Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 3: Oh no, Yamcha's been Yamcha'd!

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"Really man, you couldn't last like, 30 seconds?"

SBell has been Yamcha'd. He was Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper

Looper - You're a skilled assassin working for some shady serious bizness. You kill in a very unconventional way - Time manipulation. It's just a job, the whole "Nothing personal business", but it pays well. After eventually being ordered to kill... Yourself, you may have questioned the job a little bit, but.... Nah.

You are Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper.

Once during the game, you may target another player at night. If your action is successful, multiple effects will occur.

When the day comes up, the player will flip as having been killed the previous day in the game's timeline, but their role will not flip for anyone to see. Additionally, anyone who attempted to target them that night will be told their action failed.

Corrik has been Yamcha'd. He was Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor

One of the most beloved and respected men in the universe, but also quite possibly it's biggest fraud. You built an empire of admiration, and your ego kept it going despite you becoming increasingly aware of your own insignificance. Ultimately though, you're not a bad person, and slowly you've tried to bring yourself to a simpler life with simpler folk.

You are Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor.

Alive (14):

1. BCT
2. Chang
3. Ctes
4. Dumey
5. FD
6. IGCD
7. Peaf
8. Red
9. Sbell
11. Ulti
12. Wall
13. Corrik
14. Death
15. Mzero
16. Lea
17.Violent Abacus
18.Plum

Yamcha'd
Sultan: Dick Tracy, TOWN PT Cop (LD1)
Lea: (KD1)
SBell: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper (KN1)
Corrik: Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor (KN1)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to Yamcha. The day will end at 8pm est on Monday, October 9th.

Alright so I'm not sure what I was expecting the Sultan flip, but PT cop wasn't it. But if I'm reading that role correctly then that's a role that I effectively scan 'guilty' to by virtue of having access to a private source of communication (my neighborhood). And if Corrik is being genuine (he still hasn't said otherwise and I've been pressing) then he is claiming to not only scan guilty to the PT Cop, but ALSO to scan guilty to a regular ass cop? I simply cannot believe that there would be a town role that would scan guilty to two different kinds of scanning roles, so to my mind he must be a scum neighbor who scans bad to the PT cop by virtue of having outside communication ability and scans bad to the regular cop (assuming there is one) to virtue of actually being bad.

##Vote: Corrik

I also want to address Plum saying that I wasn't making "Town posts" at the end of day 1, which is either terrible scum hunting as town, or just actually scum trying to make me dead. Leaning towards terrible scum hunting as town because scum in that spot should be happy to let the Sultan lynch go forward. The only caveat is if wallz is scum and if scum in that spot is still worried that wallz might end up going down. So I guess with that in mind I'm not going to prep a point by point reasoning for why plum was out of line since my primary read is that he's just mistaken town.

And that's the end of my prepared remarks. If you're reading this message then that means I survived the night, or it means one of my neighbors did me the favor of copy/pasting my remarks to let my final opinion be known. If alive though, I'm gonna be hanging out with family and watching the fresno state game for most of tonight and will either check in very late or sometime tomorrow.

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I see Corrik is dead and confirmed town so that's a thing I guess. Can't deal with it now though.

FD spent all night arguing that corrik was scum and now he flipped town lmfao

Yamcha'd
Sultan: Dick Tracy, TOWN PT Cop (LD1)
Lea: (KD1)
SBell: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, MAFIA Looper (KN1)
Corrik: Mr. Satan, TOWN Neighbor (KN1)

soooo uhh is Lea dead or what's going on with that

##Vote: Lea

lemme just do that and see if that works or she's dead but with no open flip or day commuting or some nonsense like that

Oh look, sbell flipped scum!! Big surprise, not. For some reason I can read sbell better than seemingly anyone and people should listen to me when I say sbell is scum. Im sure he was exhausted due to his many thoughts from the first 40 posts of the game, 20 of which were ulti spamming. /s

I have a few people Id like to look closely at today and actually have some pressure applied to them by people other than me, but Im gonna re-read first.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Read the flips -_-

oh sorry got too hyped up at the actual kills i didn't even read oops

hmmm this is very strange.

why would they kill Lea of all people? did she accidentally hint at being power?

she was going to be one of my top suspects today

wallmasterz posted...

Oh look, sbell flipped scum!! Big surprise, not. For some reason I can read sbell better than seemingly anyone and people should listen to me when I say sbell is scum. Im sure he was exhausted due to his many thoughts from the first 40 posts of the game, 20 of which were ulti spamming. /s

I have a few people Id like to look closely at today and actually have some pressure applied to them by people other than me, but Im gonna re-read first.

