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Humble_Novice
10/13/23 7:32:10 AM
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Do you believe it's impossible to stop the death of Palestine as a country?

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ai123
10/13/23 7:35:58 AM
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No.

It's a matter of the will of the international community.

The Palestinian diaspora is ~6 million.

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Dark_Arbron
10/13/23 7:37:50 AM
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The world is largely on board with Israel and its end goal of the erasure of Palestine. No one really wants to stop it in the first place, let alone would be capable of doing so.

Best case scenario is the survivors seek asylum in Jordan or elsewhere. Being driven out of your land fucking sucks but its still one step better than being systematically exterminated.

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The_Popo
10/13/23 7:41:49 AM
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It is far from impossible but still very likely.

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Zwijn
10/13/23 7:42:00 AM
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Even if the state itself ceases to exist I think there will be new groups and states that claim the area. This conflict will probably never end because of the areas importance to multiple religions. Wouldnt even surprise me if hardcore Christian groups want a piece as well eventually.
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SpiritSephiroth
10/13/23 7:42:13 AM
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The whole world has just sat there whilst Israel has done what its wanted for decades.

So without any outside assistance or aid, Israel would probably kill them all. I mean, you can't expect the west to be consistent in its values right?

Edit: Saying that, there is always an ideology. And you can't kill EVERY group in Palestine. All what will happen is splinter groups will spread to other parts of the world and more hatred will arise for what Israel (And hamas) have done tbh.

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TetsuoS2
10/13/23 7:45:41 AM
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this conflict has basically been going since whoever the fuck wrote the bible and the related stuff, this shit might outlive us all.

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ZaruenKosai
10/13/23 7:46:52 AM
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Dark_Arbron posted...
Best case scenario is the survivors seek asylum in Jordan or elsewhere. Being driven out of your land fucking sucks but its still one step better than being systematically exterminated.
But they arent able to do that , egypt wont let them in, no one will take them, and
israel will burn palestine to the groundl, including all those still left there... which they know , and is the whole point, you already know this as well.,

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dioxxys
10/13/23 7:46:57 AM
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You are taking about something thats been going on for hundreds of years, names may change but theres always been fighting over that land.
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Dark_Arbron
10/13/23 7:49:13 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
But they arent able to do that , egypt wont let them in, no one will take them, and
israel will burn palestine to the groundl, including all those still left there... which they know , and is the whole point, you already know this as well.,

I just said it was the best they could hope for, not how likely it is to happen.

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Zikten
10/13/23 7:55:55 AM
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dioxxys posted...
You are taking about something thats been going on for hundreds of years, names may change but theres always been fighting over that land.
Summary of that
https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=v1yA0yDLafXiV4p5

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Tom_Joad
10/13/23 8:02:50 AM
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ZaruenKosai posted...
But they arent able to do that , egypt wont let them in, no one will take them, and
israel will burn palestine to the groundl, including all those still left there... which they know , and is the whole point, you already know this as well.,

Why wouldn't they take them in? It's basic human compassion.

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Dark_Arbron
10/13/23 8:04:06 AM
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Within the next few days we might see the subject of refugees and whos going to take them come up.

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Foppe
10/13/23 8:07:46 AM
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Palestine is a country?

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UnrivaledKoopa
10/13/23 8:10:13 AM
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Gaza is not going to remain. West Bank, who knows? They have a chance, for now.

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PizzaPatty
10/13/23 8:10:40 AM
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Yeah it is sickening what is going on especially with the rise of right wing christians in america. This is literally proving that Islam is the true religion of peace.
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Dark_Arbron
10/13/23 8:16:40 AM
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PizzaPatty posted...
Yeah it is sickening what is going on especially with the rise of right wing christians in america. This is literally proving that Islam is the true religion of peace.

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uwnim
10/13/23 8:17:13 AM
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UnrivaledKoopa posted...
Gaza is not going to remain. West Bank, who knows? They have a chance, for now.
Yep

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Zwijn
10/13/23 8:31:25 AM
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PizzaPatty posted...
Yeah it is sickening what is going on especially with the rise of right wing christians in america. This is literally proving that Islam is the true religion of peace.
People will take this bait.
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CyricZ
10/13/23 8:35:31 AM
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Nothing's impossible.

