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TerraSeeker
10/04/23 10:32:15 PM
#101:


It seems disrespectful to me. Like do the parents not remember being that age?

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hockeybub89
10/04/23 10:33:00 PM
#102:


xGhostchantx posted...
Dude, there are children that this happens to all the fucking time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12498457/Boy-hit-car-Sydney-police-ambulance.html

Wandered on to the road.

https://7news.com.au/news/nsw/details-emerge-after-five-year-old-boy-fatally-hit-by-car-in-tragic-accident-at-collaroy-c-11449759

Wandered on to the road.

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/distressing-footage-shows-boy-12-flying-air-hit-car-211825074.html?guccounter=1

This one was a god damn 12 year old.

Children are oblivious shitheads more often than not. I do not want that happening to my one terrorist toddler. She gets the leash; I won't feel bad about and you will never understand until/if you have one.
But if all toddlers will do this, then why isn't the mortality rate like well north of 50%? Are kids and their parents just lucky? Or is leashing not as necessary as you guys are making it out to be?

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IdiotMachine
10/04/23 10:33:16 PM
#103:


hockeybub89 posted...
So does a hand. Or a stroller
Hand doesnt work. Shes way too small for me to hold her hand without me literally bending down halfway, and it outstretches her tiny arms way too high. She hates being confined in a stroller.

I dont think you understand a 1.5yo toddler. She doesnt know what can or cannot even be eaten at this point, where she puts everything in her mouth, let alone a concept of staying towards the grass away from center of the road and away from big shiny things.

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voldothegr8
10/04/23 10:33:23 PM
#104:


dioxxys posted...
Lmao so many people who don't have kids or apparently have never been around kids think just being an attentive parent is enough to keep a toddler from getting into trouble.

"Don't wear a seat belt guys just drive safely and you'll be fine".
I've raised toddlers, and yes they're little suicidal maniacs with no awareness of the dangers around them. Leashing feels wrong, and definitely lazy as shit.

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TMOG
10/04/23 10:33:58 PM
#105:


Also, to the people saying "we never had harnesses/leashes before and humanity was fine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_strings
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/9/AABrRdAAE5nj.jpg

They've literally been in use for around 300 years at least
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xGhostchantx
10/04/23 10:34:06 PM
#106:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Seems like the parent's itt are pro-leash and the people without kids are anti-leash. Since the pro-leash side seems to have far more hands on experience with this topic I'm gonna go ahead and declare them the winners of this argument.

I have one I need to leash and another I don't; when we go out all together we leash both so that the other doesn't feel like she's being singled out, but if I'm only out with the saint then she doesn't get the leash. I do feel kinda bad about that bit, to be honest, but sometimes I think it would be worse making the other feel singled out. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

hockeybub89 posted...
But if all toddlers will do this

??? I don't understand this. Obviously not all toddlers are like this.

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potdnewb
10/04/23 10:34:09 PM
#107:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Seems like the parent's itt are pro-leash and the people without kids are anti-leash. Since the pro-leash side seems to have far more hands on experience with this topic I'm gonna go ahead and declare them the winners of this argument.
my child is two he doesnt need a leash because of proper parenting
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IdiotMachine
10/04/23 10:34:15 PM
#108:


TerraSeeker posted...
It seems disrespectful to me. Like do the parents not remember being that age?
I do not remember what it was like being a 1.5yo, no.

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StealThisSheen
10/04/23 10:34:38 PM
#109:


TerraSeeker posted...
It seems disrespectful to me. Like do the parents not remember being that age?

How is it any more disrespectful than forcing them into a stroller, or making them hold your hand the entire time?

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TldrReturns
10/04/23 10:34:44 PM
#110:


Turbam posted...
It's always funny as hell when I see it, but I think it's pretty sad


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Unknown5uspect
10/04/23 10:35:44 PM
#111:


hockeybub89 posted...
But if all toddlers will do this, then why isn't the mortality rate like well north of 50%? Are kids and their parents just lucky? Or is leashing not as necessary as you guys are making it out to be?
Or maybe. And just hear me out for a second here. Some toddlers are exceptionally worse than others and maybe need something more to make sure they don't play IRL Frogger. Maybe just maybe this isn't a solution for every single child.

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Unsuprised_Pika
10/04/23 10:35:45 PM
#112:


A specialized leash in VERY limited circumstances? Sure.

As a regular thing or a neck leash? Fuck no.