You literally got off of him and never brought him up again. This reads like a scum mate who was surprised to see him die.

I knew i should have trusted my gut yesterday.

##Vote: Wallz

time for you to die

oh btw we found out at the beginning of the night that someone who dies gets deleted from the chat so Corrik is no longer with us.

so let me try and compile some of corrik's thoughts here. He didn't want to write a post-death note like FD and I did (he said "He who prepares the obit for no reason and is scum is just playing for dramatics") but i tried to ask him some questions to at least get some insight:

I asked "anything you want to let the people know, Corrik?" and he said "Stop being stupid and killing obvious town. I haven't even read end of day yet tbqh. I'll wait to see if I am dead or not before I commit to that but I can't see being shot. FD keeps role fishing me so it's possible but who would shoot a poorly lowly miller"

"It's interesting FD had no real analysis about the end of the day in his death write up or the entire game state. Just all me and a small plum bit"

"I feel like FD got saved. But I don't feel good about your play either chang. I'm a tad sad that FD has been hostile this game. Just saw he called someone else an idiot during the game as well. Calm down, bruh. You have to know full well saying "I'm town" doesn't mean anything. That's BCT levels of response. It's natural to be suspected when your alignment is unknown. It's kinda off-putting for someone of your caliber to have newbie like responses to natural suspicion."

"Pretty much. BCT isn't looking good imo but not sure.I think he knew Sultan was town, but I wouldn't expect him to know that. I only have a gut read that one of Death or Corrik is scum. Also think Sultan is just town trying to get lynched for Champs. Not really how gut works and seems to know Sultan is town imo"

(i asked for thoughts on Red)

"Red isn't generally readable day 1. He doesn't do shit until he gets enough information to make assessments. He doesn't start to become readable until later. Hostility is a town tell of red though. He gets all pissed off and pissy when he thinks people aren't listening to him when he is town.
It's something I have weighed with FD. He has been openly hostile to anyone at all that would question him being town. Is that a townnnn trait for him or other alignment. It's peculiar how often and quickly it has descended to there."

UltimaterializerX posted...

lmao you can take a better victory lap than this

Im number one! Im number one!
shakes butt in every townies face

Alright now thats out of the way. I have a town lean on ulti, but with Lea gone and clearly having been town, ulti I dont think you ever properly addressed Leas concern that you were too quick to conclude your testing of BCT. You said you hoped for reads on everyone else, BCT said go ahead and vote me, I dont care! And you immediately unvoted and said weeeell, that was easy, time to pack up and go home. What was up with that? You know damn well most peoples response is BCT gonna BCT, its a null tell for him. And its safe to assume scum knows it well enough theyd be unlikely to get opportunistic about such a reaction too.

BCT . Cue X-Files I want to believe but I am at a slight scum lean due to his unprecedented chillness with some of his being suspected. Likely not the highest priority of the day, in either case. Will pay closer attention during ongoing re-read

changmas posted...

she was going to be one of my top suspects today

Yeah same. I'm glad to be vindicated on sbell but am very surprised by Lea.

anyways that being said here's the post you would have gotten from FD or Corrik if i were dead:

If you're reading this it's because I'm dead now. Here's everything I can contribute from my understanding of how day 1 played out:

Town locks: plum, IGCD, ulti
Town lock but is Death so I'm always cautious and someone else needs to corroborate: Death
Very likely town: Abacus, probably BCT too but less sure literally don't even bother with the top 3 people i guarantee they are town or at bare minimum definitely not scum

unless you have night actions suggesting otherwise I don't think you should lynch anyone who didn't end the day on Sultan.

You have 6 options here, and i'd guess around 2 or 3 of them are scum:

Red: red spent almost the entire day either talking about how to visit disneyland best or being surprised at people's word choice in completely random posts. he voted sultan for being "kind of a quiet one" and then skipped deadline. That's an extremely poor showing, even by red's day 1 standards.

Lea: Lea was more afk and less funny than usual, which are probably both bad signs. Then out of virtually nowhere, she showed up at the end to really lead the charge on Sultan. If scum, she probably has the extra kill or another 1-use type of ability she can get out of the way on Night 1 and then is prepared to die on day 2 lynch if necessary.

