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Back then people were still casually using gay as a pejorative. It's weird to think about but tons of things from 20 years ago are culturally irrelevant today.

Dear MCFC 2022 Attendees, An Open Letter

Exactly what I mean when I say you don't hear this (literal) shit when it comes to other conventions.

While furries certainly can carry an identity outside of fursuits and non-sex-related things, they have a LOT of history with it, which makes their sex pest reputation quite deserved.

That's unfair, lots of things have history with sex related things but doesn't mean it's ok to just hate furries carte blanche any more then it is to hate any other subculture

I mean... yeah you do.

The literal founder of Dragon Con (vanilla fantasy/sci Fi con) is a convicted child molester who was originally sentenced to just probation and then violated his probation.

lots of sex related things dont sit there and insist that its an "identity" and "not a sex thing" while shitting their diaper and trying to get people to unknowingly eat pizza covered in seminal fluid

From the Internet historian video it sounds like one guy was responsible for most of the diaper incidents at Rainfurrest and was potentially there just to sabotage the con.

I mean... yeah you do.

The literal founder of Dragon Con (vanilla fantasy/sci Fi con) is a convicted child molester who was originally sentenced to just probation and then violated his probation.

That's unfair, lots of things have history with sex related things but doesn't mean it's ok to just hate furries carte blanche any more then it is to hate any other subculture

Except I've never heard of Dragon Con and the Wiki page for it does not mention anything about (one of) the founder(s) except as a footnote.

Because it's creepy and unnatural

Because he's been kicked out and has nothing to do with the con for over 20 years. The point is that all cons have problems. Hotels host them expecting to have problems and assess damage predictions ahead of time. You can dig through the history of other similar cons including stuff like Magic the Gathering and various comic cons and find volumes of sexual assault and drug related problems.

You don't hear about the cons that don't have serious problems because they (gasp) don't have problems. FWA has run for 20 years, the convention keeps getting bigger, and there's no significant issues.

Though I don't know why I have to explain that most people aren't causing problems. It should be obvious that poor organization enables a small number of saboteurs to cause disproportionate amounts of damage. The community at large isn't responsible or participating in those activities and are just as disgusted by it as everyone else.

poor organization enables a small number of saboteurs to cause disproportionate amounts of damage. The community at large isn't responsible or participating in those activities and are just as disgusted by it as everyone else.

The fact that you're still hearing problems about furry conventions today and not any other convention means that the bad reputation of furries is still well-deserved.

bro im sorry
but i have a really fuckin hard time believing that anyone buys a fursuit and con tickets, reserves a hotel room, and then proceeds to don a diaper and shit themselves with the sole intention of making the furry community look bad

Again I'm saying that's a lie. You PERSONALLY don't hear about them because you aren't a part of those communities. Look into a bit on the history of Zak S and his fanboys extensive history of sexual harassment, assault, and straight up rape that he's terrorized RPG conventions with for years only recently being banned from the major conventions and litigation for the problems he's caused is still ongoing.

theres a far cry between a (singular) individual in con management being a creep and having to send out an open letter to your entire attending membership for violating basically every common health and decency standard

that's a normal thing honest people do.

You keep singling out one sex pest (one being from a 20-year-old incident that makes him a literal who at this point) as being representative of their community, while an open letter for an entire convention is still far more damning and relevant.

no its things furries do

bro im sorry
but i have a really fuckin hard time believing that anyone buys a fursuit and con tickets, reserves a hotel room, and then proceeds to don a diaper and shit themselves with the sole intention of making the furry community look bad

You know what I also don't hear enough from furries? Condemning that incident as a blight and a lesson to not repeat it.

If you've ever used a public restroom you already know people need very little motivation to smear shit all over.

bro like no disrespect to ppls living situations
but what kind of hellscape do you live in where a fully shat adult diaper in the open doesnt surprise you?

bro like no disrespect to ppls living situations
but what kind of hellscape do you live in where a fully shat adult diaper in the open doesnt surprise you?

