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(+) Yeah! (+)

Why did you make a Star Wars hate topic for no reason?

or just its career?

The Star Wars fanbase will keep this franchise going into the far foreseeable future. Just like zombie fans, and those stupid zombie movies and Walking Dead shows that are constantly churned out at breakneck speed.

I also feel the same way about Star Trek

There's a series that banks WAY too heavily on nostalgia

Yeah Disney has killed the cultural value of Star Wars. The earth stood still when a Star Wars movie came out. Now its just another IP with an extended and confusing lore

This is capitalism. All art exists to be fucking commodified, acting like it's just Star Wars is a childish and narrow view the world. Disney bought it, and had to make a return on it.

Also, Star Wars was never profound.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Yeah Disney has killed the cultural value of Star Wars. The earth stood still when a Star Wars movie came out. Now its just another IP with an extended and confusing lore

So the same as it was before Disney bought it

the later movies were pretty rank, but i feel like Star Wars is absolutely thriving in the tv-series/ miniseries departement

ROBANN_88 posted...

the later movies were pretty rank, but i feel like Star Wars is absolutely thriving in the tv-series/ miniseries departement

SW shows are currently suffering from Marvel Show Syndrome: they're really hit-or-miss

Mandalorian and Andor are great, everything else sucks

Kaihedgie posted...

So the same as it was before Disney bought it

you could watch the prequels without knowing anything about the EU. same with any of the video games.

from what i understand you can't really watch ahsoka without having a grasp of what happened in some cartoon series, or maybe even several cartoon series(?).

Kaihedgie posted...

So the same as it was before Disney bought it

No it was still an event

Zithers posted...

from what i understand you can't really watch ahsoka without having a grasp of what happened in some cartoon series, or maybe even several cartoon series(?).

You'll be missing context and backstory stuff, but the show stands on its own just fine. I never watched Rebels or Clone Wars and still thought Ahsoka was really cool.

Blue_Inigo posted...

No it was still an event

There weren't any, period. The only time there were any "world-stopping" events were announcing and releasing the numbered movies. The last movie anyone really cared about was Revenge of the Sith, way back in 2005. There was nothing to make a big deal about since then under LucasFilms/Arts' tenure and the only thing pop culture had anything to give a damn about were video games, because barely anyone was reading the novels or comics enough to care and those could never come anywhere close enough to warrant events.

Kaihedgie posted...

There weren't any, period. The only time there were any "world-stopping" events were announcing and releasing the numbered movies. The last movie anyone really cared about was Revenge of the Sith, way back in 2005. There was nothing to make a big deal about since then under LucasFilms/Arts' tenure and the only thing pop culture had anything to give a damn about were video games, because barely anyone was reading the novels or comics enough to care and those could never come anywhere close enough to warrant events.

the article actually talks about how movies are all that really matter

But by blurring the lines between film, books, and televisionand lets be real: film remains the gold standard, and all of the television shows remain subordinate to what happens on the big screentheyve inadvertently recreated that cluttered universe they tried to sidestep. Disneys attempt to reset the compass has led to an overwhelming amalgamation of every conceivable media format into a singular canon. Instead of a sleek, refined vessel, we now have a sprawling universe that sometimes feels more like a labyrinth accessible only to the most fervent, detail-oriented fans.

Blue_Inigo posted...

Yeah Disney has killed the cultural value of Star Wars. The earth stood still when a Star Wars movie came out. Now its just another IP with an extended and confusing lore

I've posted topics making fun of the Legends vs. Canon debate and the resulting arguments make me feel like eveyone is speaking an alien language. I have no idea what's going on

Zithers posted...

the article actually talks about how movies are all that really matter

Sounds like revisionism to pretend like this isn't what happened with the OT and the PT since the EU was literally just that, even filling in plotholes

Just its career

More spaceships/space battles, less Jedi.

The franchise is still alive. I know most people ignore them, but marvel makes star wars comics that are still coming out every month I am pretty sure

And they are canon unlike the old Expanded Universe comics. Disney says everything they make is canon, no matter what form it is. Movie, comic, novel, video game. Does not matter

When I was a kid Star Wars was simple.

Now it's so oversaturated and confusing I want no part of it.

Kaihedgie posted...

Sounds like revisionism to pretend like this isn't what happened with the OT and the PT since the EU was literally just that, even filling in plotholes

i have no idea what you are talking about tbh

Zithers posted...

