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Stallion_Prime
10/17/23 11:35:56 PM
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issue? from what ive read both sides are doing heinous things to each other. for an outsider is it best to just not take a side? or am i just being willfully ignorant by ignoring it all?

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Heineken14
10/17/23 11:37:12 PM
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The civilians being slaughtered.

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Zikten
10/17/23 11:37:14 PM
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Civilian side

Both governments are evil
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ThyCorndog
10/17/23 11:37:48 PM
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The innocent civilians caught between terrorists and genocidal fascists

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Stallion_Prime
10/17/23 11:38:41 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
The innocent civilians caught between terrorists and genocidal fascists
in some comments sections ive seen being still get verbally attacked for saying they support the civilians.

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Umbreon
10/17/23 11:38:42 PM
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The civilians who never asked for any of this.

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Ricemills
10/17/23 11:38:53 PM
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Obviously civilians, duh?

This isn't good vs evil children story. It's evil vs evil with innocents trapped between them.

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Strider102
10/17/23 11:38:55 PM
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Zikten posted...
Civilian side

Both governments are evil

Be careful, you'll get people coming in saying "So you support Hamas?" because they're complete morons.

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Stallion_Prime
10/17/23 11:39:36 PM
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Ricemills posted...
Obviously civilians, duh?

This isn't good vs evil children story. It's evil vs evil with innocents trapped between them.
thats true. i really gotta get my ass off twitter. they make it seem like its a good guy vs bad guy situation

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Strider102
10/17/23 11:40:33 PM
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Stallion_Prime posted...
thats true. i really gotta get my ass off twitter. they make it seem like its a good guy vs bad guy situation

It's anything but, it's bad guy vs. bad guy with millions of innocent people in the crossfire, and some have no way out.

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hockeybub89
10/17/23 11:41:29 PM
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No

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Umbreon
10/17/23 11:41:46 PM
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Stallion_Prime posted...
thats true. i really gotta get my ass off twitter. they make it seem like its a good guy vs bad guy situation


That's because Twitter caters to fascists these days. You may as well be looking on 4chan on what their thoughts on the Holocaust is.

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ThyCorndog
10/17/23 11:42:56 PM
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Strider102 posted...
Be careful, you'll get people coming in saying "So you support Hamas?" because they're complete morons.
I think it's a mixture of morons and propagandized folk, but I know for a fact some portion of them are part of Israels digital propaganda arm (maybe not here, but certainly on large websites)

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rags_alt
10/17/23 11:50:27 PM
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The people that just wanna live their life without being bombed.
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rags_alt
10/17/23 11:51:03 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
I think it's a mixture of morons and propagandized folk, but I know for a fact some portion of them are part of Israels digital propaganda arm (maybe not here, but certainly on large websites)
Oh, for sure. It's like insane.
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Heavy_D_Forever
10/17/23 11:51:27 PM
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Umbreon posted...
The civilians who never asked for any of this.
This. There are atrocities being committed on both sides in the name of religion. Unfortunately the beliefs on both sides are so strong and have been going for so long I don't see this conflict ending any time soon.

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Trumble
10/17/23 11:56:01 PM
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The only correct answer is the side of the innocent Palestinian civilians.

Hamas are horrific terrorists. Israel are even worse terrorists. The civilians in Israel, a democratic nation, have repeatedly voted for governments that continue to commit war crimes against Palestine, so they're not completely innocent either, although they are far less culpable than either government and at worst should face the brunt of economic sanctions, not violence.

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haloiscoolisbak
10/18/23 12:29:50 AM
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Trumble posted...
The only correct answer is the side of the innocent Palestinian civilians.

Hamas are horrific terrorists. Israel are even worse terrorists. The civilians in Israel, a democratic nation, have repeatedly voted for governments that continue to commit war crimes against Palestine, so they're not completely innocent either, although they are far less culpable than either government and at worst should face the brunt of economic sanctions, not violence.

This is kinda silly though. I'd hazard to guess the majority of Israeli civilians slaughtered at that rave were probably more left leaning (as rave participants usually lean progressive in my experience) and would probably not have voted for the current right wing leader

It'd be like if there was a big terror attack and then retaliation when Trump was in charge and saying the Hilary voters aren't completely innocent

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LaManoNeraII
10/18/23 12:39:04 AM
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Israel is a democracy, with rights for women, LGBT, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, freedom of education. Theres a reason western nations are supporting them. Hamas is a terrorist group whose sole mandate is death to Israel, death to the US. They are allied with other terrorist organizations and funded by Iran, another enemy to the US and ruled by hardcore Muslim fundamentalists who dont believe in any of there rights we have in the west. They are not freedom fighters

If the west didnt fund the Iron Dome, there would be millions of dead Israelis and Palestinians

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CoyoteTheGreat
10/18/23 12:40:41 AM
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LaManoNeraII posted...
Israel is a democracy, with rights for women, LGBT, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, freedom of education. Theres a reason western nations are supporting them. Hamas is a terrorist group whose sole mandate is death to Israel, death to the US. They are allied with other terrorist organizations and funded by Iran, another enemy to the US and ruled by hardcore Muslim fundamentalists who dont believe in any of there rights we have in the west. They are not freedom fighters

If the west didnt fund the Iron Dome, there would be millions of dead Israelis and Palestinians

Israel is an apartheid state. It isn't a democracy, period. You can't be an apartheid state, raise up one specific ethnicity and privilege them, engage in ethnic cleansing, and then call yourself a democracy.

