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10/20/23 8:40:50 AM
#51:


I'm fine with sending aid, but they don't need weapons.

US gotta keep that death machine rolling though I guess.
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SimulationSwarm
10/20/23 8:54:41 AM
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YellowSUV
10/20/23 9:15:25 AM
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Source? No link to an article in the first post.

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ScazarMeltex
10/20/23 9:17:55 AM
#54:


Taking stuff meant for a country to defend itself from a genocide to give to a country getting prepped to commit one. Great fucking job.

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Irony
10/20/23 9:18:48 AM
#55:


Alt right centrist President Joe Biden

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UnfairRepresent
10/20/23 9:19:04 AM
#56:


YellowSUV posted...
Source? No link to an article in the first post.


The article was translated from a Swedish site but plenty of news organizations are reporting it:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1826128/Ukraine-israel-hamas-weapons-diverted

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The_shibe
10/20/23 9:24:03 AM
#57:


ScazarMeltex posted...
Taking stuff meant for a country to defend itself from a genocide to give to a country getting prepped to commit one. Great fucking job.

wow, this is a take

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Shadow_Don
10/20/23 9:26:01 AM
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ClayGuida posted...
Imagine if we just used that Israel money in fixing the housing crisis.

Its not because of military spending that we don't have better Healthcare or housing.

Its just republicans. If we took that military spending and aid back we still wouldn't get healthcare/housing.

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Dark_Arbron
10/20/23 9:27:52 AM
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Nukazie posted...
glad to see the US take action

Yeah, gotta keep their military outpost going.

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Dark_Arbron
10/20/23 9:29:00 AM
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The_shibe posted...
wow, this is a take

What's wrong about it? Ukraine is defending itself against Russia's attempt to erase it. Israel has been enforcing apartheid and ethnic cleansing on Palestinians for 70+ years. These facts match up with what that poster was saying.

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LoveLikeJazz
10/20/23 9:35:12 AM
#61:


Ricemills posted...
Let's see how this will affect the 2024 election.
Ah, yes. That's the defense, right wing will claim Biden supported Israel only to win votes, not that he genuinely supports them.

Some goofy spin like that.

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GeraldDarko
10/20/23 9:36:38 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
What's wrong about it? Ukraine is defending itself against Russia's attempt to erase it. Israel has been enforcing apartheid and ethnic cleansing on Palestinians for 70+ years. These facts match up with what that poster was saying.
I think Ukraine is loving the ATACMS we just sent them. Much better than artillery.

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UnfairRepresent
10/20/23 9:37:37 AM
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LoveLikeJazz posted...
Ah, yes. That's the defense, right wing will claim Biden supported Israel only to win votes, not that he genuinely supports them.

Some goofy spin like that.
You give them too much credit

they'll just say he doesn't support Israel despite the fact he does

And blame Hamas' terrorist attacks on Biden

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ZaruenKosai
10/20/23 9:53:04 AM
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The_shibe posted...
wow, this is a take
a very common one and not an unpopular opinion at all actually. Surprisingly shocked by the amount of support for Palestine and the amount of protest against Israel in American Citizens, based on the recent polls that is.
GeraldDarko posted...
I think Ukraine is loving the ATACMS we just sent them. Much better than artillery.
well they still need anything they can get, it's been 2 years and Ukraine is still long way off from victory, .

especially when a day ago, President Biden assured us he could fund two wars, which I know he still can, but like I said, saying you can fund two wars with no problem, than diverting funds/weapons kinda puts a wierd spin after just saying that, and , and how do we know Biden won't start diverting more weapons, a week from now we might see more weapons that were meant for Ukraine appearing in Israel.

Dark_Arbron posted...
These facts match up with what that poster was saying.
but not the views or opinions of the person you are replying to.

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10/20/23 10:06:42 AM
#65:


The_shibe posted...
wow, this is a take
Not wrong.
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OzNarcissus
10/20/23 10:21:22 AM
#66:


I like how the title says one name, but the quoted article lists a different body of government.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
10/20/23 10:23:34 AM
#67:


uwnim posted...
Does Israel really even need aid for this?


Exactly. Ukraine is fighting the Russian army/ mercenaries.

Israel is....pretty much massacring people and killing some terrorists along the way.

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10/20/23 10:25:05 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
On reflection once I posted the topic I felt it was bad taste to post a "funny" photo on the subject of weapon movements in prepreation for large scale military offenses that will kill thousands.

