Current Events > Hindu activists succeed in killing anti-Caste discrimination bill in California

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CruelBuffalo
10/07/23 5:09:19 PM
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https://twitter.com/erichejourno/status/1710743197683777608

https://twitter.com/hinduamerican/status/1710744448681058750
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008Zulu
10/07/23 5:10:57 PM
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So they tried to introduce a bill to make something illegal, that was already illegal?

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Crimson_Corsair
10/07/23 5:12:32 PM
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I'm confused... is this good or bad?

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David1988
10/07/23 5:13:28 PM
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Crimson_Corsair posted...
I'm confused... is this good or bad?


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Doe
10/07/23 5:14:21 PM
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Jarvis, calculate the caste makeup of the Hindu American Foundation leadership

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Null_Gain
10/07/23 5:24:56 PM
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I didn't think ultra conservative Hindis had that kind of political leverage in California.

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Doom_Art
10/07/23 5:30:48 PM
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Extremely disappointing.

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Solar_Crimson
10/07/23 5:32:13 PM
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They say that caste discrimination is already covered by existing laws, but it was clearly an issue if an entirely separate bill had to be created to address it.

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JuanCarlos1
10/07/23 5:34:15 PM
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Sounds like something thats already outlawed BUT they still practice it between themselves...because duh Indian caste applies only to Indians

But I can Imagine them not hiring them another indian based on their caste.

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C_Pain
10/07/23 5:44:05 PM
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You would think Hinduism is about being chill. How does the caste system manifest in the US though?

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Doe
10/07/23 5:44:10 PM
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https://theprint.in/opinion/hindu-americans-are-in-denial-about-caste-its-been-in-religious-scriptures-for-long/1158840/

The HAF is only one of several diaspora groups drawing their battle lines in response to public allegations of caste discrimination in the American workplace, including educational institutions.
Arrayed on the other side of the issue are several Dalit rights organisations, which are vigorously lobbying the state to add caste as a category of potential discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which currently lists race, colour, religion, sex, or national origin as protected categories. It is only when that happens, they contend, that employers will take the issue of caste discrimination seriously and implement policies to deal with it. CISCO had maintained that they did not act on complaints of caste discrimination because the practice is not unlawful.

The Ambedkar International Center (AIC) has filed an amicus brief in the CISCO case, challenging the HAFs amicus brief, which had argued that the caste system is not part of Hinduism. Several diaspora organisations, including Hindus for Human Rights, have supported the AIC in its effort. The case is still in the courts.

The International Commission for Dalit Rights collaborated with Hindus for Human Rights in preparing an investigative report on caste discrimination in the temple/gurdwara building industry. This was prompted by the highly publicised allegation that the BAPS temple in New Jersey had mistreated its Dalit workers brought in from India. That case is still in the courts.
The Equality Labs (EL) has been at the forefront of the fight on behalf of Dalits and has been lobbying universities to ban discrimination on the basis of caste. Earlier this year, Cal State did just that, over the objections of a section of Indian-Americans who argued that caste discrimination no longer exists and that the universitys move would provoke hate against Hindus on campus.

Those arguments were directly challenged by the ELs caste survey, which found that two out of three Dalits reported being treated unfairly at their American workplace. Also, the experience of Brandeis University, which was the first to ban caste discrimination in 2020, debunked the claim that banning caste discrimination on campus provokes hate against Hindus.

Dalits have not had the same success though in their lobbying efforts with tech giants. Google, under pressure from its large Hindu employee base, cancelled a scheduled workshop earlier this year on caste discrimination. ELs executive director, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was forced to deliver her planned remarks on the Internet in effect challenging other Google employees to ask themselves what it is in her remarks that so threatened the Google management.
The denial of caste discrimination by groups like HAF is contradicted by data as collected by groups by Equality Labs, and by the common experience of Dalits. The point of this kind of law isn't to discriminate against Indian-Americans, it's to protect Indian-Americans from discrimination.

Newsom asserting that the law already covers this is really sketchy since as far as I can tell there's not really precedent and that CISCO case is still ongoing. I have to cynically imagine this is somehow related to his presidential aspirations because he's been vetoing many common-sense rights and justice laws.

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DarthAragorn
10/07/23 5:49:49 PM
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newsom fuckin sucks

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Doom_Art
10/07/23 5:54:27 PM
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I'm curious as to which caste the leadership of the Hindu American Foundation comes from

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Doe
10/07/23 6:03:53 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
I didn't think ultra conservative Hindis had that kind of political leverage in California.

C_Pain posted...
You would think Hinduism is about being chill. How does the caste system manifest in the US though?
80% of Indian-Americans who identify as a caste, identify as an upper caste e.g. Brahmin. But only 5% of Indians in India are Brahmin. Caste can indicate a family's historical job class and therefore stuff like wealth and prestige (since that's basically what caste is, a person's role in the functioning of society and religion, to the point of segregated living spaces and resource allocation, kinda like European feudalism of peasants vs monks vs lords).

There doesn't seem to be as much research on this topic as I'd like, but the way the pieces fit together to me is that
  • High caste people generally have more resources so are more likely to be able to come to the US
  • High caste people would rather not believe part of their success can be attributed to generational inequality from caste privilege differences (like white conservatives in the US)
  • So you end up with a largely Brahmin diaspora in the US, many may not even believe in discrimination or do not believe they participate in it, seeing a law like this as a condemnation of their broader Hindu identity


Another wrinkle is that when the British occupied India, they used the caste system as a blueprint to enforce their order basically. And so opposing that and turning around many legal caste enforcement measures is a significant part of modern Indian national identity. Nonetheless, inequality and discrimination in implicit or explicit ways remain. I don't want to make it out to be 1:1 because it's not, but you can see parallels to American inequality & discrimination issues, down to the rhetoric that deniers use.

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Fenriswolf
10/07/23 7:59:56 PM
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The lengths US politicians go to suck up to the far-right ultranationalist government in India and their supporters is rather pathetic to see. They even let the Indian government off buy off cheap Russian oil in spite of sanctions, and now Modi is emboldened to assassinate Sikh separatists in broad daylight.

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Ruvan22
10/08/23 10:06:08 PM
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Did HAF ever respond to criticism of their bias in opposing this bill?
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Enclave
10/08/23 10:09:22 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
They say that caste discrimination is already covered by existing laws, but it was clearly an issue if an entirely separate bill had to be created to address it.

I don't know if it's an issue or not there but this logic is super flawed. Completely pointless bills get made all the time for political narrative reasons.

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