Dumey: Dumey, despite his analytical reputation, didn't really seem to bring much of that to this lynch. he kind of put the onus on other people to make arguments and then let himself get persuaded on one. possibly a scum mentality but i don't feel particularly strongly about him rn

Wallz: just kill this guy already man just trust me ok please

Peaf: peaf's vote honestly makes no sense to me. he was on board with voting for wallz and then suddenly swaps to sultan because of some flimsy reasoning about lea and sultan having a history of bussing. There wasn't even another candidate gaining steam! absolutely no reason to swap votes to sultan if you were fine with wallz or sultan lynch. just a very very strange move, and he frames it as being led to do so by dumey. but dumey was asking Peaf why he should swap to Wallz!

FD: FD is currently in the lead ahead of Corrik in terms of which of my neighbors I'm most suspicious of. partially because his opinions are so so soooo different from mine on basically every player in the game, and partially because he intends to start gunning after corrik tomorrow which i think is a total waste of time on day 2 when we have literally just experienced a very strange lynch on day 1 which was so so subject to scum manipulation

so anyways start looking at people in roughly this order plz: Wallz > Lea > Peaf > Red > FD > Dumey

and good luck!

(obviously you can disregard the part about Lea now)

Peaf, if youre town, do what you want with your vote but for the love of god do more than just tunnel me. Provide reads, attempt to solve the game. A lot of your content is geared towards sbell, who is dead, and me, who is town.

And if anyone is still foolish enough to bus sbell as his scummate, especially when hes only on one other persons radar, I pity them.

I hate mafia players

Chang, youre very wrong bro. Your top two are definitely town. Can we see your bottom two so we know who to actually investigate?

wallmasterz posted...

Chang, youre very wrong bro. Your top two are definitely town. Can we see your bottom two so we know who to actually investigate?

very well. i wanted to be patient here and wait for him to show up organically but i'm too excited about this and plus you're prompting me here

wallz, will you be a dear for me and ping Dumey in the scum discord so he can show up and answer why I saw him visiting Corrik's house in my neighborhood last night

Initial thought is this is a scum post

PeaceFrog posted...

+1

I like Dumey's like of thought on corrik. Not sure right now if i necessarily agree with it or not, but it's a good viewpoint to bring up.

Sbell has been very under the radar today. When he's been here it's been of little substance.

Sbell had no chance of being lynched when this was posted and I assume scum would be more acutely aware he was missing right after chang agrees. Possibly scummy there as well but slightly less likely

changmas posted...

very well. i wanted to be patient here and wait for him to show up organically but i'm too excited about this and plus you're prompting me here

wallz, will you be a dear for me and ping Dumey in the scum discord so he can show up and answer why I saw him visiting Corrik's house in my neighborhood last night

Im not in the scum discord, dude. Pls open your mind to the possibility you are wrong. Because you are wrong.

Assuming youre being truthful, and I dont have a reason to believe otherwise, I wouldve tried to sit on that info to get info, but I understand the impatience on your part and suspect I wouldve blurted it out immediately lol. And if that did indeed happen it seems likely you caught the scum dead in their tracks, so nicely done.

The other problem is Sbell obviously went with a strategy of apathy because everyone else was apathetic.

thats not good. It probably means some of the apathetic players are town as they arent all going to be scum. Mzero? Abacus?

Just a pretty frustrating situation

ok i definitely should have waited that was really stupid of me actually

now he has prep time i am an idiot

changmas posted...

ok i definitely should have waited that was really stupid of me actually

now he has prep time i am an idiot

yes, I would have just demanded a claim

but at this point I think we are pot commited and have to just lynch him. He obviously will claim scanner or something

masterplum posted...

yes, I would have just demanded a claim

but at this point I think we are pot commited and have to just lynch him. He obviously will claim scanner or something

ye my bad. though in reality not sure how much it changes things really

Correct, I dont think any amount of prep time could help a scum Dumey. Hes clearly not protection because, well, *gestures to corriks corpse*. Not really sure if we have a standard cop or not due to Sultans flip. Cop, if there is a cop, do not out yourself if Dumey fake claims cop. Nothing Dumey said made it seem likely hed scan Corrik anyway. If he is unlucky town that sucks but we cant really give the benefit of the doubt at this point.

changmas posted...

Town lock but is Death so I'm always cautious and someone else needs to corroborate: Death

I still feel the same as yesterday - Death is my strongest town lock besides myself

the odds of ninja + whatever town investigative type role he will claim vs. simply Dumey being the killer is very much not in his favor

Well you spilled the beans on you being watcher instead of tracking lol although that was the logical assumption vs tracking Dumey

who says i'm a watcher

True, and Im guessing its a single use role?

wallmasterz posted...

