Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 5: Don't worry, Slippy's here!

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I myself dont feel that the confusion around BCT's results are enough to condemn him.

I will admit that this leaves me with few directions. Something about the FD lynch sounds off to me, even though I understand the logic.
A lot of claims are made in such a way that begs for more time, which leaves me paranoid.
(For instance Wallz could still be scum, IGCD has basically nothing etc etc)

That makes Ctes and Sheep stand out, though its also bold of them to forego claiming.
I sorta liked Sheeps content today, but its not like he's been exceptionally town and Ctes I cannot get a read on other than neutral.

PeaceFrog posted...

And there's not much other claimed protection. I don't believe Ulti whatsoever, and i guarantee you scum sees right through his "oh I'm gonna use my thing tonight, don't try to kill me" because trying to kill Ulti tonight would be just as ridiculous as scum trying to kill bct tonight.

I didn't think it needed to be said "if ulti is town" because it was entirely implied by the fact that i said i don't believe him to begin with. Your perspective slipping thing here is just wrong because you are harping on one single stupid thing.

The SAME THING that sbell did when trying to pick apart my argument on d1. Copy your failed scum buddy less, buddy.

Delayed kills are possible, but I dont know if scum gets that along with that Looper role.
But that may be too meta an argument.

I realize my life is forfeit tonight since I *really* don't buy Wallz's claim, but I alluded to "kill it with fire" territory last night for people, and here's why.

General game state: the only known tracking/psychic/information/motion detection roles have been minimal or one use. Presuming there's a less limited one, we should look at tight-lipped folks as they may he attempting to hide this for scummy reasons.

Ctes - has been extremely tightlipped both with protection and vig six-shooter claimed to not draw any ire or fire. See above general game state.

Red - the audacity of pulling off a double kill uncountered. I do not want a game where we are leashing a SK.

FD - looks extremely bad through circumstances of being stuck in a cell overnight. I appreciate the chart summary attempt, at least.

BCT - I can't decide whether he's fishing for attention or being truthful, since unbridled hostility is the norm no matter his alignment. Being yelled at for even trying to think it through makes him look terrible.

Wallz - Something about his voting history and behavior throughout the game has been rubbing me the wrong way. Even discounting name meta there's other meta from D2 that makes me want to eject him out an airlock, but it's just that; meta.

Ulti - I have not heard a genuine town BP claim be on the level since I started playing here, and I've been guilty of it too. Most of them have been scum or 3P, and claiming it when we are unsure of a SK also is not town friendly. Plus, votes have been lazy.

Death: I can't put my finger on it. Didnt he mention at one point that he was able to give three different gifts? We've only heard about two, and the second one has caused the great confusion with BCT. I feel if it would help exonerate town that he should be more forthcoming with what he can do.

I made a mistake of timing trying to think this through, as I'm fairly sure my life is forfeit tonight unless I get incredibly lucky- I'm apt to both eat both the scum roleblock and the NK.

Peaf when did you want to visit the DTC again?

htaeD posted...

Something about the FD lynch sounds off to me, even though I understand the logic.

What the fuck do you think spunds off. You drop it at "something" then have fucking nothing.

Death this is a shit take.

Isquen, already explained why I didnt want to reveal the third item
Outside of the fact that so far I havent seen a role that seems out of balance with that item.

I will reveal it if democracy demands it tho.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

One is some combination of Isquen + two of Peaf, Ctes, Wall, Sheep, and Ulti.

Hey bct, didn't you say last night that i had to be town because my role is too crazy? What changed? Feel some pressure from the scum board?

Leafeon13N posted...

What the fuck do you think spunds off. You drop it at "something" then have fucking nothing.

Death this is a shit take.

I worded it badly.
I am just saying it feels too easy.
This may be a me-hang up.

This is literally FD's scum game as well. Hes got no problem posting walls of content overwhelming town to think hes this precious fucking active dude that you cant bear to lynch.

All circumstances say hes highly, highly likely scum. Dumeys end of day 1 point to him likely trying to protect FD.

None of FDs tangible actions point to him being town.

htaeD posted...