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IdiotMachine
10/04/23 10:37:05 PM
#113:


potdnewb posted...
my child is two he doesnt need a leash because of proper parenting
My child is 14 months old right now (I just consistently say 1.5yo since thats easier for non-parents), but mental development between 14 and 24 months is huuugggeee. Id like to think by the time shes 24 months, I wouldnt need a harness; but at 14 months with a child that can already run? Im leaning towards harnessing, especially at our cruise in two weeks.

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GeminiDeus
10/04/23 10:37:43 PM
#114:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Seems like the parent's itt are pro-leash and the people without kids are anti-leash. Since the pro-leash side seems to have far more hands on experience with this topic I'm gonna go ahead and declare them the winners of this argument.
I don't have or want kids and I'm pro-leash IF they are required due to the child being too high energy, or has a tendency to wander away, or autistic like in the video I posted, or the many, many other reasons that I can't think of. The leash isn't a leash; it's a harness. It goes around the body, not around the neck. They're for safety first and foremost. If other kids don't need a harness, then they're not part of the equation.

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xGhostchantx
10/04/23 10:38:07 PM
#115:


IdiotMachine posted...
My child is 14 months old right now (I just consistently say 1.5yo since thats easier for non-parents), but mental development between 14 and 24 months is huuugggeee. Id like to think by the time shes 24 months, I wouldnt need a harness; but at 14 months with a child that can already run? Im leaning towards harnessing, especially at our cruise in two weeks.

You won't always need it but I suggest keeping it close if you have a kiddo that's a bolter, especially around large crowds. Too many god damn horror stories for me to be comfortable with that. I'd handcuff us together if I could.

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TMOG
10/04/23 10:39:20 PM
#116:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Seems like the parent's itt are pro-leash and the people without kids are anti-leash. Since the pro-leash side seems to have far more hands on experience with this topic I'm gonna go ahead and declare them the winners of this argument.
Don't have or want kids, but as I said earlier, I work in a place where I get to see a lot of toddlers running around uncontrollably when they really shouldn't be.
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hockeybub89
10/04/23 10:40:06 PM
#117:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Or maybe. And just hear me out for a second here. Some toddlers are exceptionally worse than others and maybe need something more to make sure they don't play IRL Frogger. Maybe just maybe this isn't a solution for every single child.
Or maybe keep the exceptionally bad children completely out of harm's way instead of wrapping them in a bubble because they'll die if you look away? Those parents don't get to have a normal life.

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TheGoldenEel
10/04/23 10:41:02 PM
#118:


We just borrowed a leash for our 2 year old for our upcoming vacation because he absolutely loves running off and exploring

its not that hes bad or misbehaving or whatever, he just loves wandering and he doesnt understand yet that it isnt safe

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A_Good_Boy
10/04/23 10:41:19 PM
#119:


hockeybub89 posted...
Or maybe keep the exceptionally bad children completely out of harm's way instead of wrapping them in a bubble because they'll die if you look away? Those parents don't get to have a normal life.
Yes they do, harnesses enable them to have completely normal lives in public.

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Unknown5uspect
10/04/23 10:42:21 PM
#120:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Yes they do, harnesses enable them to have completely normal lives in public.
Dude's lost the plot on this one. Good luck.

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MICHALECOLE
10/04/23 10:42:27 PM
#121:


I was leashed as a young child because I was a rugrats level lunatic. I wonder if I would have been hit by a car or kidnapped if I hadnt have been leashed.
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xGhostchantx
10/04/23 10:42:45 PM
#122:


hockeybub89 posted...
Or maybe keep the exceptionally bad children

It's almost like different humans have different personalities and traits, huh?

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potdnewb
10/04/23 10:42:50 PM
#123:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Yes they do, harnesses enable them to have completely normal lives in public.
being the leashed human in public is not normal
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NoxObscuras
10/04/23 10:42:52 PM
#124:


If it's needed sure. I made sure I had a hold of him at all times in crowds. He would always try to wiggle his little hand free so he could go run towards something. Toddlers love to run towards whatever catches their eye, consequences be damned. I could totally see a leash being handy, if my hands were full

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A_Good_Boy
10/04/23 10:43:21 PM
#125:


MICHALECOLE posted...
I was leashed as a young child because I was a rugrats level lunatic. I wonder if I would have been hit by a car or kidnapped if I hadnt have been leashed.
Ironically, the Rugrats is a cartoon about a group of parents that really should have bought leashes for their kids.

