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SilvosForever 09/25/23 11:04:26 AM #1:	I remember the GameCube being a bit of a beast and had more oomph than the PS2. But it's like.....the Wii, Wii U, and Switch every new generation was just a little bit stronger than the last. Now it feels like the Switch struggles to output stuff the PS3 could do. I know it's handheld, but still. Do you guys expect the next Nintendo hardware will be decent? Or will it continue to be the lowest common denominator? --- All your favorite RPGs: http://www.youtube.com/user/silvosforever http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af84/silvosforever/funnygif.gif <cite>SilvosForever posted [p:976294615] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>I remember the GameCube being a bit of a beast and had more oomph than the PS2. But it's like.....the Wii, Wii U, and Switch every new generation was just a little bit stronger than the last.Now it feels like the Switch struggles to output stuff the PS3 could do. I know it's handheld, but still. Do you guys expect the next Nintendo hardware will be decent? Or will it continue to be the lowest common denominator? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Will_VIII 09/25/23 11:06:37 AM #2:	SilvosForever posted... I remember the GameCube being a bit of a beast and had more oomph than the PS2. But it's like.....the Wii, Wii U, and Switch every new generation was just a little bit stronger than the last. Now it feels like the Switch struggles to output stuff the PS3 could do. I know it's handheld, but still. Do you guys expect the next Nintendo hardware will be decent? Or will it continue to be the lowest common denominator? If the next console is comparable to the Series S spec wise I'll be happy with that. It's not impossible with upscaling --- Advice from a dryer: Open the door to amazement. Don't shrink from your true calling. Accept life's wrinkles. Avoid overload. Reach into mystery! <cite>Will_VIII posted [p:976294648] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>SilvosForever posted... </cite><quote>I remember the GameCube being a bit of a beast and had more oomph than the PS2. But it's like.....the Wii, Wii U, and Switch every new generation was just a little bit stronger than the last.Now it feels like the Switch struggles to output stuff the PS3 could do. I know it's handheld, but still. Do you guys expect the next Nintendo hardware will be decent? Or will it continue to be the lowest common denominator?</quote>If the next console is comparable to the Series S spec wise I'll be happy with that. It's not impossible with upscaling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/25/23 11:07:25 AM #3:	Because it is. They have a massive rabidly loyal fanbase who doesnt care so they get to save money by producing dirt cheap hardware and the internet will contort itself into a pretzel justifying it and defending them. Thats fine for first and second party titles. But it gets very confusing when people defend buying third parties on Nintendo hardware. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976294661] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Because it is.They have a massive rabidly loyal fanbase who doesnt care so they get to save money by producing dirt cheap hardware and the internet will contort itself into a pretzel justifying it and defending them.Thats fine for first and second party titles. But it gets very confusing when people defend buying third parties on Nintendo hardware. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 09/25/23 11:07:37 AM #4:	The Switch is 5 times as powerful as the PS3, it is called lazy coding. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:976294666] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>The Switch is 5 times as powerful as the PS3, it is called lazy coding. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aressar 09/25/23 11:09:26 AM #5:	Because Nintendo's games are meant for those of a few generations behind everyone else. --- One time, CE triggered me so hard with their objectively wrong opinions that I accidentally punched myself in the balls. <cite>Aressar posted [p:976294698] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Because Nintendo's games are meant for those of a few generations behind everyone else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/25/23 11:09:28 AM #6:	they care more about the games themselves consoles are already multiple generations behind PCs even on day 1 of a brand new console. so sony and xbox owners dont get to act high and mighty about graphics <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976294701] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>they care more about the games themselvesconsoles are already multiple generations behind PCs even on day 1 of a brand new console. so sony and xbox owners dont get to act high and mighty about graphics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 09/25/23 11:10:18 AM #7:	Doesn't seem like they need to stay ahead of the power curve to move units, so they don't. That seems to be the long and short of it --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:976294714] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't seem like they need to stay ahead of the power curve to move units, so they don't. That seems to be the long and short of it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AnsestralRecall 09/25/23 11:11:39 AM #8:	Software is far more important than hardware and Nintendo has the software. <cite>AnsestralRecall posted [p:976294730] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Software is far more important than hardware and Nintendo has the software.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 09/25/23 11:12:09 AM #9:	different strategy by nintendo. theres more than one way to skin a cat, as they say. <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:976294738] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>different strategy by nintendo. theres more than one way to skin a cat, as they say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
