Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 6: Into The Kittenverse

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Totally stealing topic 6 on a whim weeee

Meow.

htaeD posted...

Honestly I expected you to answer with 'I know something weird must have happened, because I didnt try to kill anyone'

How many different ways can I say exactly that?

I do know something weird happened. That much was clear from even before I found out I was jailkept because Plum would have been an odd choice for the lone scum kill. But in addition to knowing something weird happened I find it odd that red apparently believes that scum will NEVER do something that isn't fully logical.

Dont think we need to be here just yet, but I get what you mean.

An update:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/5/AAXBdhAAE7P3.png

Just missing 4 flavors and 2 roles? Abacus/Isquen never claimed a flavor right?

htaeD posted...

Dont think we need to be here just yet, but I get what you mean.

The link was posted in the old topic, isn't that the universal sign to switch? It was a page earlier than expected, but it wasn't accompanied with a "switch at 450" message.

I suppose.

Aba claimed it topic 2, I think. Small Town Sheriff.

Im still baffled by BCT claiming to be roleblocked. I did not get an error message so my n2 BG of IGCD was successful. Vanilla claim BCT had to have been RBd directly.

Didnt chang only admit to it being a one time watcher gift during d3? If so, if scum wanted to take out a neighbor and both Chang + FD are town, wouldnt they be far more likely to block Chang n2 if they were trying to kill FD? I believe by the time n2 started, Chang had not clarified yet. Makes it seem less likely the goal was killing FD.

wallmasterz posted...

Makes it seem less likely the goal was killing FD.

Yes welcome to over 24 hours ago wallz glad you recognize something long established. Way to oay attention.

Sorry I guess that first paragraph was never in doubt according to BCTs claim because regardless of alignment BCT said the attempt to use his gift failed and he was specifically told he RBd.

But you werent told who you succesfully guarded I assume, IGCD?

I don't think BG would be told that no.

"your action was successful" just meaning that he did in fact bodyguard someone, but not "you guarded IGCD".

If everything BCT and wallz both says in true then the theory would be that wallz was actually guarding BCT last night, not IGCD.

I have not gotten a pm about either night action so far, so I assumed they were successful.

That's three meta strikes now. I'd be voting you thrice over if I could.

Cool

Isquen posted...

That's three meta strikes now. I'd be voting you thrice over if I could.

Me? Or Death? I was just clarifying to death that it would have been very odd for something like a BG to be told who their action was successful against.

Something like a scanner would be able to tell if they are redirected because they would say "Scan A" and receive back "B is Inno/Guilty", but I wouldn't expect a Doc or BG to be able to tell.

##unvote
##vote: wallz

Back to my first post of today, then. We've come full circle. Perish.

Checking day2 now just for refreshers
Already I can say that FD being verbose is not even a consequence of pressure on him.
He was verbose yesterday as well.
Though that only results in removing an assumed change from the FD behavior catalogue.

Also minor note
FD apparently spent all night arguing that Corrik was scum

Changmas, did or does any of that sound rehearsed to you now?
Because scum might have planned to shoot Corrik early on during the night

Following along with Changs I see everything in my neighborhood comment, Chang, when did you claim to tell FD you got a gift and didnt actually see everything? Or did you never leave FD with that impression in your neighbor chat?

htaeD posted...

Also minor note
FD apparently spent all night arguing that Corrik was scum

Changmas, did or does any of that sound rehearsed to you now?
Because scum might have planned to shoot Corrik early on during the night

wallmasterz posted...

Following along with Changs I see everything in my neighborhood comment, Chang, when did you claim to tell FD you got a gift and didnt actually see everything? Or did you never leave FD with that impression in your neighbor chat?

Chang has previously answered all of this inquiries. I'd be happy to help you find those answers, but I'd hate to be "talking too much"

I let him know in neighbor chat so he can just answer again himself, but he says he's busy until 5 or 5:30 EST.

ctesjbuvf posted...

BCT you do realize that FD being town requires Isquen to have protected him, right? It could also be Plum recieving two bullets, not sure how likely you find that to be.

That's why Isquen is bad town in one of my theories. But what you're saying presumes that there were two kills submitted, and that you know about something I don't.

There are two theories. Either we have a harmful third party or we don't. If we don't, then Isquen didn't need to have protected FD since Plum was the only shot, and thus is scum RB. If we do, then either both went for Plum or something else occurred. This is why, in my theory that we DO have that SK or whatever (and it could be that he has to kill every other night, think Han's SWP game), Isquen is bad town. Bad town as in spewing bad theories and not making any sense.

AGAIN, the first theory is Isquen + two more scum. Second theory is two more scum + Isquen being town + Red being SK or something like it. Isquen is only scum if we have no harmful third party. Could just be that there's a third party with a separate victory condition.

I honestly think Isquen or Red is the lynch that tells us the most right now.

PeaceFrog posted...

Hey bct, didn't you say last night that i had to be town because my role is too crazy? What changed? Feel some pressure from the scum board?

How can I get pressure from the scum board when I'm not there? That makes no sense.

You said something that made me raise an eyebrow, then I slept on it. That's it.

I think I missed an Isquen vote somewhere, but he apparently unvoted anyway

Anyway Votals, Unofficial
[2] FD - (Isquen), Red, (BCT), Sheep
[2] BCT - Ulti, IGCD, (FD), (FD)
[2] Wallz - (BCT), (Isquen), FD, Isquen
[0] Red - (Ulti)
[0] Isquen - (Ulti), (Ulti), (FD)
[0] Peaf - (FD)
[0] Ctes - (FD)

Those sure are votals, eh?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I honestly think Isquen or Red is the lynch that tells us the most right now.

We already know Red is not Mafia aligned. Lynching him tells us nothing new about the gamestate beyond whether Red is an SK (which is self-resolving to some extent) and I firmly disbelieve.