Zak S isn't just one pest. He's just the most prolific person of his entourage. There's a whole group of fanboys that follow him around like Andrew Tate boot lickers and engage in all the same practices Tate does and are continuing to harass his victims online today.

You just don't hear about it because you're not part of the community. Most serious RPG communities don't even allow you to talk about Zak S anymore because it's a magnet for harassment.

And there's been open letters for him written as well.

So why no furries did it for 20 years at FWA?

That's literally what the open letter is doing. I guess that's not enough?

It's called America, I've seen a log perfectly perched on the top of a stall door, most likely in an attempt to pull of a similar prank as the old bucket on a door trick.

If nobody talks about Zak S because he's a banned topic, then why is it even relevant to this discussion? We're talking about public perception. The vast majority of people don't know or care who Zak S is, so of course he's not going to affect how people view the RPG community. Big Bang Theory, Stranger Things, the recent DND movie, those portrayals are what people think of RPGs.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.

I'll spell this out for you slowly.

Rainfurrest and MCFC are two different conventions, but both representative of the furry community.

Whether these incidents were isolated or not, it's on the furry community to properly condemn them. The higher-ups making a letter that reads like common sense to anyone who isn't a furry doesn't read like a lesson, it reads like the furry community is full of immature, disgusting children who need to be told right from wrong.

also imma raise that dragoncon pedo guy with snakething, khordkitty, and kerothewolf (+[zoosadist]friends)

The way 4chan explained it is that they in and of themselves are inoffensive, it's how in your face they insist on being about their "interests". No sense of restraint or tact about it, then they whine about "fursecution" as another way to draw attention to themselves. It's like they need to be as public as possible about their deviancy.

If they had classier conduct I imagine it would be no issue.

The vast majority of people don't know what the fuck MCFC or Rainfurrest is either. One is now permanently cancelled and the other is likely going to have more strict policing and if it doesn't then it too will be cancelled. I didn't know either of those things existed before this thread. The person who threw diapers everywhere at Rainfurrest may not have even been a furry they could have just been a guest at the hotel which was still open to the public during the convention.

People are psycho enough to attack furry conventions with chlorine gas.

Conventions are not representative of any community no matter what they are about. A convention itself can be a piece of shit as a discrete thing. Successful conventions have strong rules and swift punishment for those who break them. MCFC and Rainfurrest didn't.

What exactly are you raising? It's not a competition.

Controversy

On October 25, 2018, [SnakeThing] was arrested[11] and charged with sexual assault of an animal, animal neglect, and animal abuse. He was temporarily released three days later due to the apparent statute of limitations on charges and evidence presented at the time.[citation needed]

He was apprehended again on December 4, 2019, and along with the initial charges, he was also charged with five counts of Encouraging Sexual Assault Of An Animal, seven counts of Encouraging Child Sexual Abuse In The First Degree, and nineteen counts of Encouraging Child Sexual Abuse in the Second Degree.

On March 9, 2020, Nelizar pleaded guilty to six charges of Encouraging Child Sexual Abuse in the First Degree, and four charges of Encouraging Child Sexual Abuse in the Second Degree, in return for having the other charges dropped.[12] He was subsequently sentenced to 300 months (25 years) imprisonment.[12]

He is currently incarcerated at Snake River Correctional Institution in Malheur County, Oregon.[13] Nelizar has been attempting to obtain post conviction relief since July 26, 2021. As of March 1, 2023 Nelizar has also been attempting to obtain habeas corpus relief.[12]

did gamefaqs get rid of blocking?

Not that I know of.

On topic, it's just a thin veil to try to hate random people and use excuses for it by saying their weird... queer if you want to use a synonym.

Like everywhere in the world, there's good and bad.

So just throwing it out there that there's a good reason I have ArsGoetia tagged as "Do Not Engage"

Some of you may be learning it right now

You absolutely knew what Rainfurrest was because I know you've tried to pull the same conspiracy theorist about it before. That video has 18 million views as well. Don't even think of trying to play dumb here.

To approach this logic at a different angle, what damning things have you heard about Comic-Con? Anime Expo? Any incident you might hear about those still pale in comparison to anything from a furry convention.