superbot400 09/25/23 11:13:25 AM #10:	They stop trying to complete with Microsoft and Sony. So they created a special market for themselves to make games and stay in business. GameCube lack many features that Xbox and PlayStation had the time like online play and dvd in their console. --- http://spinsulin.freeforums.org/the-fantastic-four-respect-thread-t4436.html, my huge ass respect thread. You won't see it. <cite>superbot400 posted [p:976294752] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>They stop trying to complete with Microsoft and Sony. So they created a special market for themselves to make games and stay in business.GameCube lack many features that Xbox and PlayStation had the time like online play and dvd in their console. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Nintendo_Master 09/25/23 11:13:33 AM #11:	Because with the Wii they decided to throw everything away in an attempt to pull in casual gamers and grandparents --- He who laughs last thinks slowest. <cite>The_Nintendo_Master posted [p:976294755] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Because with the Wii they decided to throw everything away in an attempt to pull in casual gamers and grandparents </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/25/23 11:18:11 AM #12:	Probably because it is, lol. But yeah, the Wii basically got them into a mindset of utilizing older hardware to the best of its abilities. Mostly a cost-cutting measure. The next console that would be coming out, I don't believe the rumors saying it'll be comparable to the PS5/XSX. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976294835] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Probably because it is, lol.But yeah, the Wii basically got them into a mindset of utilizing older hardware to the best of its abilities. Mostly a cost-cutting measure. The next console that would be coming out, I don't believe the rumors saying it'll be comparable to the PS5/XSX. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/25/23 11:18:41 AM #13:	The_Nintendo_Master posted... Because with the Wii they decided to throw everything away in an attempt to pull in casual gamers and grandparents A decision vindicated by the sales of the Wii vs GC. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976294843] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>The_Nintendo_Master posted... </cite><quote>Because with the Wii they decided to throw everything away in an attempt to pull in casual gamers and grandparents</quote>A decision vindicated by the sales of the Wii vs GC. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 09/25/23 11:21:06 AM #14:	Because the last time they tried for parity with Playstation and Xbox, they got their ass kicked. (Though in Gamecube's case, it was also their insistence on using mini discs.) Wii and later on Switch gave them very lucrative niches to exploit, and they don't need state-of-the-art specs for their own games. Yeah, you miss out on a lot of big third party games, but most people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo-published games anyway; most Nintendo console-owners have a second console and/or PC to play the other big titles on. --- Eat the rich Destroy the GOP <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:976294893] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Because the last time they tried for parity with Playstation and Xbox, they got their ass kicked. (Though in Gamecube's case, it was also their insistence on using mini discs.)Wii and later on Switch gave them very lucrative niches to exploit, and they don't need state-of-the-art specs for their own games. Yeah, you miss out on a lot of big third party games, but most people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo-published games anyway; most Nintendo console-owners have a second console and/or PC to play the other big titles on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 09/25/23 11:23:22 AM #15:	Both the Wii and Switch sold much, much better than the GameCube, especially the Switch. Nintendo's learned that trying to compete with Sony & MS on hardware doesn't work for them. If you want PS5 level performance you should get a PS5. I get that there are people who want Mario and/or Zelda games running on more up to date hardware but that's not how Nintendo does things. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:976294934] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Both the Wii and Switch sold much, much better than the GameCube, especially the Switch.Nintendo's learned that trying to compete with Sony & MS on hardware doesn't work for them. If you want PS5 level performance you should get a PS5. I get that there are people who want Mario and/or Zelda games running on more up to date hardware but that's not how Nintendo does things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/25/23 11:24:16 AM #16:	Solar_Crimson posted... Because the last time they tried for parity with Playstation and Xbox, they got their ass kicked. (Though in Gamecube's case, it was also their insistence on using mini discs.) Wii and later on Switch gave them very lucrative niches to exploit, and they don't need state-of-the-art specs for their own games. Yeah, you miss out on a lot of big third party games, but most people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo-published games anyway; most Nintendo console-owners have a second console and/or PC to play the other big titles on. Thats because of Nintendo shootings themselves in the foot though, and poor timing. The GameCube wouldnt have been a market leader because the PS2 was already dominating when it came out, but if theyd gone with DVDs instead of proprietary minidiscs, just as if theyd gone with CDs instead of proprietary cartridges for the N64, theyd have gotten a lot more third party support and performed a lot better. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976294950] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Solar_Crimson posted... </cite><quote>Because the last time they tried for parity with Playstation and Xbox, they got their ass kicked. (Though in Gamecube's case, it was also their insistence on using mini discs.)Wii and later on Switch gave them very lucrative niches to exploit, and they don't need state-of-the-art specs for their own games. Yeah, you miss out on a lot of big third party games, but most people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo-published games anyway; most Nintendo console-owners have a second console and/or PC to play the other big titles on.</quote>Thats because of Nintendo shootings themselves in the foot though, and poor timing. The GameCube wouldnt have been a market leader because the PS2 was already dominating when it came out, but if theyd gone with DVDs instead of proprietary minidiscs, just as if theyd gone with CDs instead of proprietary cartridges for the N64, theyd have gotten a lot more third party support and performed a lot better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NatsuSama 09/25/23 11:24:22 AM #17:	Because Nintendo doesn't really care about competing with Sony or Microsoft in being the strongest hardware. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT <cite>NatsuSama posted [p:976294951] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Because Nintendo doesn't really care about competing with Sony or Microsoft in being the strongest hardware. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 09/25/23 11:31:01 AM #19:	I'm about ready to finish up TotK. To be honest, I really can't stand the graphics anymore. It's literally giving me a headache, especially all the haze which is I guess to cover up the horrible textures because it's surely not making the game look better. If their next console isn't a great leap over this I'll be passing. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:976295062] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>I'm about ready to finish up TotK.To be honest, I really can't stand the graphics anymore. It's literally giving me a headache, especially all the haze which is I guess to cover up the horrible textures because it's surely not making the game look better. If their next console isn't a great leap over this I'll be passing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeeathLivesOn 09/25/23 11:32:21 AM #20:	PraetorXyn posted... Because it is. This I like Nintendo as a company and their games over what Sony/MS provide but this is the simple truth They've been behind forever - may was well stick to handheld and console/handheld hybrids going forward --- 'Just sitting around the house tonight w my dog. Felt like I should be doing something important, but couldn't put my finger on it.' - Phil Kessel on USA snub <cite>HeeathLivesOn posted [p:976295087] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Because it is.</quote>ThisI like Nintendo as a company and their games over what Sony/MS provide but this is the simple truthThey've been behind forever - may was well stick to handheld and console/handheld hybrids going forward </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 09/25/23 11:34:56 AM #21:	that's cause they been more focused on gameplay gimmicks rather than the hardware itself. i did love the main gimmick behind the Switch tho! and it does have some great games but yeah, the hardware is a bit behind by now. lol <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:976295125] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>that's cause they been more focused on gameplay gimmicks rather than the hardware itself.i did love the main gimmick behind the Switch tho! and it does have some great games but yeah, the hardware is a bit behind by now. lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 09/25/23 11:35:59 AM #22:	PraetorXyn posted... Because it is. They have a massive rabidly loyal fanbase who doesnt care so they get to save money by producing dirt cheap hardware and the internet will contort itself into a pretzel justifying it and defending them. Thats fine for first and second party titles. But it gets very confusing when people defend buying third parties on Nintendo hardware. --- Heavy weight, one more stone... https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:976295147] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Because it is.They have a massive rabidly loyal fanbase who doesnt care so they get to save money by producing dirt cheap hardware and the internet will contort itself into a pretzel justifying it and defending them.Thats fine for first and second party titles. But it gets very confusing when people defend buying third parties on Nintendo hardware.