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/ahsoka-and-star-wars-cultural-cul-de-sac

was reading this article. pretty sad state of affairs. spoilers for ahsoka in it btw.

i saw s1 of mandalorian which was a chore and s1 of andor which had like two good episodes. this dave filoni guy seems like a huge geek with zero creative or cultural references to pull from outside of other star wars media which is a bad thing probably.

Lol what..no

Zithers posted...

A torrent of cultural content thats vast in volume but shallow in depth.

This is kinda funny. I'm not someone who really liked the star wars movies. Hell, I only watched the original trilogy when I was 20.
But I've liked ahsoka, Andor, and Rogue 1.
It's been interesting watching the Rockstar YouTube videos where they give the history and detail on various things in the episodes.

It's dead to me.
They completely diluted it.
And yes, I am sick of seeing scenes that are want to be remakes of old scenes.

have they said anything about a possible next season of Bad Batch?

Its a zombie

Might as well be with all the garbage they put out. It died the moment George sold it.

Kaihedgie posted...

The last movie anyone really cared about was Revenge of the Sith, way back in 2005.

I'm sorry but people cared about The Force Awakens WAY more than Revenge of the Sith. It's not even close, dude.

I would say they also cared more about The Last Jedi, although a lot of the attention was negative. Of course, so was a lot of the attention for the prequels.

xlr_big-coop posted...

Might as well be with all the garbage they put out. It died the moment George sold it.

George ruined star wars when he made the prequels. He also didn't make the franchise all by himself. If George had his way, even A New Hope would have sucked. His original ideas for Star Wars were insane and it never would have succeeded.

It is, but that won't stop Disney from beating it with a stick until the heat death of the universe

No bit it needs fresh blood. Last things it needed was a follow up to a follow up.

It needs new fans, not pander to the shrinking number that's left.

Zikten posted...

George ruined star wars when he made the prequels. He also didn't make the franchise all by himself. If George had his way, even A New Hope would have sucked. His original ideas for Star Wars were insane and it never would have succeeded.

And even then star wars was better then. I don't hold George to a pedestal, just pointed out the series meant more then than now.

LeoRavus posted...

When I was a kid Star Wars was simple.

"When" were you a kid?

Zithers posted...

i have no idea what you are talking about tbh

Star Wars had fallen into relative obscurity for the first time after Return of the Jedi released. There wasn't a whole lot going on other than the occasional novel or game. It wasn't until the prequels were announced that things were building up with a huge wave of merchandising, including a multimedia project: Shadows of the Empire, which was suppose to be the bridge between V and VI. Had nothing to do with the prequels, but it was a thing but to be frank, the only thing of that project that survived in the pop culture space was the N64 game. This was why only the Outrider was put in the Special Editions. No mention of the Black Sun or even a digitally inserted Prince Xizor, just the Outrider.

Episode 1 alone had a crapton of video games and other media made just for it alone while the succeeding two paled in comparison. After Episode 3, it's just been comics, novels and the additional video game keeping Star Wars afloat and there were a lot of stories told about the prequel era, from Jedi to Clone Troopers.

The OT however was where things got ridiculous and just never stepped on the brakes. You have entire novellas about completely inconsequential, irrelevant characters like Greedo or the guy operating the Death Star superlaser, not to mention, you've got about five different accounts of how the Death Star's blueprints were stolen or how Death Star II's shield passcode got leaked. And what's worse is that you had to make sense of what was even canon because there were whole levels of that nonsense, making you try to figure out what you should or shouldn't follow. I haven't even mentioned all the stuff that went down post-Return of the Jedi

xlr_big-coop posted... And even then star wars was better then. I don't hold George to a pedestal, just pointed out the series meant more then than now.

The only thing it meant to people was that Lucas ruined it and "raped their childhood". People wanted him gone from Star Wars and let other people take over. And that's just what he did

action52 posted... I'm sorry but people cared about The Force Awakens WAY more than Revenge of the Sith. It's not even close, dude.

I would say they also cared more about The Last Jedi, although a lot of the attention was negative. Of course, so was a lot of the attention for the prequels.

Not quite what I meant to say. I said "under LucasFilms/Arts tenure". They still released one more movie after that, the Clone Wars movie pilot. There wasn't much else to care about regarding Star Wars under their reign after.

Mando >> Andor >> everything else.

You just have shitty taste, TC.

