Current Events > Leashing a toddler: yes or no?

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No. Watch your kid, jesus christ.

I think it's shitter that you basically want child to just be perfectly behaved at all moments. Children do silly things. News at 11. I wasn't out in a harness, but I didn't need one. You've clearly never seen a hyper child. Hand holding is still tough. Especially if you're doing things.

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it's literally what he said

Except that's not what he said there. Trips are mentioned there too. Like, children should be allowed to go places. "Trips" I wouldn't even mention.

I don't want them to be perfectly behaved, but maybe avoid public situations as much as possible until they are old enough to handle them. I don't see how that's crazy.

But over time he learns to be told no. He picks up on social cues etc. with a leash its not really teaching him that.

But if your only reason is that your child is adventurous, then I dont think thats a good reason imo. My wife and I have to be on the lookout constantly when were in public with our toddler. He gets into mischief fast.

But over time he learns to be told no. He picks up on social cues etc.

with a leash its not really teaching him that.

If you think leashing is okay, don't forget to include a muzzle to protect them from putting this in their mouths. It looks dumb but it may just save their life.

You must not have a family, because sometimes you're going to have to. I was out with my nephew when he was 1 because it was necessary.

"You don't deserve vacations because strangers think you're a shit" sounds more abusive than a leash. And you don't even know why they're traveling. Maybe grandparents live far away.

Seems like the parent's itt are pro-leash and the people without kids are anti-leash. Since the pro-leash side seems to have far more hands on experience with this topic I'm gonna go ahead and declare them the winners of this argument.

I'm sure the child too young to learn anything or form long-term memories will never get over the vacation their parents didn't go on.

I'm not arguing against taking them on trips, I'm arguing against taking them to movies. That one specific part of that post that I brought up, and then bolded in a reply to help you follow along.

Maybe I should have underlined it too.

Modern parents just hand their kids an iPad and let them watch tik Tok all day. Parents are absolutely not the gold standard you make them out to be

So, is this a common thing that people actually do? Do I just happen to live in an area that is abnormal?
Or are the users here in the minority?

Well you certainly think they'll never get over having to wear a harness for about a year.

And I was addressing the trips point since it says movies and trips. I really don't understand your nitpick here. Underlining wouldn't help since it's clear I'm addressing "to movies AND to trips." Literally both are lumped together.

This turned out to be a great topic.

I haven't actually said anything about the children being traumatized by being leashed.

Maybe you'll answer, since nobody else will.

If harnesses are a problem, why are strollers, cribs, playpens, baby gates, holding hands, etc. and so on all okay? What's the difference?

You're throwing a bunch of random baby furniture for no reason. What parent is bringing their kid out in public in a playpen?

Then why the actual fuck did you reply to me like I was in the wrong when I wasn't even talking about the same part you were and you agreed with the point I was making anyway?

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid

Except that's not what he said there. Trips are mentioned there too. Like, children should be allowed to go places. "Trips" I wouldn't even mention.

It's understandable to be upset about movies if it's something like a movie, but I think it's genuinely cruel to take a baby to a movie if I'm being honest.

The point is doing both. Like you said, he learned... Over time. Some parents feel more secure having the harness, while the child is learning.

Maybe you'll answer, since nobody else will.

If harnesses are a problem, why are strollers, cribs, playpens, baby gates, holding hands, etc. and so on all okay? What's the difference?

Most places dont leash their kids like animals.

You're throwing a bunch of random baby furniture for no reason. What parent is bringing their kid out in public in a playpen?

I'm sure the child too young to learn anything or form long-term memories will never get over the vacation their parents didn't go on.

Modern parents just hand their kids an iPad and let them watch tik Tok all day. Parents are absolutely not the gold standard you make them out to be

Go for it. Hate seeing kids tearing around while their parents pay zero attention to them.

Hell, go farther. Leashed teenagers.

I didn't? The hell is your beef? Like... You're the one that got bent out of shape.

I didn't say you were wrong. I even mention what part I was mainly addressing, and then you went way off the handle for something. Not even addressing the part about the movies.

Everybody cages their children "like animals," though, since that's what cribs/playpens do, and pretty much strollers, as well.

So what's the difference?

The kid may not specifically remember that specific trip but with each less trip the more of a stranger that grandparent is. By the time they're an adult and look back, they don't need to hold onto every single memory to have a relationship but they still need to have happened to form the relationship. And on the other side, the grandparent will remember.

Me: *says his part about taking kids to movies wasn't out of line*
You: "That's not what he said"
Me: *shows where he said 'and movies'*
You: "That's still wrong because he said trips AND movies, I guess you don't have a family"

It's like you're hung up on the weirdest fucking game of semantics I've ever seen on this site

He didn't mention movies because he also mentioned trips lmfao

nah, play pens are mostly for crawling stages.

Animals at the zoo can walk around in their cages. It's still a cage.

huh?

The kid may not specifically remember that specific trip but with each less trip the more of a stranger that grandparent is. By the time they're an adult and look back, they don't need to hold onto every single memory to have a relationship but they still need to have happened to form the relationship. And on the other side, the grandparent will remember.

Yeah, that one missed out-of-state trip to grandma's house will really destroy the relationship forever. She'll never look at the kid or the parents the same way again. Too much resentment

It also makes it easier for subsequent meetings. If a child has always met a person and grew up with them. It makes a much more lasting impression than meeting them at like... 6 or something.

Yeah, that one missed out-of-state trip to grandma's house will really destroy the relationship forever. She'll never look at the kid or the parents the same way again. Too much resentment

Yeah, that one missed out-of-state trip to grandma's house will really destroy the relationship forever. She'll never look at the kid or the parents the same way again. Too much resentment

It's not just for the grandparent though. The child being able to meet more people is good for them as well. Children that meet more people generally have better social skills than ones that don't meet anyone but their parents. There are plenty of reasons that the trips are good for them. They can also learn more societal norms and whatnot.

If the toddler is prone to walking off, sure.

What do I care? It's not cruel. Do whatever.

You missed the point. That said, you answered enough, since it became clear that the actual safety factor is far from what you care about, you just care how it "looks."

I feel like there are ways in 2023 for family members to meet grandchildren, cousins, nephews, nieces that don't involve putting hyperactive toddlers in dangerous public situations during their worst stage.

But we are leashing these kids because they are not old enough to learn things.

Besides, most adults don't even meet people these days. Public is mostly a bunch of small cliques doing their hardest to acknowledge as few other people as possible. Other people may as well not exist in their narrative.