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10/05/23 1:02:52 PM
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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:13:22 PM
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Beyond past the creepy comments about waiting for girls to turn 18 and supporting his rapist friend in Danny Masterson. He encouraged his then wife Demi Moore to break her 20 year alcoholic sobriety by saying he didn't think it was a real thing. Then later encouraged her to get into threesomes, but then using it as an excuse to cheat on her without her there. Just destroyed her self esteem for years.

He's not criminally liable like Masterson, but he is way more of an asshole than I thought. Practically everyone on That 70's Show was, except for Topher Grace. Who ironically got criticized for acting like a diva for not wanting to hang out with the rest of his cast ever. Not sure I can watch that show again at this point, and it was one of my favorites.

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EmilyTheCEman
10/05/23 3:16:00 PM
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Source for all this?

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Null_Gain
10/05/23 3:17:31 PM
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Wilmer Valdarrama (Fez) also has had a lot of sketchy behavior come to light. Maybe not criminal but not good

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MICHALECOLE
10/05/23 3:19:04 PM
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Thats it Im never watching another Ashton Kutcher movie again
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/05/23 3:19:17 PM
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What about Donna?

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:19:43 PM
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EmilyTheCEman posted...
Source for all this?

https://people.com/movies/demi-moore-claims-ashton-kutcher-questioned-alcoholism/

"Ashton said, I dont know if alcoholisms a thing. I think its about moderation,' Moore claimed. If I had stayed close to working my program I, of course, lived the majority of my adult life sober. I was great sober.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/11/demi-moores-painful-memories-of-ashton-kutcher-include-his-cheating-at-danny-mastersons-party/

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Weezy_Tha_Don
10/05/23 3:20:37 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
Wilmer Valdarrama (Fez) also has had a lot of sketchy behavior come to light. Maybe not criminal but not good

dude had a show on mtv or something where they told yo momma jokes lol. seems like a huge douche

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:20:52 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
What about Donna?

Masterson got her into Scientology but that's about it. She's good otherwise apparently. Also read that the actors playing Kitty and Red also voiced leniency for Masterson, which I hadn't read about.

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LordFarquad1312
10/05/23 3:23:04 PM
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More like ASSton Kutcher.

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Null_Gain
10/05/23 3:26:04 PM
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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
dude had a show on mtv or something where they told yo momma jokes lol. seems like a huge douche

I remember that. I thought he did a good job in his role in the From Dusk til Dawn tv show (which was him being a villain)

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LeoRavus
10/05/23 3:26:55 PM
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It was a bad move for Demi's sobriety marrying someone who drinks and was 7 years old when she went sober.

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:28:26 PM
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LeoRavus posted...
It was a bad move for Demi's sobriety marrying someone who drinks and was 7 years old when she went sober.

He was 27 and she was 42. It's not that unheard of. You make it sound like you're blaming her.

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LeoRavus
10/05/23 3:29:30 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
He was 27 and she was 42. It's not that unheard of. You make it sound like you're blaming her.

Blaming her for choosing to drink? Nah, that couldn't possibly be her fault.

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Trumble
10/05/23 3:32:12 PM
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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
dude had a show on mtv or something where they told yo momma jokes lol. seems like a huge douche
I kinda feel like telling yo momma jokes to (presumably) willing participants is nowhere near on the same level as the other peoples' stuff...

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bsp77
10/05/23 3:43:32 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
He was 27 and she was 42. It's not that unheard of
That is all their age gap was? Wow, why did I think it was so much bigger?

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:45:57 PM
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bsp77 posted...
That is all their age gap was? Wow, why did I think it was so much bigger?

She was a celebrity since Moonlighting and he played a teenager on a comedy show. Easy to think it was a far larger gap.

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Kradek
10/05/23 3:46:21 PM
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Trumble posted...
I kinda feel like telling yo momma jokes to (presumably) willing participants is nowhere near on the same level as the other peoples' stuff...

Yeah, is this really a point of contention?

Outdated and lame humor? Sure, but cringeworthy at best.

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Axiom
10/05/23 3:46:43 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
except for Topher Grace.
Sorry who
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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:47:47 PM
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Axiom posted...
Sorry who

Actor most famous for ruining the original Spiderman movie franchise as Venom.

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The_Korey
10/05/23 3:48:27 PM
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Give it to me straight... what's wrong with David Spade?

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El_Marsh
10/05/23 3:48:47 PM
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bsp77 posted...
That is all their age gap was? Wow, why did I think it was so much bigger?
Because it was like 20 years ago and nobody should reasonably remember the details of random celebrity shit?

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bsp77
10/05/23 3:48:54 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
She was a celebrity since Moonlighting and he played a teenager on a comedy show. Easy to think it was a far larger gap.
I just remember everyone making a huge deal out of it. Was it just because SHE was 15 years older?

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NoxObscuras
10/05/23 3:49:45 PM
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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
dude had a show on mtv or something where they told yo momma jokes lol. seems like a huge douche
It was literally called 'Yo Momma' and it was a hilarious show. He would go to different cities and have people compete to see who came up with the best jokes. Then the top 2 would have off, and the winner got $1,000.

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Axiom
10/05/23 3:50:51 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Actor most famous for ruining the original Spiderman movie franchise as Venom.
Never heard of him
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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:50:56 PM
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bsp77 posted...
I just remember everyone making a huge deal out of it. Was it just because SHE was 15 years older?

Maybe. The 90's and 00's are so alien, looking back on how we all acted. Using 'gay' as an insult was a common term still.

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El_Marsh
10/05/23 3:51:32 PM
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I just remember everyone making a huge deal out of it. Was it just because SHE was 15 years older?
People murmured when Catherine Zeta Jones and Michael Douglas married because of their 25 year age gap. She was 30ish when they hitched.