Would be like posting a picture of a soccerball on a story about a guy getting castrated in a barfight

Since when do you care about decency and good taste

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ThyCorndog
10/20/23 10:45:59 AM
#69:


blue button - help ukraine defend itself from russia
red button - help israel ethnically cleanse gaza

*slams red button*

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Foppe
10/20/23 11:12:02 AM
#70:


Logistically this was the best solution.
People will read the headline and think that crates of guns will ship from USA to Israel instead of Uktaine, which is wrong.
USA stores lots of artillery shells in Israel, which only USA can access. In return, USA promises to give some to Israel if they are in war.
A few months ago, USA decided to send the old artillery shells to Ukraine "in the near future" and replace them with new ones. Since they cant have empty storages, they wont send them to Ukraine until they have shipped the replacements to Israel.
Since Israel is now in war, and Biden visited Israel, they decided to remind Biden about their promise.
Waiting for the replacement shells before giving any to Israel can still take months.
So instead of shipping the replacement shells to Israel, they will ship them directly to Ukraine.

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Voidgolem
10/20/23 11:20:50 AM
#71:


a year's salary in manufacturing cost per shell, or thereabouts.Plus shipping/storage. Times two wars.

Tell me again how we can't afford things here. No, really. I need to see some justification on why the cost of Literally Anything Useful will ruin us forever.

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Irony
10/20/23 11:40:53 AM
#72:


The_shibe posted...
wow, this is a take
It's also a correct one

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Rexdragon125
10/20/23 11:53:56 AM
#73:


Voidgolem posted...
a year's salary in manufacturing cost per shell, or thereabouts.Plus shipping/storage. Times two wars.

Tell me again how we can't afford things here. No, really. I need to see some justification on why the cost of Literally Anything Useful will ruin us forever.
The rich are slightly less richer
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ScazarMeltex
10/20/23 11:59:00 AM
#74:


Irony posted...
It's also a correct one
He's been triggered ever since this whole thing started, by me in particular for whatever. Tried painting me as a Hamas sympathizer in one topic and anti-semitic in another. Like it's unfathomable to me how people cannot understand that you can hate Hamas and their actions while simultaneously understanding that Israel is an apartheid state engaged in ethnic cleansing and has been since the Nakba. That people can both oppose Hamas goals while acknowledging that Israel wantonly leveling huge sections of Gaza with the intent of making it unlivable for everyone (thus solving their Hamas problem they think) is an act of violence well on the road to genocide.

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Ricemills
10/20/23 12:20:45 PM
#75:


ScazarMeltex posted...
He's been triggered ever since this whole thing started, by me in particular for whatever. Tried painting me as a Hamas sympathizer in one topic and anti-semitic in another. Like it's unfathomable to me how people cannot understand that you can hate Hamas and their actions while simultaneously understanding that Israel is an apartheid state engaged in ethnic cleansing and has been since the Nakba. That people can both oppose Hamas goals while acknowledging that Israel wantonly leveling huge sections of Gaza with the intent of making it unlivable for everyone (thus solving their Hamas problem they think) is an act of violence well on the road to genocide.

I have the feeling that poster assumed that it was "taking from Palestine and giving it to Israel" instead of taking from Ukraine.

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SimulationSwarm
10/20/23 12:21:26 PM
#76:


Ricemills posted...
I have the feeling that poster assumed that it was "taking from Palestine and giving it to Israel" instead of taking from Ukraine.
Its best not to make assumptions around these parts

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Ricemills
10/20/23 12:25:58 PM
#77:


SimulationSwarm posted...
Its best not to make assumptions around these parts

I'm not known for having the best decisions.

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Srk700
10/20/23 12:27:58 PM
#78:


What a waste of resources. Israel is fully capable of committing war crimes without outside help.
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CM_Ponch
10/20/23 12:34:00 PM
#79:


Why the fuck are we sending money to the oppressors

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ZaruenKosai
10/20/23 12:40:40 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
. Tried painting me as a Hamas sympathizer in one topic and anti-semitic in another.
thats the most common strategy of the IDF, they even said Greta Thunberg was a terrorist sympathizer for showing support for palestine.

of course the IDF shills will use that tactic as well.

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10/20/23 12:56:54 PM
#81:


Foppe posted...
Logistically this was the best solution.
People will read the headline and think that crates of guns will ship from USA to Israel instead of Uktaine, which is wrong.
USA stores lots of artillery shells in Israel, which only USA can access. In return, USA promises to give some to Israel if they are in war.
A few months ago, USA decided to send the old artillery shells to Ukraine "in the near future" and replace them with new ones. Since they cant have empty storages, they wont send them to Ukraine until they have shipped the replacements to Israel.
Since Israel is now in war, and Biden visited Israel, they decided to remind Biden about their promise.
Waiting for the replacement shells before giving any to Israel can still take months.
So instead of shipping the replacement shells to Israel, they will ship them directly to Ukraine.
That doesn't make it much better.
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UnfairRepresent
10/20/23 1:19:30 PM
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He tried his best to justify it

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Patchwork
10/20/23 1:24:45 PM
#83:


The most foreseeable development of all time, really.