I worded it badly.
I am just saying it feels too easy.
This may be a me-hang up.

This is you having a moment of stupidity.

htaeD posted...

Peaf when did you want to visit the DTC again?

Was going to be about 12 hours ago but was unable to, and I've got a lot of work in the next 8 hours so I'm not sure if I'll be able to until right before day ends if at all.

I will also admit that I have little recollection of FDs style.
Do you know a recent scum FD game?
I dont want any blind spots.

Isquen posted...

Ctes - has been extremely tightlipped both with protection and vig six-shooter claimed to not draw any ire or fire. See above general game state.

I am actually confused what you're trying to say here. Is it just that I am have been tight lipped about what I am? I can give it if people really want, I have at least seen people argue both cases, but it is none of the things you listed above.

htaeD posted...

I will also admit that I have little recollection of FDs style.
Do you know a recent scum FD game?
I dont want any blind spots.

I dont get mental logs of games like that. But hes literally had a scum game where he posted maszive walls of content. Just fucking massive.

He tries to look like hes putting excessive effort and cant possibly be scum. Its his number one defense mechanism.

Isquen, if youre town, do you remember the last game we played together where you were very adamant about thinking I was scum? You didnt really focus on anyone else and you were pivotal to getting me lynched. And do you remember my flip?

Dont mind me, laying out my waking thoughts. I can't post in depth till EoD.

Like this thought I can't quite put my finger on. No one else has claimed a RB the normal way but IGCD. Could IGCD just be untargetable scum and scum lacks an RB? Because I find it odd that a D1 protection claim wasn't RB'd in favor of an unknown.

That actually sounds like scum me tbh.
Not that I disbelieve you.
But I want to find his past scumgames anyway.

wallmasterz posted...

Isquen, if youre town, do you remember the last game we played together where you were very adamant about thinking I was scum? You didnt really focus on anyone else and you were pivotal to getting me lynched. And do you remember my flip?

Oh, the one where you survived longer than me and the entire dead town chat was thinking you were going to throw until red solved the game for you?

Leafeon13N posted...

This is literally FD's scum game as well. Hes got no problem posting walls of content overwhelming town to think hes this precious fucking active dude that you cant bear to lynch.

I hadn't played mafia in ages before Ulti mafia.

I literally have not been scum in years.


htaeD posted...

Do you know a recent scum FD game?

There is not one. Red's faded memory of my ancient scum games are all he has and I don't approach mafia the same way I used to. I certainly don't have the kind of spare time I used to have.

I feel town has too many wacky powers already for there to be no scumRB

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I hadn't played mafia in ages before Ulti mafia.

I literally have not been scum in years.

Oh
Well I can still check your recent games for walls I suppose

I am on phone, so once again, anyone has votals?

htaeD posted...

I feel town has too many wacky powers already for there to be no scumRB

It could be some variant on scum rb as well. Very much meta at your own risk in this game.

Isquen posted...

Oh, the one where you survived longer than me and the entire dead town chat was thinking you were going to throw until red solved the game for you?

I didnt survive longer than you, I was dead but could still talk. I didnt have a vote but yes, red played well at the end. It was crescent deciding between red and Lea, and scum Lea gave herself up.

Not sure how thats relevant to my point, which is youve been relentlessly loud wrong about me before same way I was about red. Last time we played together. Its fine for anyone to think Im scum, you included, even though theyd be wrong, but best to not build your whole world view around it.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

. I certainly don't have the kind of spare time I used to have

Yeah you are putting in way too much effort in this one.
Forceful_Dragon posted...

Red's faded memory

Memory isn't faded.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I hadn't played mafia in ages before Ulti mafia.

I literally have not been scum in years.

There is not one. Red's faded memory of my ancient scum games are all he has and I don't approach mafia the same way I used to. I certainly don't have the kind of spare time I used to have.

So you are claiming you wouldnt try this hard to survive as scum, but as wrongly accused town youll supposedly find more time to fight to stay alive? not sure how I feel about that

Leafeon13N posted...

But hes literally had a scum game where he posted maszive walls of content. Just fucking massive.