Everything is a matter of will.

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Humble_Novice
10/13/23 10:01:38 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Nothing's impossible.

Everything is a matter of will.
I only wish that the Palestinians might one day find a new land where they can all live in peace.

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RyukSan
10/13/23 10:05:28 AM
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No
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hockeybub89
10/13/23 10:15:39 AM
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Yes when the world at large is ready to give fascist Israel their full backing to help complete their genocide. "Your millions of lives are a small price to pay to defeat terrorism. Yeah, Netanyahu is just as bad, but he benefits us more and his nation has more people!"

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hockeybub89
10/13/23 10:16:51 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Why wouldn't they take them in? It's basic human compassion.
What world do you live in where that still exists? And Egypt of all places?

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Guide
10/13/23 10:19:06 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Why wouldn't they take them in? It's basic human compassion.

joke post?

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ZaruenKosai
10/13/23 10:19:56 AM
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Humble_Novice posted...
I only wish that the Palestinians might one day find a new land where they can all live in peace.
There won't be any left.

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C_Pain
10/13/23 10:20:00 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Nothing's impossible.

Everything is a matter of will.
I can fly if I believe hard enough?

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Questionmarktarius
10/13/23 10:21:47 AM
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Foppe posted...
Palestine is a country?
No.
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GeraldDarko
10/13/23 10:23:48 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
What world do you live in where that still exists? And Egypt of all places?
The real world, not the 24-hour news cycle world.

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hockeybub89
10/13/23 10:25:40 AM
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GeraldDarko posted...
The real world, not the 24-hour news cycle world.
Ah so murder and oppression and hate only exists on the news? I'd say all the victims feel silly, but I guess you're saying they don't exist!

Your Disney movie fantasy world where people are selfless and loving is definitely real!

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Tom_Joad
10/13/23 10:31:31 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
What world do you live in where that still exists? And Egypt of all places?

I guess the question I have is "Why wouldn't Egypt take in refugees from the conflict?"

Obviously, they'd need help and other nations could take part of the flood. But geography means they're the reception center, basically.

Just like with Greece and Turkey and the flood of Syrian refugees a decade ago.

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GeraldDarko
10/13/23 10:34:36 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Ah so murder and oppression and hate only exists on the news? I'd say all the victims feel silly, but I guess you're saying they don't exist!

Your Disney movie fantasy world where people are selfless and loving is definitely real!
lmao what? Never said those things don't exist. You can have compassion and humanity in the world as well as murder and oppression. You said basic and humanity and compassion don't exist in the world. Do you not have those qualities?

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Shamino
10/13/23 10:42:52 AM
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Tom_Joad posted...
I guess the question I have is "Why wouldn't Egypt take in refugees from the conflict?"

Obviously, they'd need help and other nations could take part of the flood. But geography means they're the reception center, basically.

Just like with Greece and Turkey and the flood of Syrian refugees a decade ago.

Egypt won't take them because if they really wanted the Palestinians they would have offered them a place to live decades ago and defused the whole situation.

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MrMojoRising
10/13/23 10:43:28 AM
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It's possible...if the most powerful countries in the world weren't turning a blind eye to its destruction

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Dark_Arbron
10/13/23 10:44:50 AM
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MrMojoRising posted...
It's possible...if the most powerful countries in the world weren't turning a blind eye to its destruction

While aiding the one destroying it.

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MrMojoRising
10/13/23 10:48:26 AM
#36:


Foppe posted...
Palestine is a country?

Also this lol

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Foppe
10/13/23 11:07:05 AM
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Shamino posted...
Egypt won't take them because if they really wanted the Palestinians they would have offered them a place to live decades ago and defused the whole situation.
How would that solve the Jews killed our relatives and stole our land, they deserve to die issue?
Wouldnt it have started yet another war that was about this decades ago?

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DarthAragorn
10/13/23 11:11:43 AM
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As long as everyone in any position of power in the west blindly or intentionally supports Israel regardless of the atrocities they commit, yes, it's impossible

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s0nicfan
10/13/23 11:13:58 AM
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Why do people keep saying that this is going to lead to the death of Palestine as a country when Israel is exclusively engaging with Gaza and is otherwise leaving the West Bank alone? People have to keep reminding other people that Hamas isn't the same as Palestine, yet when Israel has an operation that's pushing exclusively into Hamas territory people start staying stuff like Israel is going to take over Palestine. Which is it?

