Current Events > Has your view on vaccines for COVID-19 changed at all?

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Zaltera posted...

Got mine now. This Pfizer hasn't been as bad as the Moderna ones had been before. So far anyway.

Only side effect was some arm pain. Almost entirely gone now.

I was feeling pretty shitty the day of the most recent vaccine, but even worse the next day. I tried going to work, but I was just so exhausted that I ended up not even making it an hour before I went home for the day.

But I'll take that over covid itself (even my relatively mild case was not something I want to deal with)

This last time was the only time I "felt" anything from the vaccine, and it just made my sinuses act and made me achy the next day. That arm soreness is ridiculous though.

Views, didnt need it then and dont need it now. Life has been dandy.

No

I really didn't care for them being a healthy 20-something. then I grew up in time, I'm in my early 30s and now I get vaccines. I mean, I don't go crazy now, but I've been getting my flu shot which i don't think i ever did before.
It's all so...harmless and simple. It benefits others as well with you less likely to spend anything.

Zaltera posted...

Only side effect was some arm pain. Almost entirely gone now.

I had moderate arm pain on my first dose, and very mild on my second and third. No other side effects. All three shots were Pfizer.

I was half expecting pain and tiredness.

I got none

Nope. Never had a covid vax, and I've never had covid, though people I know who are b00sted to the eyeballs have had covid

BlockAddition posted...

Nope. Never had a covid vax, and I've never had covid, though people I know who are b00sted to the eyeballs have had covid

Im undecided if this is an honest anecdote or a subtle attempt at shifting some anti-vaxx propaganda

Dark_Arbron posted...

Im undecided if this is an honest anecdote or a subtle attempt at shifting some anti-vaxx propaganda

In 2023, you can always assume the worst about this by default. He's an anti-vaxxer who's lying.

I had a friend who had a bad allergy to Pfizer and had to use an inactivated virus vaccine instead. I support all forms of vaccines and are sick of certain people who downplay IV vaccines out of petty nationalism.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Im undecided if this is an honest anecdote or a subtle attempt at shifting some anti-vaxx propaganda

The anti-vaxx accusations are pretty dumb, its apparently a hard pill to swallow for alot of people that others are doing perfectly fine without it. There are people in this world who dont engage in politics at all.

Fenriswolf posted...

inactivated virus

That's what a vaccine is.

ooger posted...

That's what a vaccine is.

not mrna vaccines

BlockAddition posted...

Nope. Never had a covid vax, and I've never had covid, though people I know who are b00sted to the eyeballs have had covid

I'm assuming you're arguing in good faith for a second.

The primary purpose of the vaccine is to stop you getting as ill if you do catch it. Not to prevent you from catching it in the first place.

SHRlKE posted...

I'm assuming you're arguing in good faith for a second.

The primary purpose of the vaccine is to stop you getting as ill if you do catch it. Not to prevent you from catching it in the first place.

the polio vaccine has done a great job in preventing polio infections

potdnewb posted...

the polio vaccine has done a great job in preventing polio infections

Probably has more to do with the rapid evolution of coronaviruses and the shitty public health adherence than anything relating to vaccine technology.

potdnewb posted...

the polio vaccine has done a great job in preventing polio infections

You can still be infected by the virus even if you're vaccinated.

potdnewb posted...

the polio vaccine has done a great job in preventing polio infections

This might be a semantic thing here tbh. You still get polio it just prevents it taking hold and helps your immune system destroy it almost instantly. I don't think the same is true of Covid. At least not to the same extent but I'm happy (and hope I am) to be proven wrong. There are many examples of people still catching Covid and having symptoms despite being vaccinated which is why the primary benefit has always been to reduce the risk of serious infection from Covid rather than prevent it taking hold in the first place.

You can definitely argue that by not having as severe symptoms you reduce the risk of spreading it on further which is why the whole "I'm young and fit it won't kill me" is such a selfish argument because you can still pass it on to people who are more at risk.

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I'm against anti vax people and the ignorance they spout but is he wrong for suggesting the vaccine doesn't outright prevent you from catching Covid?

It certainly helps reduce the risk of getting a severe case of Covid and if your symptoms are lower you have a lower chance of passing which is obviously a good thing as well to avoid it being passed on to more at risk people. However I don't think it's really fair to suggest it prevents you from catching it 100% nor was it ever marketed as such.

From an official NHS booklet for adults:
https://www.ulh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/COVID-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-adults.pdf

"...some people may still get COVID-19 despite having a vaccination, but this should be less severe."

SHRlKE posted...

This might be a semantic thing here tbh. You still get polio it just prevents it taking hold and helps your immune system destroy it almost instantly. I don't think the same is true of Covid. At least not to the same extent but I'm happy (and hope I am) to be proven wrong. There are many examples of people still catching Covid and having symptoms despite being vaccinated which is why the primary benefit has always been to reduce the risk of serious infection from Covid rather than prevent it taking hold in the first place.