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TetsuoS2
10/18/23 12:41:32 AM
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Trumble posted...
The civilians in Israel, a democratic nation, have repeatedly voted for governments that continue to commit war crimes against Palestine, so they're not completely innocent either, although they are far less culpable than either government and at worst should face the brunt of economic sanctions, not violence.

how does democracy work in Israel and what is the approval rating of the current regime?

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ironman2009
10/18/23 12:41:39 AM
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i'm not on either side. just keeping my eye on the situation due to the obvious escalation that will be happening.

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Ricemills
10/18/23 12:43:41 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
how does democracy work in Israel and what is the approval rating of the current regime?

Iirc the last poll was 56% voting for Netanyahu removal and he was facing trials for his corruption allegations.

Then the terrorist attack conveniently happen.

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TetsuoS2
10/18/23 12:45:41 AM
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Yeah I have issues with people just saying "they voted them in" while knowing how corrupt governments can be.

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Zikten
10/18/23 12:48:38 AM
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LaManoNeraII posted...
Israel is a democracy, with rights for women, LGBT, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, freedom of education. Theres a reason western nations are supporting them. Hamas is a terrorist group whose sole mandate is death to Israel, death to the US. They are allied with other terrorist organizations and funded by Iran, another enemy to the US and ruled by hardcore Muslim fundamentalists who dont believe in any of there rights we have in the west. They are not freedom fighters

If the west didnt fund the Iron Dome, there would be millions of dead Israelis and Palestinians
But no rights for Palestinians
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Foppe
10/18/23 1:02:48 AM
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TetsuoS2 posted...
Yeah I have issues with people just saying "they voted them in" while knowing how corrupt governments can be.
They are MAGAs that voted on their Trump, instead of fixing their problems they whine about Mexi... Palestine.

Ricemills posted...
Iirc the last poll was 56% voting for Netanyahu removal and he was facing trials for his corruption allegations.

Then the terrorist attack conveniently happen.
Netanyahu: We had no indications that this could happen!
Egypt: ...we gave you a warning...
Netanyahu: No warnings at all...
USA: ...you were warned ...
Netanyahu: Impossible to know...

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LaManoNeraII
10/18/23 1:03:29 AM
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Zikten posted...
But no rights for Palestinians

Many Palestinians live happily in Israel.
And apparently it was Palestinian citizens who traveled to and from Israel with work visas who provided Hamas with intel to plan their October 7th attack. Now they very well couldve been unwitting accomplices, Im not calling them spies

Ricemills posted...
Iirc the last poll was 56% voting for Netanyahu removal and he was facing trials for his corruption allegations.

Then the terrorist attack conveniently happen.

Im no fan of Netanyahu and I hope he faces justice for his corruption. Hes as bad as Trump. But I hope youre not suggesting this was a false flag

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boomgetchopped3
10/18/23 1:04:24 AM
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Im on nobodys side. Because nobody is in my side, little orc.
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FortuneCookie
10/18/23 1:07:44 AM
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Trumble posted...
The only correct answer is the side of the innocent Palestinian civilians.

Hamas are horrific terrorists. Israel are even worse terrorists. The civilians in Israel, a democratic nation, have repeatedly voted for governments that continue to commit war crimes against Palestine, so they're not completely innocent either, although they are far less culpable than either government and at worst should face the brunt of economic sanctions, not violence.

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NoMeLx22x
10/18/23 1:13:29 AM
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LaManoNeraII posted...
Many Palestinians live happily in Israel.

Citation fucking needed what the fuck are you talking about?

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Torgo
10/18/23 1:26:06 AM
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LaManoNeraII posted...
Israel is a democracy, with rights for women, LGBT, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, freedom of education. Theres a reason western nations are supporting them. Hamas is a terrorist group whose sole mandate is death to Israel, death to the US. They are allied with other terrorist organizations and funded by Iran, another enemy to the US and ruled by hardcore Muslim fundamentalists who dont believe in any of there rights we have in the west. They are not freedom fighters

If the west didnt fund the Iron Dome, there would be millions of dead Israelis and Palestinians

And yet they keep Palestinians in an open air prison, jobless, boxed in, brutalized, and impoverished.

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Zeeak4444
10/18/23 1:55:05 AM
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Thank god that dudes gone. I went to check the level and found out though, was he an alt or an actual account?

All I can say about that one is whew.

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10/18/23 2:01:12 AM
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sfcalimari
10/18/23 2:01:20 AM
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Trumble posted...
The only correct answer is the side of the innocent Palestinian civilians.