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Foppe
10/13/23 11:16:44 AM
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Wait, people really believe that Palestine is a country?
Pretty much only Sweden that have accepted that in the western world.

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Ricemills
10/13/23 11:25:16 AM
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Foppe posted...
Wait, people really believe that Palestine is a country?
Pretty much only Sweden that have accepted that in the western world.

Seriously arguing semantics rather than the actual issue?
The State of Palestine is recognised by UN members.


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hockeybub89
10/13/23 11:26:50 AM
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Ricemills posted...
Seriously arguing semantics rather than the actual issue?
The State of Palestine is recognised by UN members.
They also participate in international sporting events under their flag.

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hockeybub89
10/13/23 11:28:33 AM
#43:


s0nicfan posted...
Why do people keep saying that this is going to lead to the death of Palestine as a country when Israel is exclusively engaging with Gaza and is otherwise leaving the West Bank alone? People have to keep reminding other people that Hamas isn't the same as Palestine, yet when Israel has an operation that's pushing exclusively into Hamas territory people start staying stuff like Israel is going to take over Palestine. Which is it?
Painting a home to millions of Palestinians as "exclusively Hamas territory" is just asking for an atrocity.

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AnsestralRecall
10/13/23 11:30:44 AM
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Humble_Novice posted...
I only wish that the Palestinians might one day find a new land where they can all live in peace.

They were forcibly removed from their home. Israel needs to move, not the other way around.
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s0nicfan
10/13/23 11:30:55 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Painting a home to millions of Palestinians as "exclusively Hamas territory" is just asking for an atrocity.

Is Hamas "Palestine", or is it not? Is Israel threatening the West Bank or is it not? Is invading Gaza but leaving the West Bank alone "the death of Palestine" or is it not?

It's "exclusively Hamas territory" because Hamas doesn't recognize the legitimate, democratically elected Palestinian government of the West Bank. The PA has no control or authority over Gaza.

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Questionmarktarius
10/13/23 11:32:38 AM
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Gaza was Egypt, until the six-day war.
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hockeybub89
10/13/23 11:36:12 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Is Hamas "Palestine", or is it not? Is Israel threatening the West Bank or is it not? Is invading Gaza but leaving the West Bank alone "the death of Palestine" or is it not?

It's "exclusively Hamas territory" because Hamas doesn't recognize the legitimate, democratically elected Palestinian government of the West Bank. The PA has no control or authority over Gaza.
This is a lot of weird pedantry to justify the displacement and genocide of millions of innocent Palestinians. "Well it's not all of Palestine and Hamas exists there anyway, so who cares? Price of war! Go Israel!"

And there's no reason to believe the West Bank won't be next when the Israeli government has the exact same stance as Hamas on ethnic cleansing.

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s0nicfan
10/13/23 11:38:26 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
This is a lot of weird pedantry to justify the displacement and genocide of millions of innocent Palestinians. "Well it's not all of Palestine and Hamas exists there anyway, so who cares? Price of war! Go Israel!"

We're literally in a topic asking if Israel's actions in Gaza means the death of Palestine when Gaza is a completely disconnected region that represents like 5% of the landmass of what would be the Palestinian state and is run by a terrorist group that is in no way affiliated with the Palestinian government. That's not pedantry. Try to keep up.

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Ricemills
10/13/23 11:54:04 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
We're literally in a topic asking if Israel's actions in Gaza means the death of Palestine when Gaza is a completely disconnected region that represents like 5% of the landmass of what would be the Palestinian state and is run by a terrorist group that is in no way affiliated with the Palestinian government. That's not pedantry. Try to keep up.

Yes and do you think they'll stop with Gaza?
Like the other Palestine territory that has been annexed by Israeli?

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s0nicfan
10/13/23 11:57:47 AM
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Ricemills posted...
Yes and do you think they'll stop with Gaza?
Like the other Palestine territory that has been annexed by Israeli?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

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