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Hickey_Blvd46
09/26/23 1:54:21 PM
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My daughter is white, but shes Jewish, so my boss at work doesnt consider her a White American for whatever reason. That same boss also says that Italians, Irish, Germans or Greeks are technically white but they arent considered White Americans either by a lot of people

All of the above are white people as far as I know and if theyre born in America. are they not considered American White? Why or why not?

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Revisited
09/26/23 1:55:01 PM
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White Anglo Saxon protestant
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MICHALECOLE
09/26/23 1:57:25 PM
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AloneIBreak
09/26/23 1:58:08 PM
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Certain kinds of cheese

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Murphiroth
09/26/23 1:59:14 PM
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This topic was surely made in good faith by a 2011 account with only this active post.
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asdf8562
09/26/23 2:04:49 PM
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Race is a social construct, so it's whatever humans want it to be in a given decade or even century.

Africa is a big ass continent, all Africans don't look alike with the same features, yet all are slapped with the same race, African.
Same to Asia, with Asians.
You already described the diversity in "white people" as not everyone agrees what classifies as white or not.

Hell, the 1 drop rule is still a thing in much of the world. There's people who can definitely pass for being white, but the fact that they have known African blood in them somewhere and some will dub you black.
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Raikuro
09/26/23 2:09:24 PM
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I have never heard Germans being considered not white
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Hickey_Blvd46
09/26/23 2:27:41 PM
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Raikuro posted...
I have never heard Germans being considered not white

I thought they were seen as American white too if they were born in America

Same with Austrians, Russians, other Eastern Europeans, etc.

I had no idea they were considered different

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Bass
09/26/23 2:29:41 PM
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Yeah, a huge percentage of white people in the country have some type of German ancestry. Them not being white makes no sense.

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Ivynn
09/26/23 2:33:13 PM
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Raikuro posted...
I have never heard Germans being considered not white

Ben Franklin infamously thought so.

the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionally very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.



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Starks
09/26/23 2:35:05 PM
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lolife67
09/26/23 2:35:18 PM
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First of all, your boss is racist.

Second, I'm not surprised so many people don't actually understand that "whiteness" is bs. Hence why there's no actual "white culture." That's because they make whoever they want "white" for the sole purpose of being considered the majority. Italians, Irish and many others we now consider to be white were not always considered so.
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Kradek
09/26/23 2:42:44 PM
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Revisited posted...
White Anglo Saxon protestant

Pretty much been this from the start.

As alluded to in the OP, the Irish and Italians were initially not considered "white" until they started hating the "right kind of people", then the people who claimed ancestors to the earliest days of America/it as a colony accepted them as part of their own. For the most part, anyways.

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Bass
09/26/23 3:15:05 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Ben Franklin infamously thought so.
Huh, you learn something new every day. Makes me think even less of him, though.

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NoxObscuras
09/26/23 3:18:00 PM
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My gf is half Jewish and half Italian. I'll have to inform her that she's not actually white /s

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Priere
09/26/23 3:19:26 PM
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Im 1/8th Chinese and 7/8ths white.

Can i use that 1/8th to absolve myself of any guilt?

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rexcrk
09/26/23 3:19:57 PM
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Murphiroth posted...
This topic was surely made in good faith by a 2011 account with only this active post.


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andel
09/26/23 3:24:13 PM
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in modern america basically any western/northern/eastern european is considered white. the concept in america has constantly changed though to include people as a means of excluding others

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Guide
09/26/23 3:27:42 PM
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lolife67 posted...
First of all, your boss is racist.

Second, I'm not surprised so many people don't actually understand that "whiteness" is bs. Hence why there's no actual "white culture." That's because they make whoever they want "white" for the sole purpose of being considered the majority. Italians, Irish and many others we now consider to be white were not always considered so.


"They" sounds like some evil secret monolith as opposed to changing social views. I get that there are racists that use "whiteness" in the way you describe, but does that mean what everyone else thinks of as "white" is invalidated?

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Prestoff
09/26/23 3:28:23 PM
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Revisited posted...
White Anglo Saxon protestant

This is the first thing that springs to my mind, considering I grew up in a heavy WASP community.

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Guide
09/26/23 3:31:17 PM
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Bass posted...
Huh, you learn something new every day. Makes me think even less of him, though.

You are too easily swayed by snippets of facts without context. He was one of the few of his time to change his views.

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-10-02-0214

I was on the whole much pleasd, and from what I then saw, have conceivd a higher Opinion of the natural Capacities of the black Race, than I had ever before entertained. Their Apprehension seems as quick, their Memory as strong, and their Docility in every Respect equal to that of white Children.1 You will wonder perhaps that I should ever doubt it, and I will not undertake to justify all my Prejudices, nor to account for them.

To see otherwise in a time when racism was considered normal and acceptable is no small consideration.

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lolife67
09/26/23 3:31:35 PM
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Guide posted...
They" sounds like some evil secret monolith as opposed to changing social views.
How and why do you think those social views changed?

Guide posted...
I get that there are racists that use "whiteness" in the way you describe, but does that mean what everyone else thinks of as "white" is invalidated?
Yes, actually. Most people don't even think about why they're considered "white" nor what that actually entails.
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AbsolutelyNoOne
09/26/23 3:31:47 PM
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literally it means what they want it to mean at the time. in the past America has been insanely racist towards people that today are considered "white" like Irish people or Italians.

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asdf8562
09/26/23 3:33:42 PM
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Priere posted...
Im 1/8th Chinese and 7/8ths white.

Can i use that 1/8th to absolve myself of any guilt?
Why would you have guilt in the first place?
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Guide
09/26/23 3:40:43 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Yes, actually. Most people don't even think about why they're considered "white" nor what that actually entails.

