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Trumpo
09/26/23 9:00:10 AM
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My lunches were free from elementary to high school due to poverty level.

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Avirosb
09/26/23 9:35:11 AM
#53:


lilORANG posted...
Just give the kids an ice cream jfc
What about some food that actually stimulate intellectual learning?

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Ricemills
09/27/23 4:47:51 AM
#54:


Avirosb posted...
What about some food that actually stimulate intellectual learning?

So, ice cream?

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Cheetaluv
09/27/23 5:00:12 AM
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I guess pay your debt and don't make any you can't afford to, wish the government and others could learn this as well.

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Pitlord_Special
09/27/23 5:02:06 AM
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"ice cream is for winners, and the children of winners, go eat dirt with the other losers, kid"

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DnDer
09/27/23 5:37:36 AM
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Cheetaluv posted...
I guess pay your debt and don't make any you can't afford to, wish the government and others could learn this as well.

Personal debt and government debt do not operate under the same rules. At all.

To hold the government to the ideology of a household budget is... well, it just flies in the face of everything understood about macroecon.

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Revelation34
09/27/23 5:50:18 AM
#58:


Umbreon posted...
What's even the point of being the cool kid with spending money if you can't even buy ice cream for your buddies?

Absolutely designed to shame poor families.


Yeah definitely. There's no reason at all why that rule exists otherwise.

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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 10:56:57 AM
#59:


Revelation34 posted...
Yeah definitely. There's no reason at all why that rule exists otherwise.
I blame peanut-butter paranoia.
It's why there's a hard "no sharing" rule to school lunches.
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hereforemnant
09/27/23 10:57:53 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Teaching them capitalist bullshit at an early age, huh? "Even if you bring a dollar, and you are in debt, you don't get ice cream" is some cruel shit to do to a child.


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Hayame_Zero
09/27/23 11:00:11 AM
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On the one hand, I don't know if ice cream should be in cafeterias in the first place. There's a huge problem with healthy food options in schools and may be the foundation of eating disorders.

But on the other hand, this is just classist and cruel.

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faizan_faizan
09/27/23 11:15:10 AM
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My school had plenty of free food days. Feel bad for these poor kids.

At least some of them will learn about the value of money and the many realities of life early in their life.

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DnDer
09/27/23 11:41:21 AM
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faizan_faizan posted...
At least some of them will learn about the value of money and the many realities of life early in their life.

Because little kids need that kind of lesson at that age, right? Ten-year-olds need to know about economic disparity between them and their friends? On ice cream day?

You're daft.

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faizan_faizan
09/27/23 11:47:08 AM
#64:


DnDer posted...
Because little kids need that kind of lesson at that age, right? Ten-year-olds need to know about economic disparity between them and their friends? On ice cream day?

You're daft.
Absolutely they do. Otherwise it's all a big charade in order to temporarily make them feel better which consequently can actually mess with kids emotionally. We should teach them early that prayers or hopes don't actually work.

You didn't bring them into a whimsical fantasy world, it's unfair to the kids that we lie about this. The inevitable realities of life should never be sugarcoated from children, no matter what.

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potdnewb
09/27/23 11:50:45 AM
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faizan_faizan posted...
At least some of them will learn about the value of money and the many realities of life early in their life.
this does not teach that
faizan_faizan posted...
We should teach them early that prayers or hopes don't actually work.
this is a terrible way to live
faizan_faizan posted...
You didn't bring them into a whimsical fantasy world, it's unfair to the kids that we lie about this. The inevitable realities of life should never be sugarcoated from children, no matter what.
you clearly dont believe in joy or fun
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darkace77450
09/27/23 11:51:02 AM
#66:


bigtiggie23 posted...
Every time they did these special days when I was in school they made sure every kid got to share in it.

That was socialism, and socialism is bad. Is Timmy's parents are too poor to afford ice cream, then Timmy needs to pull himself up by his bootstraps and get a job so he can afford his own ice cream. Being too poor for ice cream is a character-building moment for him and will make him a better man.
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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 11:52:45 AM
#67:


MabusIncarnate posted...
Teaching them capitalist bullshit at an early age, huh? "Even if you bring a dollar, and you are in debt, you don't get ice cream" is some cruel shit to do to a child.
I assure you, this is more due to USDA regulations or the same old "zero tolerance" mindset or something restricting access to the a la carte line, than actual malice. Probably both.
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faizan_faizan
09/27/23 11:57:50 AM
#68:


potdnewb posted...
this does not teach that

this is a terrible way to live

you clearly dont believe in joy or fun
What does it teach then?