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TMOG
10/04/23 10:44:20 PM
#126:


potdnewb posted...
being the leashed human in public is not normal
Please explain how wearing a harness as a hyperactive toddler so you don't injure yourself, break something, or get lost/abducted is going to follow you for your entire life
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MICHALECOLE
10/04/23 10:44:42 PM
#127:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Ironically, the Rugrats is a cartoon about a group of parents that really should have bought leashes for their kids.
They really, really should have. Or paid closer attention to their children.

those kids did end up growing up, so I guess it all worked out
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StealThisSheen
10/04/23 10:47:31 PM
#128:


hockeybub89 posted...
Or maybe keep the exceptionally bad children completely out of harm's way instead of wrapping them in a bubble because they'll die if you look away?

Wouldn't the "wrap them in a bubble" solution be to never leave the house? The harness is the "Keep out of harm's way" answer.

You sorta defeated your own argument.

EDIT: An argument against a harness is also an argument against strollers, playpens, cribs, and even holding their hand. You're basically saying "Just never ever leave the house ever."

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TMOG
10/04/23 10:49:40 PM
#129:


StealThisSheen posted...
Wouldn't the "wrap them in a bubble" solution be to never leave the house? The harness is the "Keep out of harm's way" answer.

You sorta defeated your own argument.
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hockeybub89
10/04/23 10:50:03 PM
#130:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Yes they do, harnesses enable them to have completely normal lives in public.
Except they're out in public with an unruly baby that they are certain will die tragically if not leashed

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bfslick50
10/04/23 10:50:04 PM
#131:


EmilyTheCEman posted...
Leashing your kid instead of teaching them to not run into traffic is like locking them in their bedroom after school instead of teaching them to not do drugs.

Have you interacted with a toddler before? Most toddlers don't have the emotional maturity to always get things on the first time and running into traffic is often an event that doesn't give second chances.

voldothegr8 posted...
It's lazy as shit and I don't know, feels a bit dehumanizing to me?

Most lazy shit parents are the ones sitting on their asses and not buying extra items to help keep their kids safe while they're taking them to a park. Parents with a leash for the kids at their airport definitely aren't doing it out of laziness.

You know strollers have straps that prevent the kid from being able to get up right? Same level of "dehumanization" but it's hidden from you. There's a lot of things you do to a kid that you'd never do to an adult. If an adult just ran away from you, you'd let them run, it's not your job to stop them.

TerraSeeker posted...
It seems disrespectful to me. Like do the parents not remember being that age?

You do not accurately remember being a toddler.

hockeybub89 posted...
Or maybe keep the exceptionally bad children completely out of harm's way instead of wrapping them in a bubble because they'll die if you look away? Those parents don't get to have a normal life.

What? Don't wrap them in a bubble... instead never let them leave the house? Is that what you mean by completely out of harm's way? That sounds way worse and way more abusive.

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A_Good_Boy
10/04/23 10:50:59 PM
#132:


hockeybub89 posted...
Except they're out in public with an unruly baby that they are certain will die tragically if not leashed
Well yeah, that's why they have the leash so they don't gotta worry about the baby dying.

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hockeybub89
10/04/23 10:51:58 PM
#133:


StealThisSheen posted...
EDIT: An argument against a harness is also an argument against strollers, playpens, cribs, and even holding their hand. You're basically saying "Just never ever leave the house ever."
I do think it is rather nonsensical and rude that parents go on trips and to movies and shit with small children.

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StealThisSheen
10/04/23 10:52:01 PM
#134:


hockeybub89 posted...
Except they're out in public with an unruly baby that they are certain will die tragically if not leashed

Your "If all ___ don't ___, it's not a problem" argument is pretty much the worst argument in history, and you should feel bad for making it.

Unless you're a firm believer in things like "If all gun owners don't kill people, guns aren't a problem," or "If all people don't need free health care, nobody does."

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ArtiRock
10/04/23 10:52:16 PM
#135:


Unknown5uspect posted...
Dude's lost the plot on this one. Good luck.
Yeah... I'm not sure why it's so bad to do something that doesn't hurt the child, makes your job easier, and potentially keeps them safe. It's not like you leashed them outside or something.

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StealThisSheen
10/04/23 10:52:54 PM
#136:


hockeybub89 posted...
I do think it is rather nonsensical and rude that parents go on trips and to movies and shit with small children.

Sure, but that's a completely different argument.

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10/04/23 10:53:05 PM
#137:


hockeybub89 posted...
Or maybe keep the exceptionally bad children completely out of harm's way instead of wrapping them in a bubble because they'll die if you look away? Those parents don't get to have a normal life.