Most people think of it as a practical marker of identifying someone, or a broad description of a skin color. Sure, they don't consider the paradox of the heap, they don't split hairs; why is that usage made invalid because of racists?

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lolife67
09/26/23 3:42:24 PM
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Guide posted...
Most people think of it as a practical marker of identifying someone, or a broad description of a skin color. Sure, they don't consider the paradox of the heap, they don't split hairs; why is that usage made invalid because of racists?
If you answer the first question I asked then you'll know the answer to your question.
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Priere
09/26/23 3:43:07 PM
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asdf8562 posted...
Why would you have guilt in the first place?
Ive been told that some folx should carry guilt and the weight of all the privilege they seemingly have on their shoulders.

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Guide
09/26/23 3:44:02 PM
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lolife67 posted...
If you answer the first question I asked then you'll know the answer to your question.
You asked a question that would take an essay. What, do you have a short answer for it?

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A_Good_Boy
09/26/23 3:44:12 PM
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Priere posted...
Ive been told that some folx should carry guilt and the weight of all the privilege they seemingly have on their shoulders.
Who told you that?

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lolife67
09/26/23 3:44:30 PM
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Guide posted...
You asked a question that would take an essay. What, do you have a short answer for it?
I have time. You don't have to rush.
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Priere
09/26/23 3:44:43 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Who told you that?
CE :(

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Guide
09/26/23 3:45:33 PM
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lolife67 posted...
I have time. You don't have to rush.

If you're being serious: It's really stupid to think you can just demand that out of a person.

If you're not: not even worth a lol

I can give you a chance; if you want that work out of someone, you should do it first.

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lolife67
09/26/23 3:58:06 PM
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Guide posted...
If you're being serious: It's really stupid to think you can just demand that out of a person.
Don't turn this around lol I asked a question and you said it'd take too long to answer. Nobody "demanded" anything. If you don't want or can't answer then just say that. That's not on me.
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Guide
09/26/23 4:05:07 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Don't turn this around lol I asked a question and you said it'd take too long to answer. Nobody "demanded" anything. If you don't want or can't answer then just say that. That's not on me.

I asked a question that you attempted to turn around on me, with a statement, not a question. Get hoisted.

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lolife67
09/26/23 4:06:33 PM
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Guide posted...
I asked a question that you attempted to turn around on me, with a statement, not a question. Get hoisted.
No, I asked a question first, which you ignored avoided. That's the actual sequence of events.
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Guide
09/26/23 4:08:10 PM
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Guide posted...
why is that usage made invalid because of racists?

lolife67 posted...
If you answer the first question I asked then you'll know the answer to your question.

See: Order of events, punctuation.


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GranAures
09/26/23 4:10:11 PM
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lolife67 posted...
How and why do you think those social views changed?
Post 22
Guide posted...
Sure, they don't consider the paradox of the heap, they don't split hairs; why is that usage made invalid because of racists?
Post 25 where you quote post 22.

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CobraGT
09/26/23 4:11:32 PM
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It is not just a social construct. It is s construct tuned by economic interactions and by the media.

If you take a random person from my neighborhood in Chicago and a random person from Orlando Florida, I am guessing that the two of us from my neighborhood will have more in common than the other 2 pairings because we are dealing with the same thing and we see the same thing.

However, say the other two immigrated from Peru. I am going to call that they will believe that they two have more in common.

People vote for stuff obviously bad for them because they have been persuaded that they belong to white America and what they voted for is good for white America.

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Guide
09/26/23 4:21:21 PM
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GranAures posted...
Post 22

Post 25 where you quote post 22.

Specifically quoting and responding to the second portion, which was deflected to a broad troll question.

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Questionmarktarius
09/26/23 4:24:15 PM
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AloneIBreak posted...
Certain kinds of cheese

Starks posted...
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lolife67
09/26/23 4:26:06 PM
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Guide posted...
Specifically quoting and responding to the second portion, which was deflected to a broad troll question.
I wasn't trolling, though? You've also spent about the same amount of time deflecting as it may have taken to actually answer the question.
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GranAures
09/26/23 4:32:03 PM
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And you were returned to the first question.

As such, in your words:

Guide posted...
Order of events

You were asked a question, ignored it, decided instead to respond to half of the post with a new question and got directed back to the one you ignored. When you bowed up you were told that you were not demanded and were told you could have just said you could have just said you couldn't or wouldn't answer then tried to claim no question was asked.

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Zelduh
09/26/23 4:33:24 PM
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There's no such thing as white it's a fake social construct
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lolife67
09/26/23 4:40:24 PM
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GranAures posted...
And you were returned to the first question.

As such, in your words:

You were asked a question, ignored it, decided instead to respond to half of the post with a new question and got directed back to the one you ignored. When you bowed up you were told that you were not demanded and were told you could have just said you could have just said you couldn't or wouldn't answer then tried to claim no question was asked.
I'm glad someone else was paying attention lol
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andel
09/26/23 4:42:30 PM
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Zelduh posted...
There's no such thing as white it's a fake social construct

every race is a 'fake social construct' but perception becomes reality in practice. irish people are considered white now while they mostly weren't 100+ years ago. same with italians and jewish people.

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09/26/23 5:03:09 PM
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Hickey_Blvd46
09/26/23 7:46:40 PM
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andel posted...
every race is a 'fake social construct' but perception becomes reality in practice. irish people are considered white now while they mostly weren't 100+ years ago. same with italians and jewish people.

Theyre all considered white by the masses? It sure doesnt seem that way from what I see. Even today.

Even if they technically all are American white

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