That was probably 10 years ago. Mafia was different then. What was expected of people to be and appear active was different. My ability to stay awake until the wee hours of the morning quoting and responding to dozens if not hundreds of posts was different. I believe the game you are referring to was one of the Pokemafias where we were scum together and I did make a deliberate choice to inundate town with volume, but saying that something I did 10 years ago is "in my wheelhouse" is pretty crazy. Not only crazy, it's just wrong.

From YOUR perspective could I be scum? Of course, it's claimed I was in a jail and there was 1 less kill than expected.

But I'm not and there ARE other explanations whether you choose to believe in them or not.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

saying that something I did 10 years ago is "in my wheelhouse" is pretty crazy. Not only crazy, it's just wrong.

No. It is not.

Isquen posted...

Dont mind me, laying out my waking thoughts. I can't post in depth till EoD.

Clarifying. Working again until after end of day, so I'll only get to skim sparingly (I will probably get to look a bit closer after 7 when my workplace is hosting an offsite program- administration is likely to be sticking around longer today to suck up to the visiting author.)

You literally continue to write giant paragraphs where a sentence or two would do just fine.

BCT, I really would like you to tell what you think happened n2 if you suspects Isquen

Leafeon13N posted...

Yeah you are putting in way too much effort in this one.

I put in just as much effort in Ulti mafia a few months ago and I'm trying to prevent my OWN mislynch. You'd rather I just throw my hands up?

wallmasterz posted...

So you are claiming you wouldnt try this hard to survive as scum, but as wrongly accused town youll supposedly find more time to fight to stay alive? not sure how I feel about that

I'm not claiming that at all.

I'm saying that a decade ago I had significantly more spare time and I made significantly more "nothing" posts for the sake of appearing active. What I'm doing this game isn't that. At this point I assume none of you has properly read my large posts from last night. I don't expect you to take those posts seriously until after I flip, the same way I was not prepared to take Dumey's posts seriously on day 2 "until and unless he flipped town". Those aren't there to fill space or bore you into submission, they are there because after I flip you are all going to HAVE to read them and that makes me smile.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm saying that a decade ago I had significantly more spare time and I made significantly more "nothing" posts for the sake of appearing active. What I'm doing this game isn't that. At this point I assume none of you has properly read my large posts from last night. I don't expect you to take those posts seriously until after I flip, the same way I was not prepared to take Dumey's posts seriously on day 2 "until and unless he flipped town". Those aren't there to fill space or bore you into submission, they are there because after I flip you are all going to HAVE to read them and that makes me smile.

You literally are throwing up more text than anyone in the game. It isn't close.

Hell your own argument here doesn't even hold water because it is pong established. In part by you ages ago. That inundating town with too much text causes confusion, alignment be damned.

Ive been waiting to see if anyone was going to comment on BCT saying his flavor is Zuul, which the only Zuul I know is the villain from Ghostbusters. Would scum BCT openly claim his flavor? Admittedly, it doesnt seem as likely. But then again Ulti won as Thanos

wallmasterz posted...

Ive been waiting to see if anyone was going to comment on BCT saying his flavor is Zuul, which the only Zuul I know is the villain from Ghostbusters. Would scum BCT openly claim his flavor? Admittedly, it doesnt seem as likely. But then again Ulti won as Thanos

Flavor meta is dumb unless you have something explicitly saying it matters.

Thats fair, but still its weird coming from the only vanilla claim. If anything I found it interesting FD didnt comment on that despite being very suspicious of me also being a Mr.

Leafeon13N posted...

You literally are throwing up more text than anyone in the game. It isn't close.

Hell your own argument here doesn't even hold water because it is pong established. In part by you ages ago. That inundating town with too much text causes confusion, alignment be damned.

Because I'm trying HARDER than anyone else to ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED NIGHT 2.

You'll notice that my tempo changed as soon as Isquen's claim dropped right?
Because that's when things went from 'something odd happened night 2' to 'something odd happened night 2 and now i'm about to be mislynched over it."

If i was scum who had been roleblocked I would have already KNOWN what was going to come forward and I would have been a damn sight more prepared than I was. Instead what you see is me actually trying to figure this shit out on the fly.