You can definitely argue that by not having as severe symptoms you reduce the risk of spreading it on further which is why the whole "I'm young and fit it won't kill me" is such a selfish argument because you can still pass it on to people who are more at risk.

no one gets tested for polio so your premise is rooted in conjecture based that nobody exhibits polio symptoms
as far as i know my polio vaccine has prevented me and everyone i do and don't know from ever getting polio

I'm not debating against the polio vaccine being a great thing that has prevented the spread of Polio and the horrors catching it can cause. Everyone should take the Polio vaccine because it's been proven over time to be incredibly effective. Like I said it's a semantics argument and I don't see any benefit to the topic of debating it any further that we have.

The point I want to concentrate on and the one that's actually relevant to this topic is that the Covid vaccine doesn't have anywhere near the efficacy at stopping you from catching Covid in the first place. It's primary benefit is to stop you getting as ill if you do catch Covid and reduce symptoms to help reduce the chances of passing it on.

Which is obviously a great thing as well and a good enough reason on it's own merit for taking it.

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Obviously I meant the Pfizer COVID19 vaccine.

There are people back in the Politics board, who are US nationalists and falsely claimed that the efficiency rate of IV vaccines like Coronavac is 3%, which is not supported by any medical journal like the Lancet. Even influenza vaccines have an effectiveness rate of 30%-60% yet they still save lives.

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Nah, you got like 80% of the south/midwest that aren't gonna mess with it unless theyre in the high risk category

I know people that are just waiting for it be officially approved beyond emergency use- which is probably an excuse, but oh well

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You got my hopes up. I was hoping we'd finally found a cure for MAGA.

Very wordy poll.

No, the first time I got the vaccine I got black poop for a week. Scared the shit out of me, I rather just take my chances.

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when was the last time anyone you know tested positive for polio

Are we also going to ignore the fact these covid-19 vaccines were produced at a very expedited rate compared to normal? These things are supposed to take decades. The fact they work at all is impressive.

I don't disagree with what you are saying. Malicious people do use it as an excuse to push anti-vaxx rhetoric and that is wrong.

But there are also a lot of people who are just simply ignorant and by lumping them all in together you risk alienating people who generally just don't know better and continue the us vs them narrative which isn't helpful in the slightest and pushes them further down the rabbit hole.

Back to the point at hand though I think it's a bit disingenuous to push the point that the Covid vaccine, which isn't marketed as it's primary benefit being preventing you from catching Covid in the first place, is anywhere comparable to something like the Polio vaccine that has a 99.9% efficacy rate at stopping you being affected by Polio.

Out of curiosity what is the efficacy of the Covid vaccine for preventing you from actually catching Covid in the first place? I'm trying to find something from the CDC but it's not easily discovered. I've seen figures ranging from between 40% and 70% reduction in the risk of catching Covid but I'm trying to find a reputable site.

For what it's worth even a 40% reduction in catching Covid makes it a big enough reason to get vaccinated, especially when added to the fact the vaccine also reduces your symptoms so that if you do catch it you are less likely to spread it forwards. But by pillorying anyone that tries to point out that it's not super effective at reducing the chances of catching Covid you don't do anyone any favors.

Ultimately though the biggest thing anyone can do to help reduce the risk to at risk groups is to simply self isolate if they are ill. I'd say this regardless of if you have Covid, the Flu or any sort of contagious disease that can cause harm to at risk people. Just be considerate y'all and stop being a martyr and going to work when ill.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Are we also going to ignore the fact these covid-19 vaccines were produced at a very expedited rate compared to normal? These things are supposed to take decades. The fact they work at all is impressive.

We have a new flu vaccine every year. My understanding is that there were able to adapt these vaccines to work with Covid which is one of the reasons they were able to get it out of the door so quickly.

SHRlKE posted...

We have a new flu vaccine every year. My understanding is that there were able to adapt these vaccines to work with Covid which is one of the reasons they were able to get it out of the door so quickly.

the flu vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine

SHRlKE posted...

We have a new flu vaccine every year. My understanding is that there were able to adapt these vaccines to work with Covid which is one of the reasons they were able to get it out of the door so quickly.

potdnewb posted...

the flu vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine

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Reminder that I'm not a biochemist or virologist, so I can hardly speak from a position of authority nor do I try to. It's just that to my knowledge vaccines usually take a much longer time to develop than the covid-19 ones did, so we should be grateful they even work as well as they do.

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See, these bold parts make sense. Thanks.

potdnewb posted...

the flu vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine

Ah so it isn't. That's for correcting me.

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the covid vaccine is the first mass released mrna vaccine lots of research no human trails until covid

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I believe this kind of thinking is dangerous and perpetrates the us vs them issues you guys have in the US at the moment.

Education is key. It isn't unsurprising that the majority of anti vax states tend to be where education has been decimated over the decades.

Can you please respond to the other points I made in my post though please. And if you are only going to indulge me in responding to any of the rest of my post can it be in regards to the efficacy in Covid vaccines for preventing catching Covid in the first place. I am genuinely struggling to find data on this over the last hour or so. This was a large part of my post and you chose to only concentrate on one part so it would be appreciated if you could on the other areas as well.