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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 3:58:02 PM
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Careful with spoilers. Talking about gear 5 please tag as spoiler.

Who wins?

Cloud can smack Luffy with his big sword but Luffy woukd likely stretch.

Then again Cloud has all sorts of materia and magic.
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SocialistGamer
10/03/23 3:58:21 PM
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You just put it in the post without spoilering lol.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 3:59:52 PM
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SocialistGamer posted...
You just put it in the post without spoilering lol.

? As to what it is but I will edit
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SocialistGamer
10/03/23 4:12:09 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
? As to what it is but I will edit
It was the gear 5. But you hid it now.

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Turbam
10/03/23 4:13:26 PM
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Can't Cloud just throw him in the ocean?

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 4:36:50 PM
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Turbam posted...
Can't Cloud just throw him in the ocean?

Couldn't anyone he fought in the anime do this too?

SocialistGamer posted...
It was the gear 5. But you hid it now.

I mean don't discuss how it different than his previous ones. People can count so him having 4 should mean not a surprise he gets 5.

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ArtiRock
10/03/23 4:38:43 PM
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Luffy nowadays.

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Mystereave
10/03/23 4:39:02 PM
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I mean, it's been in the anime and it was a huge deal when it happened. I doubt anyone who has any knowledge of Luffy doesn't know about it already.
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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 6:38:33 PM
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Mystereave posted...
I mean, it's been in the anime and it was a huge deal when it happened. I doubt anyone who has any knowledge of Luffy doesn't know about it already.

anime is thousands of episodes

not everyone has made it that far yet
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Tyranthraxus
10/03/23 6:43:49 PM
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Cloud can't resist Sephiroth mind control what makes you think he'll fare any better against Conquerer Haki?

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 6:44:29 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Cloud can't resist Sephiroth mind control what makes you think he'll fare any better against Conquerer Haki?

Cause he just needs to be resolved which he is
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A_Good_Boy
10/03/23 6:46:56 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Cause he just needs to be resolved which he is
More than Luffy? The dude can literally place his resolve into his sandals and kick so hard he splits the sky.

I'm not sure how one quantifies resolve, but Luffy's got plenty of it and then some.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 6:49:02 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
More than Luffy? The dude can literally place his resolve into his sandals and kick so hard he splits the sky.

I'm not sure how one quantifies resolve, but Luffy's got plenty of it and then some.

don't think you need to be more just over a certain threshold
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dameon_reaper
10/03/23 6:49:37 PM
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I'd say Luffy has been pretty strong for a long time now. At least strong enough to contend with a lot of characters. Gear 5 is cartoonish and can make others and even the world around him just as cartoonish.
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rideshort
10/03/23 6:51:31 PM
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The power of imagination is going to be kind of hard for Cloud to beat

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 6:52:20 PM
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rideshort posted...
The power of imagination is going to be kind of hard for Cloud to beat

Cloud has fought Disney characters
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Enclave
10/03/23 6:53:12 PM
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Luffy is way stronger than Cloud.

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ellis123
10/03/23 6:56:19 PM
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Normal world logic applied? Cloud. Anime logic applied? Luffy. Based strictly on power feats? Luffy.

Anything resembling Death Battle BS? Luffy.

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ChocoboMogALT
10/03/23 6:58:14 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Cause he just needs to be resolved which he is
There's a very small period of FF7 where Cloud is resolved, before and after that he has zero confidence.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 6:59:39 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
There's a very small period of FF7 where Cloud is resolved, before and after that he has zero confidence.

resolved means resolved to fight someone who isn't easy

ex: Fishman island arc only 50,000 out of 100,000 of the trash underlings actually fell to Conquerors. that is because even a trash mob can be resolved
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itachi15243
10/03/23 7:00:28 PM
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I'd say Cloud. Cloud beat Sephiroth, who was Definitely stronger than Luffy.

Otherwise I would say that Luffy has better feats though

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 7:01:20 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
who was Definitely stronger than Luffy.

oh ?
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Darkinsanity1
10/03/23 7:08:23 PM
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Hmm Cloud has enhanced strength and speed, and access to magic through materia plus his skills as a fighter.

Luffy has his devil fruit and all that that entails and assuming he can bring his haki through in the forms of Observation, armament and Conquerors and all of their advanced versions which Luffy also has access to.

Is that enough to give Luffy an edge over Cloud? I actually think it might be, initially I was going to give it to Cloud but Luffy is very strong. In terms of willpower I think Luffy pretty easily wins.

But depending on how effective Cloud's materia and magic are Luffy could still be in trouble.

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itachi15243
10/03/23 7:46:05 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
oh ?

Depending on whether you believe supernova is actually destroying galaxies or not, Sephiroth is anywhere between galaxy and planetary destruction tier. He's just on a different level than luffy. >.>

Also, luffys rubberyness doesn't stop cutting attacks. It wouldn't stop clouds sword like the op says.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 7:47:15 PM
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itachi15243 posted...
Depending on whether you believe supernova is actually destroying galaxies or not

oh ya

true true

but that is hard to swallow

that also means Cloud is far beyond Goku or Superman or anyone else

even Tifa is

even Barret
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ellis123
10/03/23 7:49:18 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
that also means Cloud is far beyond Goku or Superman or anyone else
He is not, no. Frieza has destroyed plenty of planets and Goku could beat him just fine, and Superman has fought more that one character who has done the same. Heck, Superman has bench-pressed planets: vastly more than anything anyone in Final Fantasy as a whole has done.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 7:50:26 PM
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ellis123 posted...
He is not, no. Frieza has destroyed plenty of planets and Goku could beat him just fine, and Superman has fought more that one character who has done the same. Heck, Superman has bench-pressed planets: vastly more than anything anyone in Final Fantasy as a whole has done.

false

none of these have come close to what Sephiroth supernova does

and tanking that means you above them all
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LordMarshal
10/03/23 7:51:03 PM
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Wait: Is saying Super saiyan blue or ultra insinct a spoiler?

