Current Events > Israel/Palestine war is the closest "same thing both sides" we'll get

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closing their border? Duh.

You left out that side one is bashing every innocent person in their way on the head to get to side 2.

Before I start, I am under no illusion that Israel is a "good guy" or anything like that. They have a ton of issues.

Things Hamas does:
-put tunnels under civilian buildings, connecting many of them.
-Literally put one of their main HQs inside a hospital.
-Tell their people to NOT go south after Israel told them to do so.
-Actively interfere with anyone who attempts to go south (reports include everything from blockades to them rounding up vehicle keys and ID documents). This picked up steam after Israel then restored water to the southern areas to further encourage people to get out of there before the land invasion begins.
-Launch rockets basically right from residential properties in the middle of the city.

The Hamas know what they are doing, by making it all but impossible to hurt them without hurting people who are not them. And they are doing this on purpose because it makes anyone who tries to do anything to them look bad.

Other things they did in the past include:
-Use infrastructure and other donations to make rockets instead of their intended purpose.
-When the EU funding directly improving their water infrastructure and built it themselves, they then just dug up the new pipes to make rockets with them.

It is very clear that the only value people have for the Hamas is to be a shield for them or to generate negative publicity for Israel, and that anything relating to their actual welfare is at best not a concern, and at worst is something they actively want if they can pin it on Israel.

At the very least, Israel does have some semblance of caring about its own citizens. Which is a remarkably low bar.

I am not aware of any third countries that Israel is attacking over this:

Yeah because the whole situation just happened out of nowhere. You're ignoring important context and so I ignored your silly little disclaimer.

r/israelpalestine

I just hope and pray that Israel goes out of their way to not target civilians. I hope there is some shred of humanity in Netanyahu's soul that clearly isn't in Hamas' soul.

Then you have no idea what is going on.

do tell then

Of course they should go after Hamas but can't they do that without civilians being in the crossfire? Israel doesn't care how many non-combatants they kill when going after Hama just like Hamas doesn't care about how many Innocents are caught in their crossfire.

Not spoon feeding you the news. Look it up.

translation: u made it up

Israel has previously been accused of using white phosphorus on a civilian population. During the 2008-9 war in Gaza, dubbed Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli military admitted to having used munitions containing the toxic agent on Gaza, but denied that doing so contravened its legal obligations.

Human Rights Watch has determined based on verified video and witness accounts that Israeli forces used white phosphorus in military operations in Lebanon and Gaza on October 10 and 11, 2023, respectively. The videos show multiple airbursts of artillery-fired white phosphorus over the Gaza City port and two rural locations along the Israel-Lebanon border.

Its a no win situation honestly. Hamas attacks without care of who gets hurt, Israel responds. Hamas then hides behind people as shields. So options are either bomb or missle strike locations based on intel, or risk more lives with boots on the ground.

sadly this is war, Israel will do what it feels is best, cause no one calls them out on it, cause then, those that call them out have to back up what they say as well.

likewise, Hamas isnt an country or an army, its an ideal, a goal. Every time one dies, he becomes a martyr and another will take his place down the line. There is no absolute victory over Hamas, cause it will always come back in a different form if needed.

Which means to kill Hamas, you need to kill everybody.

Which means to kill Hamas, you need to kill everybody.

Which means to kill Hamas, you need to kill everybody.

Its a no win situation honestly. Hamas attacks without care of who gets hurt, Israel responds. Hamas then hides behind people as shields. So options are either bomb or missle strike locations based on intel, or risk more lives with boots on the ground.

sadly this is war, Israel will do what it feels is best, cause no one calls them out on it, cause then, those that call them out have to back up what they say as well.

likewise, Hamas isnt an country or an army, its an ideal, a goal. Every time one dies, he becomes a martyr and another will take his place down the line. There is no absolute victory over Hamas, cause it will always come back in a different form if needed.

and all your neighbors and anyone else who look at you funny. Even if Israel completely takes the strip and decides to wipe the slate clean there, the idea remains and festers elsewhere in Iraq or Lebanon.

im not even sure if peace talks are a possible long term solution. This conflict doesnt want to end it feels like.

I mean, there is no context in which the atrocities both sides are committing can be justified.

If you are ignorant to the fact that Israel kills innocent Palestinians, that's on you.