True, and Im guessing its a single use role?

let's just say i know everything that happens in my neighborhood

I would like to get actual thoughts from the half the game that has barely chimed in so far, but my vote will very much be on Dumey

So... is Lea dead? That's a valid question. What I'm reading in that flip is that SBell can go back in time and make it seem like somebody's dead, but they're not actually dead? Or... am I misreading, and that person is actually dead?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

So... is Lea dead? That's a valid question. What I'm reading in that flip is that SBell can go back in time and make it seem like somebody's dead, but they're not actually dead? Or... am I misreading, and that person is actually dead?

They are dead when that happens.

I'm good with a dumey lynch. Frankly i think that d1 makes a lot more sense from my pov if it's him and wallz. But admittedly that would mean wallz had a way worse d1 than his last scum game.

Okay, so Lea being in the playerlist is a mistake, and the 14 is correct. Gotcha.

Yeah that gave me a headache. Gonna have to watch Looper to fully "get it." May do that tomorrow. Stay tuned!

Peaf: peaf's vote honestly makes no sense to me. he was on board with voting for wallz and then suddenly swaps to sultan because of some flimsy reasoning about lea and sultan having a history of bussing. There wasn't even another candidate gaining steam! absolutely no reason to swap votes to sultan if you were fine with wallz or sultan lynch. just a very very strange move, and he frames it as being led to do so by dumey. but dumey was asking Peaf why he should swap to Wallz!

Peaf these are very valid thoughts from a nearly town confirmed Chang. You should address them

Especially in light of Dumey being basically confirmed as scum

I'm interpreting it as a janitor. But would be interesting to know how sbell died. If he blew up on a Lea bomb again, then this timeline has really gone off the rails.

I think going after Dumey today makes sense unless he has a (non-)killer explanation.

But i don't care how much i frustrate you, Wallz. I said yesterday that you and sbell were linked. You did some lazy distancing, sbell reacted a lot more strongly to my vote than to yours, and his name was ignored when i tried suggesting him at day end. So yes, I think you are scum. Tough. I am not tunneled on you just because I'm focusing on you.

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf: peaf's vote honestly makes no sense to me. he was on board with voting for wallz and then suddenly swaps to sultan because of some flimsy reasoning about lea and sultan having a history of bussing. There wasn't even another candidate gaining steam! absolutely no reason to swap votes to sultan if you were fine with wallz or sultan lynch. just a very very strange move, and he frames it as being led to do so by dumey. but dumey was asking Peaf why he should swap to Wallz!

Peaf these are very valid thoughts from a nearly town confirmed Chang. You should address them

Just because you have an easy excuse to bus a mate right now doesn't mean i have all the time in the world.

Sure, I'll address them at some point. I thought Chang was town yesterday even before the neighborly revelation. So cool off, dude.

Last time I was correct about sbell being scum, I absolutely nailed the read noticing Lea faked sbell suspicion then backed off. Nobody gave a shit until crescent replaced in and got momentum going on the eventual scumbell lynch. I said my peace about sbell this game and moved on, because no one seemingly cares about my strong reads unless its a scan or some shit.

My next scum game, I fully plan on making it my best yet. So for you to say hmmm this is worse than Wallz last scum game by a fair bit, its like youre so close! I have grown a lot playing as scum I didnt just go half a mile back in the wrong direction. If youre town stop focusing in the wrong direction, if youre scum stop using me as cheap content.

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Ah s***. I'm playing games with friends right now and can't really stop to chat. Was just looking at the flips via my phone and saw Chang's info.

Not gonna drag it out. I am Ryotaro Dojima, TOWN Veteran Detective. I can investigate one player and see if they have the ability to move at night. Don't get to see if they did move, or where, just whether they can. Essentially a vanilla scanner.

Corrik was my number 1 suspect the previous day and who I wanted to lynch in the first place, but the only other claims after Sultan died was Abacus, who I already (or could reasonably assume) knew he moved. So I decided to choose one of the neighbor trio. And Corrik was the obvious choice of the three.

If Sultan had truthfully claimed his role, I would have backed him up, but oh well. My only defense is that if I were scum, I wouldn't want to kill Corrik after that D1. A lot of my effort went into building a case on him, and the whole Untrustful Neighbor Circle thing means that there's good reason for letting them implode themselves, if you're scum.

I wanted to come into today questioning Abacus for not removing his joke vote on me when he checked in, and Red for sitting on Sultan and disappearing at a very convenient time right before deadline when people were starting to ask him questions.

Please don't be too hasty with votes.