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HylianFox
10/05/23 3:52:36 PM
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You're only just now discovering the guy behind Punk'd was an asshole?

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Nirvanas_Nox
10/05/23 3:53:17 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Maybe. The 90's and 00's are so alien, looking back on how we all acted. Using 'gay' as an insult was a common term still.

Except people still use it that way. Not condoning it but it still happens.

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bsp77
10/05/23 3:53:56 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Maybe. The 90's and 00's are so alien, looking back on how we all acted. Using 'gay' as an insult was a common term still.
Most definitely. The accepted level of casual homophobia, and even racism, was insane

El_Marsh posted...
People murmured when Catherine Zeta Jones and Michael Douglas married because of their 25 year age gap. She was 30ish when they hitched.
True, but 25 is certainly more. Hardly anyone would care if the man was 42 and the woman was 27 though.

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:54:31 PM
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Really? The few rare times I hear that, everyone looks at them with daggers in their eyes.

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DrizztLink
10/05/23 3:54:36 PM
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The_Korey posted...
Give it to me straight... what's wrong with David Spade?
I'll just call a spade a spade and let you know that he's David Spade.

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10/05/23 3:57:12 PM
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I'm really loving how completely flipped the situation is from 20 years ago or heck even 10 years ago. Back then Topher grace was seen as the bad guy for never hanging out with the rest of the cast, for leaving the final season, for being in the crappy Spider-man movie that wasn't his fault, stuff like that. But now people see he was the relatively less crappy one and it was everyone else who was bad. Like sure we already knew that Hyde was so clearly a rapist type scumbag it was super obvious, and for God's sake Ashton Kutcher was the dude who literally did the show that originated "its just a prank bro" not to mention just coming off as a general douche, and...

Wait how exactly did people not see this before?
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chaos_knight
10/05/23 3:58:38 PM
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Revisited posted...
I'm really loving how completely flipped the situation is from 20 years ago or heck even 10 years ago. Back then Topher grace was seen as the bad guy for never hanging out with the rest of the cast, for leaving the final season, for being in the crappy Spider-man movie that wasn't his fault, stuff like that. But now people see he was the relatively less crappy one and it was everyone else who was bad. Like sure we already knew that Hyde was so clearly a rapist type scumbag it was super obvious, and for God's sake Ashton Kutcher was the dude who literally did the show that originated "its just a prank bro" not to mention just coming off as a general douche, and...

Wait how exactly did people not see this before?

It was the 00's.

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 4:08:18 PM
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I also don't remember David Spade being on that show. He do stupid shit too?

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MICHALECOLE
10/05/23 4:13:29 PM
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I always hated that movie because of the puppy dog scene

never watched it again
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DaxNovalis
10/05/23 4:21:53 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
She was a celebrity since Moonlighting and he played a teenager on a comedy show. Easy to think it was a far larger gap.
She wasn't in Moonlighting, that was her husband Bruce Willis. She did have a brief cameo in one episode but wasn't one of the stars.
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ClayGuida
10/05/23 4:28:11 PM
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bsp77 posted...
Most definitely. The accepted level of casual homophobia, and even racism, was insane

True, but 25 is certainly more. Hardly anyone would care if the man was 42 and the woman was 27 though.
idk, Leo catches shit for dumping his 26 year old gf's for 23 year olds.

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 4:31:25 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
idk, Leo catches shit for dumping his 26 year old gf's for 23 year olds.

It's more he tosses them away instead of doing any serious relationships. When you're an adult, age difference matters little. Had one girl 10 years older who wanted me, and now one who is 12 years younger doing the same.

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brestugo
10/05/23 4:52:45 PM
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Yeah, Kutcher's always been a douche.

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bsp77
10/05/23 4:59:49 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
idk, Leo catches shit for dumping his 26 year old gf's for 23 year olds.
But Leo is a lot more than 15 years older....

I am just saying that 42 and 27 is nothing

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Big_Nabendu
10/05/23 5:02:05 PM
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Wat about bob?
Bob was cool

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chaos_knight
10/05/23 7:23:04 PM
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Demi Moore was always a catch, regardless of the age difference. Ashton Kutcher was a bad influence on her life and honestly not sure how she is now near the age of 60. He got his originally underage girl though to marry.

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GS4Life
10/05/23 7:32:22 PM
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Yeah I had never heard all this shit about Kutcher's behavior pre-defending Hyde either

Shame Mila is married and supporting that asshole (and defending Hyde obviously).

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Jiek_Fafn
10/05/23 7:35:23 PM
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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
dude had a show on mtv or something where they told yo momma jokes lol. seems like a huge douche
I think it was more of his habit of dating freshly 18 year old girls. He also claimed to take Mandy Moore's virginity. She says otherwise.

chaos_knight posted...
Masterson got her into Scientology but that's about it. She's good otherwise apparently. Also read that the actors playing Kitty and Red also voiced leniency for Masterson, which I hadn't read about.
Kurtwood Smiths letter is actually entertaining because instead of pleading for mercy because he's such a great guy it's "He was a kid I worked with. We weren't friends because I was a grown man. The other kid's seemed to like him." Of all the support letters, his is the one where he clearly just went through the motions

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Justin2Krelian
10/05/23 7:38:21 PM
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chaos_knight posted...
Masterson got her into Scientology but that's about it. She's good otherwise apparently. Also read that the actors playing Kitty and Red also voiced leniency for Masterson, which I hadn't read about.

Sucks, Kurtwood Smith has always been one of my favorite character actors


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10/05/23 7:40:49 PM
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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
dude had a show on mtv or something where they told yo momma jokes lol. seems like a huge douche
I totally remember that, felt so long ago.

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