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 7:51:32 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Cloud can't resist Sephiroth mind control what makes you think he'll fare any better against Conquerer Haki?
Conquerors Haki isn't about mind control

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HannibalBarca3
10/03/23 7:52:07 PM
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Who wins the Min Min and Cloud MU

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ellis123
10/03/23 7:52:37 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
false

none of these have come close to what Sephiroth supernova does

and tanking that means you above them all
Superman has.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 7:54:35 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Superman has.

Sephiroth destroys a whole galaxy of planets in second without traveling to any of them

Frieza or Superman literally take days to move from one to the other and can't do them all so instantly and would run out of energy.
Sephiroth just goes boom doop woop zoop and the whole galaxy is caput
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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 7:55:13 PM
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LordMarshal posted...
Wait: Is saying Super saiyan blue or ultra insinct a spoiler?

???

DBS came out in 2017 and ended in like 2018
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TerraSeeker
10/03/23 7:55:47 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Cloud can't resist Sephiroth mind control what makes you think he'll fare any better against Conquerer Haki?
End game Cloud did beat a mental attack Sephiroth.

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ellis123
10/03/23 7:56:02 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Sephiroth destroys a whole galaxy of planets in second without traveling to any of them

Frieza or Superman literally take days to move from one to the other and can't do them all so instantly and would run out of energy.
Sephiroth just goes boom doop woop zoop and the whole galaxy is caput
Wait. You're serious.

Lol.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 7:56:48 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Wait. You're serious.

Lol.

If we assume Supernova is real and happens nothing any of these dudes do can compare
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ellis123
10/03/23 7:58:39 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
If we assume Supernova is real and happens nothing any of these dudes do can compare
Superman has moved faster than lightspeed and has survived in the vacuum of space. You didn't actually list anything that mattered in the slightest.

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itachi15243
10/03/23 8:00:26 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
Conquerors Haki isn't about mind control

It should also be noted that Sephiroth that Sephiroth doesn't mind control Cloud through his will power. While Sephiroth does have an amazing amount of will power (enough to keep living in the life-threatening all that time) He was controlling Cloud through the literal cells in his body. The J cells that Hojo implanted into Cloud.

While there might likely be some aspect of will in that, Cloud still (mostly) won out at the end. After his head is straightened out, it isn't an issue.

Assuming we're talking about an end game Cloud, I don't see will power being a huge issue.

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 8:02:12 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Superman has moved faster than lightspeed and has survived in the vacuum of space. You didn't actually list anything that mattered in the slightest.

that is nothing compared to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTc9sLmOR0A

it takes light 3 mins to go to mars and much longer to go to pluto

this all happen under 2 mins

this is BEYOND lightspeed
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A_Good_Boy
10/03/23 8:03:09 PM
#40:


WingsOfGood posted...
Sephiroth destroys a whole galaxy of planets in second without traveling to any of them

Frieza or Superman literally take days to move from one to the other and can't do them all so instantly and would run out of energy.
Sephiroth just goes boom doop woop zoop and the whole galaxy is caput
Goku is stronger than Buu and Gotenks and both of those characters were able to scream so hard it ripped a hole through dimensions. Goku can also use instant transmission to cross the galaxy in an instant. He just recently fought someone in the manga across galactic spanning distances because they were both using the technique.

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LordMarshal
10/03/23 8:03:32 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
???

DBS came out in 2017 and ended in like 2018

If saying Gear 5 is a spoiler then is saying random forms in DB spoilers?

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 8:05:30 PM
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LordMarshal posted...
If saying Gear 5 is a spoiler then is saying random forms in DB spoilers?

gear 5 is very fresh
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asdf8562
10/03/23 8:07:06 PM
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Hasn't it been selling to death by now that he isn't actually doing Supernovas. That its all an illusion.

The idea that he even is doing real Supernovas, doesn't make sense inverse.
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LordMarshal
10/03/23 8:07:42 PM
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Ok so he has Gear 1-4 yet someones going to be like OMFG I COULD NEVER IMAGINE A GEAR 5!

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WingsOfGood
10/03/23 8:08:39 PM
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LordMarshal posted...
Ok so he has Gear 1-4 yet someones going to be like OMFG I COULD NEVER IMAGINE A GEAR 5!

I didn't mark gear 5 out before
I did it cause user requested it

but what makes gear 5 is the big spoiler
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ellis123
10/03/23 8:24:34 PM
#46:


WingsOfGood posted...
that is nothing compared to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTc9sLmOR0A

it takes light 3 mins to go to mars and much longer to go to pluto

this all happen under 2 mins

this is BEYOND lightspeed
Correct. And Superman has traveled multiple lightyears in a couple of minutes, making him moving at roughly 1000x the speed of light.

There is beyond lightspeed, and there is *beyond* lightspeed. The meteor that Seph called, not him as you erroneously said, is moving faster than light speed, certainly, but it is still orders of magnitude below superman.

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Enclave
10/03/23 8:52:29 PM
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People always point to Supernova when a FFVII vs fight comes up but it's the most obviously fake feat ever. After the spell is cast the planet is still there and the people fighting take a percentage of their health in damage, it's a glorified demi spell.

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Tyranthraxus
10/03/23 9:04:31 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
Conquerors Haki isn't about mind control
It was the closest comparison I could think of.

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