Current Events > In ResetERA news: Users are actively PISSED OFF how Cait Sith is pronounced

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SilvosForever
10/03/23 3:30:49 PM
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"Cultural Erasure!"

And anyone pronouncing it the correct way are "problematic". (What's new on this site?)

I'm as left-leaning as anyone but some of the site's user have tissue-thick skin when it comes to.....fucking every issue.

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#80: Playing in Japanese then, fuck that. Feels like erasure to pander to English speakers and mad disrespectful of the culture that the game is appropriating.

It's no different to times when there's a "foreign sounding name" but media for whatever reason feels it's too foreign and so assigns a more palatable version. Absolute nonsense that shouldn't be entertained nowadays.

#240: I hope there will be enough pushback that SE is forced to recant this and re-record all the lines with the correct pronunciation.

Knowing the origin of the name and and mythology behind it, giving the character a Scottish accent, but still choosing to change the pronunciation to cop out to indifference and stubbornness is so disappointing and disrespectful.

#325: As an Irish person I think this is a poor decision by Square Enix and is supremely regrettable, but ultimately I understand why this happened.

What I am not OK with is the fucking gigantic number of people in this thread proudly holding up their own ignorance of other cultures and going "nyeh nyeh nyeh, I was right, Gaelic People Were Wrong" and actively making fun of people who are invested in the history and culture of a nation, especially when it comes to Gaelic, a language that was violently repressed in Scotland and Ireland by the English. Ye all should be fucking ashamed of yourselves posting the shit you are.

#374: (A MOD) Given how the character presents themselves, through their accent among other things, some people will have issues with the stated pronunciation of the term put forward here. Especially considering some of the issues around the various forms of the gaelic language and English imperialism. We ask that everyone please be respectful to each other and not glibly toss aside any issues one might have.

I don't give a flying fuck one way or the other how the name is pronounced. But I find it extremely fascinating how heated some people get about it.

Also, this site is what over-moderation actually looks like guys. You can't even mention certain games by name there.

I wouldn't be surprised if eventually anyone pronouncing it as "Kate-Sith" or any Youtube video using that pronunciation is just banned because of "insensitivity".

If you're on ResetERA and reading this too - enjoy the spotlight.

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NeonTentacles
10/03/23 3:32:01 PM
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When is Resetera ever not butthurt about something?

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SpiritSephiroth
10/03/23 3:32:19 PM
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Living up to the Reeeee in Reset

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MatzoTov
10/03/23 3:32:29 PM
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how was it originally pronounced?

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TomClark
10/03/23 3:32:42 PM
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Resetera are getting in a tizz for no reason? Must be a day ending in "y".

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SaikyoStyle
10/03/23 3:32:58 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
how was it originally pronounced?
Kate Sith

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:33:32 PM
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wait they chose to use Kate sith for the Remake 2 dub?

Cause I know its supposed to be Ket She

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MarcyWarcy
10/03/23 3:33:45 PM
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that seems like the least interesting discussion that has taken place over the last century at least

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:34:06 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
how was it originally pronounced?
Its supposed to be Ket She. Its an actual type of fae folk in Celtic myth i think
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Irony
10/03/23 3:34:21 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
how was it originally pronounced?
The way it's been officially confirmed to be pronounced like for the second time

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Axiom
10/03/23 3:34:24 PM
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Zikten posted...
wait they chose to use Kate sith for the Remake 2 dub?

Cause I know its supposed to be Ket She
Nah Ket She is dumb and wrong. Kate Sith supremacy
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Strider102
10/03/23 3:35:35 PM
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They're joining the Aeris and Tie-dus crowd.

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Boombam99
10/03/23 3:36:21 PM
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Its a fucking cat riding on a stuffed moogle in a made up world in a video game. Who gives a shit how its pronounced
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WarfireX
10/03/23 3:36:38 PM
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Glad this ridiculous conspiracy theory has finally been put to rest. Hats off to Square for doing the right thing.

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Priere
10/03/23 3:37:15 PM
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They need to learn how to cope.

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:37:51 PM
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Axiom posted...
Nah Ket She is dumb and wrong. Kate Sith supremacy
Its literally how its said in Gaelic. Square is wrong
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DrizztLink
10/03/23 3:38:16 PM
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The main issue here is people are interacting with Cait Sith.

Even Cait Sith doesn't want to be around Cait Sith.

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:38:41 PM
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WarfireX posted...
Glad this ridiculous conspiracy theory has finally been put to rest. Hats off to Square for doing the right thing.

Its not a conspiracy, its just japanese devs being ignorant of how Gaelic works
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Guide
10/03/23 3:39:10 PM
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MatzoTov posted...
how was it originally pronounced?

Like someone who speaks English but not Gaelic would say it. Extremely unlikely the name came from any sort of respect to its real world origins; JRPGs are full of "because it sounds cool", and that's absolutely fine.

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UnholyMudcrab
10/03/23 3:39:47 PM
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JRPGs are absolutely lousy with mispronounced names from various mythologies and legends

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Powdered_Toast
10/03/23 3:40:08 PM
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Now that we know they're wrong about Cait Sith we can throw "aerith" in the trash bin too.

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The23rdMagus
10/03/23 3:40:50 PM
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Zikten posted...
Its not a conspiracy, its just japanese devs being ignorant of how Gaelic works
Yep. Regrettable and I'll probably sigh the first few times I hear it spoken, but whatever. It's a game. Some games have imperfect dubs, and it won't stop me from enjoying the rest of the game.