Where did the extra roleblock come from, if Isquen is Scum roleblocker? Why would he risk claiming to have blocked someone he didn't?

Sheep007 posted...

Where did the extra roleblock come from, if Isquen is Scum roleblocker? Why would he risk claiming to have blocked someone he didn't?

Yeah this is what doesn't make sense to me, and that could be why Isquen is scum. He could be making shit up that is based on what other scum roles have, but IDK what those would be. If they knew FD went nowhere and had no visitors, they could get away with Isquen making a fake claim like that.

But if Isquen is telling the truth, then someone else is the scum RB.

So maybe Isquen is the proper lynch if that's gonna help us solve the game. He could be scum but that also gives us a ton of info, and since we've killed two scum already we shouldn't be in any MYLO/LYLO types of trouble.

Once again the hangup here is that town with just a BP and BG feels woefully weak

Though I cant rule out that scum got lucky killing Lea before she could claim doctor, lol.

We still don't know what Lea was or what Ctes/Sheep are going to claim.

All the more reason for Peaf to do his Death Dive at get us Lea's role sooner rather than later.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Yeah this is what doesn't make sense to me, and that could be why Isquen is scum. He could be making shit up that is based on what other scum roles have, but IDK what those would be. If they knew FD went nowhere and had no visitors, they could get away with Isquen making a fake claim like that.

But if Isquen is telling the truth, then someone else is the scum RB.

So maybe Isquen is the proper lynch if that's gonna help us solve the game. He could be scum but that also gives us a ton of info, and since we've killed two scum already we shouldn't be in any MYLO/LYLO types of trouble.

Are you so entirely 100% certain that FD is Town that it's worth lynching the claimed neighbour over our only strong protection claim? I don't see why ScumIsquen tries to go 1 for 1 here - unforced 1 for 1s are incredibly rare for scum to try, especially when they're losing, and generally have a poor success rate unless you're a top tier player. I cannot imagine him having the time or the desire to come into a day looking for a deathmatch as Scum.

So there almost has to be scum 100% within BCT, Isquen, Wallz and FD.

I'm just not sure who or how many.

All of their claims just don't make sense together.

I'll also be honest, based on play FD is the one I like the most.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'll also be honest, based on play FD is the one I like the most.

He's put out the most effort. But its what I would expect from a player of his caliber.

Peaf did say he might not get anything back until right before deadline tho.

I'm fine with FD based on play and a lot of y'all probably know how much I tend to operate on gut and vibes sometimes. But in this situation I think we need to check the boxes and resolve what is the only known explanation for no scum kill, and to do that we need to lynch FD. I am happy to consider what to do if he flips Town and that's actively useful, I'm not ruling out that we're missing something, but ultimately there are so many things going against FD in terms of actions. Lynching the most powerful claimed role left at this stage instead is shooting ourself in the foot.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Wow. Yeah scum has to be hiding among inactives because these vote totals suck. Also when Red and FD were fighting no one else showed up, which is typically a town/town indicator.

##Unvote
##Vote: Isquen

No its not. Isquen is our only thing on the board accounting for a no kill. Hes not an option.

Sheep007 posted...

I'm fine with FD based on play and a lot of y'all probably know how much I tend to operate on gut and vibes sometimes. But in this situation I think we need to check the boxes and resolve what is the only known explanation for no scum kill, and to do that we need to lynch FD. I am happy to consider what to do if he flips Town and that's actively useful, I'm not ruling out that we're missing something, but ultimately there are so many things going against FD in terms of actions. Lynching the most powerful claimed role left at this stage instead is shooting ourself in the foot.

Gut and vibes mean complete shit when we have knowledge on the board.

Your gut and vibes are wrong most of the time.

This is a blanket statement true for everyone.

Also, to address your list individually, IGCD I've not seen anything from Isquen that makes me think he's Scum, Wallz has looked poor and is an okay option but I'd rather resolve the FD situation (and, again, killing a protection claim that's likely to self-resolve if true is probably a poor idea when we have what's essentially a guilty scan to resolve), and BCT I am... mixed on? But his play definitely matches up with being a little more chill, and his detachment is also rather characteristic of his Vanilla games.

BCT was pretty apathetic day2 yeah
He said it was because he was a nilla, and I do feel a slight uprise in his investment since he got that teleporter to play with (even if it failed)

But now I am wondering if that was just him being gloomy because scum lost Sbell and was about to lose Edumey as well.

You guys are the literal worst right now.

Gsme state says exactly what we do. Its blavk and white. But we're trapping ourselves in guts and feelings based on a player most of you are completely unfamiliar with.

I get your logic Red and I am not ruling it out as the right choice to make.
Its not like there is nothing else that might point to FD being scum
(Mostly the way day1 ended)

But I feel like 10 years is a lot of time for FD himself to change as well.
Or due to his gap in playstyle, a lot of time for FD to forget how he played.

To draw upon gut and feelings, this is giving incredibly strong grumpy town red who is convinced he is right vibes

We're not even getting into ignoring day 1 dumey.

FD was at the top of the vote and dumey goes and turns it to Sultan.

But sure. Lynch who you want cause you've got fucking feelings. Nevermind how often most of you have been on losing townsides recently unless someone better than you has a good game.

htaeD posted...

But I feel like 10 years is a lot of time for FD himself to change as well.
Or due to his gap in playstyle, a lot of time for FD to forget how he played.

This is crap. Just crap. This argument is literally full trash can. I actually hope somehow you are scum.

Sheep007 posted...

To draw upon gut and feelings, this is giving incredibly strong grumpy town red who is convinced he is right vibes

Fuck gut. Fuck feelings. Those are for day 1. Mafia is primarily a logic game.