They only way to live is to constantly lie to yourself and your children?

We can have joy and fun while acknowledging the world isn't exactly a fairy tale, it's much more cruel and hostile than we're led to believe and it's always been this way.

You owe it to your children to tell them what kind of world you've brought them into.

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potdnewb
09/27/23 12:04:17 PM
#69:


faizan_faizan posted...
You owe it to your children to tell them what kind of world you've brought them into.
not at 10 they will learn on there own in time anyways if they already haven't but denying a child a dollars worth of ice cream is just cruel and will do more harm than good
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faizan_faizan
09/27/23 12:16:09 PM
#70:


potdnewb posted...
not at 10 they will learn on there own in time anyways if they already haven't but denying a child a dollars worth of ice cream is just cruel and will do more harm than good
It's the parents' responsibility. You don't just let a child find out about stuff like impoverishment or income inequality on their own, that's very irresponsible.

Let me clarify my POV by saying I'm not justifying what's happening. I don't think it's right to deny a child a few dollars worth of ice cream, but this is what's going to happen and there's literally nothing the parents or the child can do about it. It's right to teach them about stuff like this and many more challenges they might potentially face before it happens so they can be mentally, physically and emotionally prepared for these inevitable realities.

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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 12:24:21 PM
#71:


Of course, the end result is that no one will get icecream at school ever again, because "equity" or "fairness" or something, and it's vastly easier to avoid the issue entirely.

...or, ice cream is quietly offered at the "rich kids" a la carte line, without any fanfare.
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GeraldDarko
09/27/23 12:29:40 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Of course, the end result is that no one will get icecream at school ever again, because "equity" or "fairness" or something, and it's vastly easier to avoid the issue entirely.

...or, ice cream is quietly offered at the "rich kids" a la carte line, without any fanfare.
Or just get everyone ice cream because it isn't expensive and would be a drop in bucket.

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DnDer
09/27/23 12:42:43 PM
#73:


faizan_faizan posted...
It's right to teach them about stuff like this and many more challenges they might potentially face before it happens so they can be mentally, physically and emotionally prepared for these inevitable realities.

There's a gulf of sanity between, "Let them suffer because the 10-yo needs to graduate from the school of hard knocks before their voice even drops," and, "teach them about economic inequality without socially isolating them from their privileged peers."

Jesus Christ, dude. There is no need to inflict this harm on poor kids just so they learn that they're poor and it's shitty to be poor. And they can even be taught without the cruelty.

What happened to you to make you think this is an okay suggestion?

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UnsteadyOwl
09/27/23 12:45:49 PM
#74:


From someone who did grow up rather poor, kids who grow up poor are well aware of economic disparity without the concept having to be introduced to them by denying them ice cream that all their friends are getting.

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LordMarshal
09/27/23 12:47:20 PM
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Id have the biggest negative and send my child with hagen daz or Ben and jerrys

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Prestoff
09/27/23 12:51:12 PM
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I would be on the school side if this was a normal lunch day, but come on this is Ice Cream day especially in a elementary school setting where it's suppose to be exciting. I understand from a financial point of view that Ice Cream is not usually part of the federal budget when it comes to food, but sometimes taking a loss like this is worth it just to give the children an experience and I think this should be one of them.

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faizan_faizan
09/27/23 12:53:10 PM
#77:


DnDer posted...
There's a gulf of sanity between, "Let them suffer because the 10-yo needs to graduate from the school of hard knocks before their voice even drops," and, "teach them about economic inequality without socially isolating them from their privileged peers."

Jesus Christ, dude. There is no need to inflict this harm on poor kids just so they learn that they're poor and it's shitty to be poor. And they can even be taught without the cruelty.

What happened to you to make you think this is an okay suggestion?
People really struggle to read sometimes. You're really just arguing with yourself right now.

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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 12:53:36 PM
#78:


Prestoff posted...
but sometimes taking a loss like this is worth it just to give the children an experience and I think this should be one of them.
But, the school needs that ninth vice-principal!
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DarthAragorn
09/27/23 12:57:10 PM
#79:


why would we let the filthy poors have something mildly nice

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Revelation34
09/27/23 1:08:53 PM
#80:


potdnewb posted...

this is a terrible way to live


How? It's the truth. Especially the prayer part.