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:40:58 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
JRPGs are absolutely lousy with mispronounced names from various mythologies and legends
Also making Shiva female in final fantasy, even though its a male figure in actual hinduism
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furb
10/03/23 3:41:12 PM
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I played this game in the 90s. I had no idea Kate Sith was wrong. Even going into this thread I assumed it was right

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harley2280
10/03/23 3:42:22 PM
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Zikten posted...
Its literally how its said in Gaelic. Square is wrong
Its Square's character. They're the ones who determine how it's pronounced.

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The23rdMagus
10/03/23 3:43:44 PM
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harley2280 posted...
Its Square's character. They're the ones who determine how it's pronounced.
It just happened to be spelled exactly the same as another name that's pronounced completely differently. That's the frustration.

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Guide
10/03/23 3:43:50 PM
#28:


Zikten posted...
Its literally how its said in Gaelic. Square is wrong

Are they speaking Gaelic?

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ai123
10/03/23 3:43:50 PM
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Gaelic pronunciation can be quite the challenge.

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Guide
10/03/23 3:44:17 PM
#30:


ai123 posted...
Garlic pronunciation can be quite the challenge.

I've made it to three whole cloves before becoming unintelligible.

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Garioshi
10/03/23 3:44:47 PM
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Hasn't it always been pronounced cat sheath

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:44:58 PM
#32:


Guide posted...
Are they speaking Gaelic?
No but supposedly he has an Irish accent in the remake
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teep_
10/03/23 3:45:31 PM
#33:


I hope the people annoyed over this are just as annoyed over how much media mangles German names. Japanese media in particular, but not exclusively

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Guide
10/03/23 3:46:18 PM
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Zikten posted...
No but supposedly he has an Irish accent in the remake

Oh god, if that's case, it really would get annoying. It's one thing to have a corruption of another language in your own, but... to have the accent and pronounce the.. ugh, no.

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ai123
10/03/23 3:46:27 PM
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Guide posted...
I've made it to three whole cloves before becoming unintelligible.
Fucking autocorrect can be a real bastard.

Probably racist too.


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Boombam99
10/03/23 3:48:43 PM
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Zikten posted...
No but supposedly he has an Irish accent in the remake

which never made sense in the first place considering its Reeve
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Guide
10/03/23 3:48:55 PM
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ai123 posted...
Fucking autocorrect can be a real bastard.

Probably racist too.

Don't think the autocorrect has a stormfront account, but idk maybe

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harley2280
10/03/23 3:49:04 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
It just happened to be spelled exactly the same as another name that's pronounced completely differently. That's the frustration.
So you're frustrated that heteronyms exist?

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GrandConjuraton
10/03/23 3:49:10 PM
#39:


Axiom posted...
Nah Ket She is dumb and wrong. Kate Sith supremacy


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WarfireX
10/03/23 3:49:24 PM
#40:


Zikten posted...
Its not a conspiracy, its just japanese devs being ignorant of how Gaelic works
Then why are they saying Kate Sith in the remake?

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Balnazarr
10/03/23 3:50:43 PM
#41:


Why are people here so obsessed with resetERA? Are you that attention starved that you have to bring drama from another forum to here? You people are always so outraged over people outraged.
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Zikten
10/03/23 3:50:58 PM
#42:


WarfireX posted...
Then why are they saying Kate Sith in the remake?
Because the Japanese devs are ignorant of how Gaelic works. It seems they didn't bother to do any research into how to pronounce it, despite choosing that cultural origin for the inspiration for the character
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WarfireX
10/03/23 3:52:40 PM
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Zikten posted...
Because the Japanese devs are ignorant of how Gaelic works. It seems they didn't bother to do any research into how to pronounce it, despite choosing that cultural origin for the inspiration for the character
You're saying they haven't had time to research this in the last 25 years?

No. You are wrong. Square settled this by giving us the pronunciation. If anything calling the Japanese devs ignorant of their own creation is extremely insulting.

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:55:03 PM
#44:


they have the time. They chose to never do it. On purpose
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TheDurinator
10/03/23 3:55:50 PM
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Westerners getting mad over Japanese devs not giving a single fuck, a tale as old as time.
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Questionmarktarius
10/03/23 3:56:29 PM
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Zikten posted...
Its supposed to be Ket She. Its an actual type of fae folk in Celtic myth i think
Squeenix going with the "cat shit" pronunciation would get them in trouble with everyone who's not an internet nerd.
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WarfireX
10/03/23 3:57:16 PM
#47:


No, they chose to keep the pronunciation in its intended form.

This is just an extremely old "WELL AKSHUALLY" point that people liked to repeat, and now those people have been proven wrong. There might be a mythical Cat She creature, but the character in Final Fantasy 7 is not a Gaelic faerie. He is named Kate Sith.

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:57:21 PM
#48:


Ad purposely mispronouncing a cultural figure, and as I mentioned before, making a religious figure who is male, female, is insulting. Shiva is a major Hindu God. Hes male in Hinduism but they depict him as a woman in Final Fantasy. Square has a history of misrepresenting stuff like that
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BurmesePenguin
10/03/23 3:57:23 PM
#49:


What's Resetera's take on the way Japanese names are pronounced in the English dub of Persona 5?

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Zikten
10/03/23 3:58:04 PM
#50:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Squeenix going with the "cat shit" pronunciation would get them in trouble with everyone who's not an internet nerd.
You have to be an internet nerd to understand an actual language that people even in 2023 still speak?
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