely surmise that the Georgia prosecutor has the right intent here, to give these plea deals in exchange for cooperation that will strengthen the case against Trump and his inner circle. Whether it will actually result in a guilty verdict & any kind of substantial sentence for Trump is something we don't know yet.

The light sentences are probably also there to encourage as many guilty pleas as soon as possible. If they can get like 10 people to plead guilty before trial starts that's so much less work they have to do and much easier to pin Donald Trump.

UnsteadyOwl posted...

We can safely surmise that the Georgia prosecutor has the right intent here, to give these plea deals in exchange for cooperation that will strengthen the case against Trump and his inner circle. Whether it will actually result in a guilty verdict & any kind of substantial sentence for Trump is something we don't know yet.

I've heard both defense attorneys and former prosecutors talk about how it's very common in RICO cases with a lot of defendants to start dwindling them down with plea deals once they start flipping and cooperating. Also that it's a domino effect, and after the first one does it you'll see more because people realize they might be SOL.

So far it seems like their experience/expertise checks out.

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Is this Pooh?

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Trust the PLAN(tm)!

Kradek posted...

I've heard both defense attorneys and former prosecutors talk about how it's very common in RICO cases with a lot of defendants to start dwindling them down with plea deals once they start flipping and cooperating. Also that it's a domino effect, and after the first one does it you'll see more because people realize they might be SOL.

So far it seems like their experience/expertise checks out.

Same for me. I follow a handful of people in the legal field in social media and have been listening to what they've said about these cases. So far they've been pretty accurate.

Kradek posted...

So both Cheesebro and Powell have taken plea deals. The one for Powell is big because she was very close to Trump and part of his circle, she's promised to be honest in her answers for the prosecution regarding the case.

Assuming you meant precedent, there's no precedent for anything until it happens for the first time. Using the fact that there's no precedent for something and that's why you can't do it now or can never do it would lead to no advancement or progress on anything.

Sometimes you just have to be brave enough to be the first, such as if anybody regarding Trump's trials is brave enough to have him locked up if he violates their gag orders.

And as our Christo-fascist controlled Supreme Court showed us, precedent doesn't mean anything at all and has 0 value beyond what we assign to it.

Ummmmm you do realise a judge cant just invent a new law right?

punkfanalways posted...

Ummmmm you do realise a judge cant just invent a new law right?

They wouldn't be making up a law. A law already exists.

punkfanalways posted...

Ummmmm you do realise a judge cant just invent a new law right?

It wouldn't be a new law, it would be a ruling on the interpretation of the Constitution. There's already wording in the Cons. that prevents people from ever holding public office, one of those qualifiers is insurrection against the U.S.

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights

• Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
• No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

We've never had a POTUS do what Trump has done so that's why there's no precedent for it. The problem is people like you want President's to be treated like kings above reproach.

punkfanalways posted...

Ummmmm you do realise a judge cant just invent a new law right?

Well not out of thin air with a decree based off of nothing, no. But if a case is brought to them with no direct existing precedent saying otherwise(or sometimes even with it saying otherwise depending on the body)... Actually, they kind of can and do. It's kind of how some rulings go. Now, the ruling can be overturned, but that's what Case Law and Judge's Law is, no?

mystic_belmont posted...

Saw this on reddit:

Now watch me flip
Now watch me name names

lmao

Expecting a 4th within 24 hours.

Guide posted...

Expecting a 4th within 24 hours.

When people questioned charging all defendants and putting them on trial at the same time, she was called insane and other things, but we can see that defendants keep dropping.

mystic_belmont posted...

When people questioned charging all defendants and putting them on trial at the same time, she was called insane and other things, but we can see that defendants keep dropping.

Based off what I've learned I think it's just because most people don't understand RICO cases like the legal world does. Since it's Trump I'm sure it's the most attentive most people have been to such a case.

mystic_belmont posted...

When people questioned charging all defendants and putting them on trial at the same time, she was called insane and other things, but we can see that defendants keep dropping.