GeraldDarko posted...

Or just get everyone ice cream because it isn't expensive and would be a drop in bucket.


Depends on the ice cream.

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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 1:14:21 PM
#81:


Revelation34 posted...
Depends on the ice cream.
"Institutional" ice cream cups are less than a dollar. School is likely making money on this.
https://www.yelloh.com/product/vanilla-ice-cream-cups/53366
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Intro2Logic
09/27/23 1:21:22 PM
#82:


School lunches should be free, full stop.. For the selane reason the education is free.

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Revelation34
09/27/23 1:23:48 PM
#83:


Questionmarktarius posted...

"Institutional" ice cream cups are less than a dollar. School is likely making money on this.
https://www.yelloh.com/product/vanilla-ice-cream-cups/53366


I was just making a dumb comment. There's some really overpriced ice cream out there.

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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 1:24:27 PM
#84:


Intro2Logic posted...
School lunches should be free, full stop.
There's no damn way ice cream would ever be an "approved" lunch item, at least without a big lobby getting it declared a "dairy" option.
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nocturnal_traveler
09/27/23 1:26:12 PM
#85:


faizan_faizan posted...
What does it teach then?

They only way to live is to constantly lie to yourself and your children?

We can have joy and fun while acknowledging the world isn't exactly a fairy tale, it's much more cruel and hostile than we're led to believe and it's always been this way.

You owe it to your children to tell them what kind of world you've brought them into.
You sound like you would like Ayn Rands beliefs.

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andel
09/27/23 1:30:25 PM
#86:


party_animal07 posted...
Can't buy one for a friend is wild.

this, along with not being able to buy one with a negative balance. that seems purely vindictive with no actual purpose other than being a shitheel

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Questionmarktarius
09/27/23 1:36:12 PM
#87:


andel posted...
this, along with not being able to buy one with a negative balance. that seems purely vindictive with no actual purpose other than being a shitheel
It's almost certainly the way the payment systems are set up, likely in some misguided attempt to end "free lunch stigma" or lunch-money bullies or something.

  • No cash transactions - everything goes through a pre-paid system.
  • Negative balances can't use the a la carte line.
  • Kids are only allowed one ice cream.


How the hell could a kid buy another kid an ice cream?
"Nah, I don't really want it. You can have it Jimmy" is one possibility, but then schools are also super hard-ass about trading, because peanuts.
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toreysback
09/27/23 1:37:52 PM
#88:


so this is a fundraiser?

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David1988
09/27/23 4:00:07 PM
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I dont get it, why cant a friend buy for them? Thats not even capitalism, just a tax on being poor

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Voidgolem
09/27/23 4:04:39 PM
#90:


Things like this are why we can never have anything good.

Is it really that hard to just go "ice cream for everybody!" Without attaching some weird overhead to it that irrevocably stains the whole event?

There's nobody that benefits from this aside from whoever's collecting "lunch debt" causing a PR disaster over an insultingly small amount of money

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DerWillZurMacht
09/27/23 6:44:43 PM
#91:


DnDer posted...
Personal debt and government debt do not operate under the same rules. At all.

To hold the government to the ideology of a household budget is... well, it just flies in the face of everything understood about macroecon.
Money is fake. It's just smelly green paper. That flies in the face of macroeconomics.
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Vokrent
09/27/23 6:47:11 PM
#92:


David1988 posted...
I dont get it, why cant a friend buy for them? Thats not even capitalism, just a tax on being poor
that's the point

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cjsdowg
09/27/23 7:37:20 PM
#93:


faizan_faizan posted...
bsolutely they do. Otherwise it's all a big charade in order to temporarily make them feel better which consequently can actually mess with kids emotionally. We should teach them early that prayers or hopes don't actually work.

You didn't bring them into a whimsical fantasy world, it's unfair to the kids that we lie about this. The inevitable realities of life should never be sugarcoated from children, no matter what.

I really hope you are joking. And I fear you are not, because there are many people who take this idea saying we need to teach kids that life sucks as soon as possible. And no no we don't. If all goes well they would have 70 + years to deal with the harsh ness of life. let them have fun as much as possible .

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