US needs Israel more than it needs a stake in Ukraine.

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ButteryMales
10/20/23 1:41:02 PM
#84:


Cruciferous posted...
my questions is why are we pretending the USA was ever going to do any different

USA has unequivocally supported Israel in the past and will continue to do so
Our alliance with them is vital to our presence and operations in the region
not to mention the crazy religious stuff involved.
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10/20/23 1:43:25 PM
#85:


ButteryMales posted...
It has to be this way. -Incell logic

But iiiiiiiin the eeeeeend it has to beeee thiiiis waaaaaaaaay

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UnfairRepresent
10/20/23 1:54:09 PM
#86:


Patchwork posted...
The most foreseeable development of all time, really.

US needs Israel more than it needs a stake in Ukraine.
This is your brain on Newsmax

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Inohira
10/21/23 3:58:41 PM
#87:


Joke president.

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UnfairRepresent
10/23/23 5:53:24 AM
#88:


And yet he's still better than Trump

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Patchwork
10/23/23 9:47:16 AM
#89:


UnfairRepresent posted...
This is your brain on Newsmax

Or just paying attention to foreign policy in any capacity since the 70s?

The U.S. has been moored to Israel for decades. That isnt going to change. The investment in Ukraine didnt start, really, until 2014.

Our government will always choose to support Israel first, if they have to choose.

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SayHeyyShohei
10/23/23 9:49:32 AM
#90:


Looks like Russia I mean Iran I mean Hamas got what they wanted

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Inohira
10/23/23 9:52:12 AM
#91:


UnfairRepresent posted...
And yet he's still better than Trump

You probably didn't tolerate Trumpers going "but Hillary" every time someone called out his embarrassing failures so I don't get why you think it flies in reverse.

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UnfairRepresent
10/23/23 10:03:37 AM
#92:


Inohira posted...
You probably didn't tolerate Trumpers going "but Hillary" every time someone called out his embarrassing failures so I don't get why you think it flies in reverse.
Will Hiliary was never prez, so a But Obama would be more valid.

However you're quite right, Trump being completely useless is not a defense of Biden being mostly useless.

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winged_weltall
10/23/23 10:12:08 AM
#93:


The_shibe posted...
Im telling you, Russia had to do with the Israel thing too

Most conspiracy theories are stupid - this one is very very likely to be the truth though. Classic Putin BS this shit I tell you.
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Nok_Su_Kow
10/23/23 10:16:00 AM
#94:


This looks bad for the GOP any way you swing it. They can't take credit for supporting Israel because of their ineptitude and they can't all of a sudden start criticizing Biden for dropping Ukraine support - which I'm sure Ukraine understands because they already knew the GOP wasn't on board with them anyway, and given the past few weeks they are likely more understanding of Bidens decision.

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CreepyGuy2007
10/23/23 10:19:18 AM
#95:


Rika_Furude posted...
Fuck the US and fuck right-wingers for doing this

Check which party is in power right now
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Nok_Su_Kow
10/23/23 10:21:30 AM
#96:


CreepyGuy2007 posted...
Check which party is in power right now
Literally no legislation gets passed if there's constipation in the House. So yeah fuck right wingers for not getting their shit together.
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UnfairRepresent
10/23/23 10:21:51 AM
#97:


CreepyGuy2007 posted...
Check which party is in power right now
Lol dude, Joe Biden and the Democrats are absolutely right wing.

There's like 10 major Democrat politicans in America who are left and they are pariahs.

If you think Republicans are right and Democrats are left, you've been fooled by propaganda.

It's alt right batshit insanity vs Right wing pro businsess status quo.

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reincarnator07
10/23/23 2:11:09 PM
#98:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Lol dude, Joe Biden and the Democrats are absolutely right wing.

There's like 10 major Democrat politicans in America who are left and they are pariahs.

If you think Republicans are right and Democrats are left, you've been fooled by propaganda.

It's alt right batshit insanity vs Right wing pro businsess status quo.
On top of that, the GOP hold the house. Stuff doesn't get passed without their consent right now, which generally involves the Dems meeting them half way. The middle of centrist at best and the far right is... pretty solidly conservative still.

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10/23/23 2:12:23 PM
#99:


Patchwork posted...
Or just paying attention to foreign policy in any capacity since the 70s?

The U.S. has been moored to Israel for decades. That isnt going to change. The investment in Ukraine didnt start, really, until 2014.

Our government will always choose to support Israel first, if they have to choose.
There's a difference between being cucks for Israel and needing Israel though

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