You are so far out of touch with normal society.

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hockeybub89
10/04/23 10:53:51 PM
#138:


If your small child was immunocompromised, you wouldn't wouldn't take them in public everywhere. It's the same concept.

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TMOG
10/04/23 10:54:04 PM
#139:


StealThisSheen posted...
Your "If all ___ don't ___, it's not a problem" argument is pretty much the worst argument in history, and you should feel bad for making it.

Unless you're a firm believer in things like "If all gun owners don't kill people, guns aren't a problem," or "If all people don't need free health care, nobody does."
"If all reckless drivers don't get in car accidents, nobody does."
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StealThisSheen
10/04/23 10:55:27 PM
#140:


hockeybub89 posted...
If your small child was immunocompromised, you wouldn't wouldn't take them in public everywhere. It's the same concept.

...No, no it's not.

I hope you're trolling, at this point.

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ArtiRock
10/04/23 10:55:29 PM
#141:


hockeybub89 posted...
I do think it is rather nonsensical and rude that parents go on trips and to movies and shit with small children.
I think it's shitter that you basically want child to just be perfectly behaved at all moments. Children do silly things. News at 11. I wasn't out in a harness, but I didn't need one. You've clearly never seen a hyper child. Hand holding is still tough. Especially if you're doing things.

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ArtiRock
10/04/23 10:56:34 PM
#142:


StealThisSheen posted...
Sure, but that's a completely different argument.
It's also ridiculous. Man, how dare your baby cry in public. Man, how dare your child be anything but a dead zombie in public. Children will run around sometimes. It doesn't mean they're bad, just adventurous and not aware of the dangers of the world.

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StealThisSheen
10/04/23 10:58:09 PM
#143:


ArtiRock posted...
It's also ridiculous. Man, how dare your baby cry in public. Man, how dare your child be anything but a dead zombie in public. Children will run around sometimes. It doesn't mean they're bad, just adventurous and not aware of the dangers of the world.

I get it to an extent. Like, you shouldn't bring a baby into a loud movie theater, where it's more likely than not that they will cry, but... Yeah. I think the guy just really, really hates children.

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TerraSeeker
10/04/23 10:58:17 PM
#144:


bfslick50 posted...


You do not accurately remember being a toddler.

Maybe not toddler, but I've seen those used on a kids ages that I remember being

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TMOG
10/04/23 10:58:41 PM
#145:


ArtiRock posted...
It's also ridiculous. Man, how dare your baby cry in public. Man, how dare your child be anything but a dead zombie in public. Children will run around sometimes. It doesn't mean they're bad, just adventurous and not aware of the dangers of the world.
To be fair he's not completely out of line with that post. Don't take your small child to a movie that's not made for them and wreck the entire fucking thing for everybody else in the theater because they have to deal with either ambient baby noise or outright screaming/crying because they either got scared by a loud noise or are just bored and want to go do something else.
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jyynx
10/04/23 11:00:01 PM
#146:


If it keeps them safe, I'm not going to judge. Some kids have no sense of danger, and some are runners so do what you got to do parents.

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ArtiRock
10/04/23 11:00:39 PM
#147:


TMOG posted...
To be fair he's not completely out of line with that post. Don't take your small child to a movie that's not made for them and wreck the entire fucking thing for everybody else in the theater because they have to deal with either ambient baby noise or outright screaming/crying because they either got scared by a loud noise or are just bored and want to go do something else.
Except that's not what he said there. Trips are mentioned there too. Like, children should be allowed to go places. "Trips" I wouldn't even mention.

It's understandable to be upset about movies if it's something like a movie, but I think it's genuinely cruel to take a baby to a movie if I'm being honest.

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Naysaspace
10/04/23 11:01:55 PM
#148:


No. Watch your kid, jesus christ.
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bfslick50
10/04/23 11:02:01 PM
#149:


hockeybub89 posted...
I do think it is rather nonsensical and rude that parents go on trips and to movies and s*** with small children.

"You don't deserve vacations because strangers think you're a shit" sounds more abusive than a leash. And you don't even know why they're traveling. Maybe grandparents live far away.

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TMOG
10/04/23 11:02:41 PM
#150:


ArtiRock posted...
Except that's not what he said there.
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hockeybub89 posted...
I do think it is rather nonsensical and rude that parents go on trips and to movies and shit with small children.
it's literally what he said
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