Great article btw I've heard a lot of positive things about Andor (haven't seen it though so I won't defend or trash it) but the article is right. Disney's managed to kill Star Wars by oversaturating it, and the Sequel trilogy seems to have killed the magic of Star Wars for a lot of people. Even when the prequel trilogy happened and a lot of people hated it there still seemed to be a lot of love for Star Wars as a franchise. Disney dun goofed.

Garabandal posted...

Disney's managed to kill Star Wars by oversaturating it

So...no different from what LucasArts did

Garabandal posted...

and the Sequel trilogy seems to have killed the magic of Star Wars for a lot of people.

Pretty sure midi-chlorians did that nearly two decades beforehand.

Kaihedgie posted...

Star Wars had fallen into relative obscurity for the first time after Return of the Jedi released. There wasn't a whole lot going on other than the occasional novel or game. It wasn't until the prequels were announced that things were building up with a huge wave of merchandising, including a multimedia project: Shadows of the Empire, which was suppose to be the bridge between V and VI. Had nothing to do with the prequels, but it was a thing but to be frank, the only thing of that project that survived in the pop culture space was the N64 game. This was why only the Outrider was put in the Special Editions. No mention of the Black Sun or even a digitally inserted Prince Xizor, just the Outrider.

Episode 1 alone had a crapton of video games and other media made just for it alone while the succeeding two paled in comparison. After Episode 3, it's just been comics, novels and the additional video game keeping Star Wars afloat and there were a lot of stories told about the prequel era, from Jedi to Clone Troopers.

The OT however was where things got ridiculous and just never stepped on the brakes. You have entire novellas about completely inconsequential, irrelevant characters like Greedo or the guy operating the Death Star superlaser, not to mention, you've got about five different accounts of how the Death Star's blueprints were stolen or how Death Star II's shield passcode got leaked. And what's worse is that you had to make sense of what was even canon because there were whole levels of that nonsense, making you try to figure out what you should or shouldn't follow. I haven't even mentioned all the stuff that went down post-Return of the Jedi

i am significantly more confused now than i was before. no clue what this shit is. had to stop reading halfway through because my brain went into freefall. i just liked watching the movies when i was a kid. those are all that matter. no one normal cares about the EU or cartoons or whatever.

Kaihedgie posted...

The only thing it meant to people was that Lucas ruined it and "raped their childhood". People wanted him gone from Star Wars and let other people take over. And that's just what he did

Ooh this is truth too though. There's a lot more love for the prequels these days but prior to the release of the Sequel trilogy people HATED them.

WalkingPlague posted...

Mando >> Andor >> everything else.

You just have shitty taste, TC.

maybe you just have low standards :(

Hi Zithers!

Garabandal posted...

Great article btw I've heard a lot of positive things about Andor (haven't seen it though so I won't defend or trash it) but the article is right. Disney's managed to kill Star Wars by oversaturating it, and the Sequel trilogy seems to have killed the magic of Star Wars for a lot of people. Even when the prequel trilogy happened and a lot of people hated it there still seemed to be a lot of love for Star Wars as a franchise. Disney dun goofed.

i loved the sequels tbh or at least TFA/TLJ. also congrats on reading the article, likely the only person to do so.

I hope not I found things to enjoy in all the Star Wars shows except Book of Bobba Fett that shit was just a dumpster fire.

Zithers posted...

i loved the sequels tbh or at least TFA/TLJ. also congrats on reading the article, likely the only person to do so.

I liked TLJ. TFA was alright. Never saw RoS but I want to just to see if it's as glorious a trainwreck as fans make it out to be

Garabandal posted...

I liked TLJ. TFA was alright. Never saw RoS but I want to just to see if it's as glorious a trainwreck as fans make it out to be

TFA's first 40 or so minutes before han/chewie show up are pretty great, def goes downhill a bit after that

rise of skywalker is essentially prequel levels of horrible.

Garabandal posted...

Never saw RoS but I want to just to see if it's as glorious a trainwreck as fans make it out to be

Its biggest issues are plot contrivances and pacing. The effects are beautiful, the fight scenes are pretty strong, and there are some amazing memes coming out of Palpatine. The story makes almost no sense and very little is thoroughly explained, but it's pretty fun if you go into it knowing it's not going to be very smart.

Star Wars isn't dead. It takes a long time to murder such a beast of media. But Disney is doing its' best and there is no reason to believe that it will not succeed eventually.

DuranOfForcena posted...

Somehow, Star Wars returned....

Heh

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The dead speak!

If you dislike the direction of the franchise then fine, but it is outright delusional to suggest it's anywhere near dead lol