Hamas are horrific terrorists. Israel are even worse terrorists. The civilians in Israel, a democratic nation, have repeatedly voted for governments that continue to commit war crimes against Palestine, so they're not completely innocent either, although they are far less culpable than either government and at worst should face the brunt of economic sanctions, not violence.

You support New Zealand First, you are literally a boomer colonizer.

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willythemailboy
10/18/23 2:20:35 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
Citation fucking needed what the fuck are you talking about?
About 20% of the country is Palestinian. I haven't seen anything one way or the other but there's a good probability that some of the people killed in the attack on the music festival were Palestinian.

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Zwijn
10/18/23 2:21:04 AM
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You dont have to pick any sides. Of course one party is more wrong but it doesnt make sense to worry about every conflict on the planet, its not like you can do anything about it. You can go march the streets with flags but that doesnt help for the hundreds of other conflicts going on right now that arent in the news cycle. Its terrible but not worth thinking about.
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Kaiganeer
10/18/23 2:27:39 AM
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you shrug and wait for it to resolve itself, nothing you can do about it anyway
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Trumble
10/18/23 2:38:26 AM
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sfcalimari posted...
You support New Zealand First, you are literally a boomer colonizer.
The last time I voted them was long before this account existed so you're full of shit. The only parties I've voted for recently are Greens and ACT, mostly on the basis of "support whichever minor one will go with the major one most likely to win, so they're not governing anywhere near alone". The only other party I could see myself voting any time soon is TOP.

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TripleDouble
10/18/23 2:44:44 AM
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sfcalimari posted...
You support New Zealand First, you are literally a boomer colonizer.

Never heard colonizer as an insult before, when did this nonsense start?

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Ricemills
10/18/23 2:46:23 AM
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TripleDouble posted...
Never heard colonizer as an insult before, when did this nonsense start?

As someone from a country colonized by the Dutch for over 300 years, it's here for ages.

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Zeeak4444
10/18/23 2:56:03 AM
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TripleDouble posted...
Never heard colonizer as an insult before, when did this nonsense start?

its literally in the definition.

do you think settlers establishing political control over an area is usually taken as a good thing to another but the said colonizers?

I think the better question is when have you heard the term used as praise in any case outside a country celebrating THEIR OWN colonizer?

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Zwijn
10/18/23 3:02:14 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
its literally in the definition.

do you think settlers establishing political control over an area is usually taken as a good thing to another but the said colonizers?

I think the better question is when have you heard the term used as praise in any case outside a country celebrating THEIR OWN colonizer?
It fades sadly and history is written by the victors. Also depends on who survives. I live in a part of Europe that was conquered by the Romans by the sword. Almost nothing of the original culture is left, Western life in general is just Turbo Rome. We only see that as a good thing because it was long ago and the people they murdered are too far removed. Same goes for the Amazigh people in Morocco. Their queen got slaughtered, Islam was pushed down their throats and the current generation is probably the last one to even know about their pre-Islamic culture, their culture and languages are effectively dead.
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Dark_Arbron
10/18/23 3:03:56 AM
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TripleDouble posted...
Never heard colonizer as an insult before, when did this nonsense start?

Its a more polite way of saying invader.

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TomClark
10/18/23 3:23:48 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
The civilians being slaughtered.


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ChainsawFerret
10/18/23 3:29:21 AM
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Take the side of the civilians caught up in yet another war waged by idiot pols and their enablers.

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ZaruenKosai
10/18/23 4:34:12 AM
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Palestine. because palestine does not equal hamas , even though the IDF shills will try to force it down your throat that every palestinian is a hamas terrorist.
They try to pain Palestinians as evil scum to make their genocidal atrocities on them feel less genocidal.

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Enclave
10/18/23 4:37:22 AM
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Stallion_Prime posted...
in some comments sections ive seen being still get verbally attacked for saying they support the civilians.

Tell the people who are anti-civilian to get fucked.

I may be more critical of Israel in this mess because of the power imbalance but holy shit fuck Hamas too. It's the civilians that we should all care about.

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ZaruenKosai
10/18/23 4:42:03 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Thank god that dudes gone. I went to check the level and found out though, was he an alt or an actual account?

All I can say about that one is whew.
Good Riddance. It just kept spitting IDF Propaganda Rhetoric over and over.

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Bass
10/18/23 4:49:19 AM
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haloiscoolisbak posted...
This is kinda silly though. I'd hazard to guess the majority of Israeli civilians slaughtered at that rave were probably more left leaning (as rave participants usually lean progressive in my experience) and would probably not have voted for the current right wing leader
They could have been more left, but Israel is a strange place where a large portion of the young are pretty far right. It's the opposite of how it often is in western nations.

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CreepyGuy2007
10/18/23 4:51:19 AM
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TripleDouble posted...
Never heard colonizer as an insult before, when did this nonsense start?

I think it gained a spike after white tumblrinas found Black Panther
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