Yeah, actual law experts and practicing lawyers were explaining to people that in a case like this, defendants will be pleading out before getting to trial. More pleas coming together the closer to a trial date is, in fact. Like someone mentioned earlier, that may have been Cheesys game plan. Ask for a speedy trial to get the ball rolling, see what they have on me then cop a quick and early plea.

You know, I know he's a pos can we appreciate the fact there's a literal human being named Chesebro?

Well, it's Chese(like Chest) so it kind of takes all the goodness out of it.

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LMAO holy shit this reads like someone struggling to type while strung out on crack

King_Rial posted...

Well, it's Chese(like Chest) so it kind of takes all the goodness out of it.

Yeah... I'm still gonna pronounce it Cheesebro

luigi33 posted...

LMAO holy shit this reads like someone struggling to type while strung out on crack

Pretty much like the maga board before it was glassed. They were all on board that kraken train.

Kradek posted...

It wouldn't be a new law, it would be a ruling on the interpretation of the Constitution. There's already wording in the Cons. that prevents people from ever holding public office, one of those qualifiers is insurrection against the U.S.

Fourteenth Amendment Equal Protection and Other Rights
* Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office
* No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

We've never had a POTUS do what Trump has done so that's why there's no precedent for it. The problem is people like you want President's to be treated like kings above reproach.

Nice strawman there. Im not even from the US. Thanks for the clarification though.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Lawyers have been disbarred over drug possession before so it's definitely a possibility.

The US punishes drugs disproportionately harshly though.

punkfanalways posted...

Nice strawman there. Im not even from the US. Thanks for the clarification though.

Well you were arrogantly disagreeing with me as if you at least thought you knew what you were talking about.

If you don't want "strawmen" being made against you, then next time don't arrogantly talk out your ass and instead ask a question as if you actually want to learn something.

"Man talks shit and then gets miffed when shit is talked back to him"

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its a cult. Also, why is intestinal fortitude in all caps? ITS really funny.

My main worry here is getting some insane MAGAt on the jury rendering all of the evidence and testimony moot.

Otherwise, more people flipping is only bad for Trump and his inner circle.

CableZL posted...

Yeah... I'm still gonna pronounce it Cheesebro

Correct. It's Cheesebro. Always. It's like this where everyone is calling the manatee a sea cow and everyone is like, yeah whatever Cheesebro!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM_lrK4upvw

Nok_Su_Kow posted...

Pretty much like the maga board before it was glassed. They were all on board that kraken train.

Vigrim's constant cope after he lost his account bet to stop posting on 261 when he'd still post on 261 on the reg about how there are still lawsuits waiting and we don't know for sure if Biden will be removed from office like 2 years after the fact was hilariously pathetic. lol

Kradek posted...

Well you were arrogantly disagreeing with me as if you at least thought you knew what you were talking about.

If you don't want "strawmen" being made against you, then next time don't arrogantly talk out your ass and instead ask a question as if you actually want to learn something.

"Man talks shit and then gets miffed when shit is talked back to him"

Yeah IDK why he was accusing you of a strawman, seems silly anyway.

The whole reason this came around is because I mentioned trump (hopefully) being disqualified from holding office, and you hit the nail on the head with what I was referring to. Thanks!

Heineken14 posted...

Vigrim's constant cope after he lost his account bet to stop posting on 261 when he'd still post on 261 on the reg about how there are still lawsuits waiting and we don't know for sure if Biden will be removed from office like 2 years after the fact was hilariously pathetic. lol

LOL

I wonder how many are going to be taking plea deals on the next couple weeks. If I was any of the other defendants, I'd be begging for a deal at this point.

Newsmax finally had a spot about Powell I caught this morning, the lightest coverage as you can expect with bullshit lawyers ignoring context propping up the scenario that "she got the lightest punishment because she didn't do anything wrong and when she testifies she'll tell the truth because she's just so darn innocent!" Absolutely bonkers. And of course her and Cheesy are hidden on Brietbart's front page, so the articles are almost devoid of batshit conspiracy comments.

tbh breitbart is just following the pack on this one. the news sources i see are barely mentioning this at all, given all the other shit going on