And what have you done today red other than reveal your vig shots and bury me? Have you even TRIED to figure anything else out? You're going to look back on these 48 hours time that was wasted when you could have been looking ahead to figure out what is going to happen after you're wrong.

I know we're expected to ignore flavor. It just seems deliberate that all 3 neighbors are "Mr." something. It doesn't make wallz guaranted scum, but it was something I noticed after I put the rest of my thoughts together. Regardless of if it was a trap for town or a trap for scum it isn't "nothing".3/3 Mr. Neighbors was a deliberate choice made by the host. I'm not in the hosts brain so i can't tell you what it means, but it wasn't an accident.

Man I just went to check if rules said something about this and Blade literally said nothing about anything lol.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Because I'm trying HARDER than anyone else to ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED NIGHT 2.

You haven't figured out shit. You've made some stuff up in giant walls. While sleeping you got a bunch of lesser tier players highly engaged in a completely worthless conversation involving flavor meta.

It might have been the worst discussion of the day.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I know we're expected to ignore flavor. It just seems deliberate that all 3 neighbors are "Mr." something. It doesn't make wallz guaranted scum, but it was something I noticed after I put the rest of my thoughts together. Regardless of if it was a trap for town or a trap for scum it isn't "nothing".3/3 Mr. Neighbors was a deliberate choice made by the host. I'm not in the hosts brain so i can't tell you what it means, but it wasn't an accident.

The host didn't make roles on accident?

Brilliant thinking.

Never heard of this before.

Also there's the irony of putting me in a position where I have to say a lot to defend myself and try to prevent my mislynch and then using that very activity to say I must be scum. That's a really damned if you do, damned if you don't place to be and I'm just over here trying not to be damned at all.

That isn't how it works FD.

Mafis is a simple game you are actively choosing to stretch your posts out excessively.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also there's the irony of putting me in a position where I have to say a lot to defend myself and try to prevent my mislynch and then using that very activity to say I must be scum. That's a really damned if you do, damned if you don't place to be and I'm just over here trying not to be damned at all.

That's not entirely what he said. It was some people, me included, thought you look town for the activity. He's just saying it doesn't make a difference, as I read it.

Leafeon13N posted...

You haven't figured out shit.

Some possibilities:

1) Isquen is lying and I wasn't JK'd (this would have to be combined with something else on the list)

2) Scum shot Plum (for some reason, perhaps because of some suspicions plum had)

3) Scum shot ME (for some reason? Perhaps because people were starting to sound like they believed that neighbors were confirmed town thanks to PT cop and I was less likely to be saved than Chang)

4) Scum took an action that causes a delayed kill (poisoner)

5) Scum decided to no-kill but HAD some sort of mechanical reason (to unlock a future double kill? Some other kind of power up?)

6) Scum decided to no-kill for no reason at all (they were already losing and they needed to bank on the chaos of a no-kill night to shake things up)

7) Something else entirely.

Call it pointless conspiracies if you want, but I KNOW that something happened because I know I'm not scum. One of those things (or something else) definitely caused this situation and I'm not crazy for trying to figure out what it was.

Leafeon13N posted...

Mafis is a simple game you are actively choosing to stretch your posts out excessively.

That's just how I post, NAI

I tend to skew verbose, sure, but I'm trying to make sure I'm conveying my thoughts properly in a way that is less likely to be misunderstood.

There's a difference between that and going back to day 1 and quoting and analyzing every single post ulti made. (which IS something I've done as scum, though I think that was vs MSG)

You are saying "maybe these things happened" but skipping the point where you need logical readons for those things to happen.

Also scum does not get bonuses for no kills. This is established game rules. It is like putting in death miller.

Leafeon13N posted...

but skipping the point where you need logical readons for those things to happen.

You are assuming that a scum team will NEVER do something illogical? That's bold, but maybe you should make that assumption when it's your own life on the line.

I mean we did have a game in which a scumplayer could store up kills

Though if a 2 kill night happens now, at least it doesnt sound like its something Red expects.