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 09/25/23 11:37:04 AM #23:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That's on Game Freak, not the Switch. While the Switch has its issues with performance, it can still run games like BotW, the Xenoblade games, and even Skyrim, Witcher 3, and DOOM reasonably well. Game Freak is just not accustomed to developing for consoles, at least in the timeframe that has been mandated for Pokemon games. --- Eat the rich Destroy the GOP <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:976295165] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> That's on Game Freak, not the Switch. While the Switch has its issues with performance, it can still run games like BotW, the Xenoblade games, and even Skyrim, Witcher 3, and DOOM reasonably well.Game Freak is just not accustomed to developing for consoles, at least in the timeframe that has been mandated for Pokemon games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/25/23 11:39:00 AM #24:	LeoRavus posted... I'm about ready to finish up TotK. To be honest, I really can't stand the graphics anymore. It's literally giving me a headache, especially all the haze which is I guess to cover up the horrible textures because it's surely not making the game look better. If their next console isn't a great leap over this I'll be passing. Yeah, the fog is there to try to make the game look better for sure. If one were to remove said fog the game ends up looking like a modern Pokemon game. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976295203] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>I'm about ready to finish up TotK.To be honest, I really can't stand the graphics anymore. It's literally giving me a headache, especially all the haze which is I guess to cover up the horrible textures because it's surely not making the game look better. If their next console isn't a great leap over this I'll be passing.</quote>Yeah, the fog is there to try to make the game look better for sure. If one were to remove said fog the game ends up looking like a modern Pokemon game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpawnShadow 09/25/23 11:39:46 AM #25:	Nintendo has consistently gone for older and less-expensive hardware since at least as far back as the original Game Boy. Its competitors, the Atari Lynx and Sega Game Gear, were both able to get working color screens back in the late '80s and early '90s, respectively, but the companies ended up having to jack up the prices of the systems to compensate, and the damn things ate batteries like they were candy. The Game Boy's monochromatic screen, by contrast, was cheap enough to keep the price down, and it could squeeze out a lot of time from four AA batteries, which kept it affordable for families. Once Nintendo got the legal go-ahead for the juggernaut that was Tetris and included it with the machine on launch there was just no way the Lynx or Game Gear could hope to win the handheld war, though the latter at least managed to stick it out into the mid-'90s before Sega discontinued it (and even then, Majesco was still selling it under license until 2000). This strategy has allowed their consoles to immediately profit at launch even before adding on any revenue from software, unlike Sony and Microsoft, who both favor the "loss leader" strategy of selling the consoles for less than the costs of design/manufacture/shipping/marketing/etc. should otherwise dictate their market cost in order to get people to buy the games and make up the difference there. IIRC, the only time Nintendo ended up selling a console at a loss on launch themselves was the Wii U, when they tried to bring themselves up to about the PS3/360's level hardware-wise. <cite>SpawnShadow posted [p:976295217] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Nintendo has consistently gone for older and less-expensive hardware since at least as far back as the original Game Boy. Its competitors, the Atari Lynx and Sega Game Gear, were both able to get working color screens back in the late '80s and early '90s, respectively, but the companies ended up having to jack up the prices of the systems to compensate, and the damn things ate batteries like they were candy. The Game Boy's monochromatic screen, by contrast, was cheap enough to keep the price down, and it could squeeze out a lot of time from four AA batteries, which kept it affordable for families. Once Nintendo got the legal go-ahead for the juggernaut that was Tetris and included it with the machine on launch there was just no way the Lynx or Game Gear could hope to win the handheld war, though the latter at least managed to stick it out into the mid-'90s before Sega discontinued it (and even then, Majesco was still selling it under license until 2000).This strategy has allowed their consoles to immediately profit at launch even before adding on any revenue from software, unlike Sony and Microsoft, who both favor the "loss leader" strategy of selling the consoles for less than the costs of design/manufacture/shipping/marketing/etc. should otherwise dictate their market cost in order to get people to buy the games and make up the difference there.IIRC, the only time Nintendo ended up selling a console at a loss on launch themselves was the Wii U, when they tried to bring themselves up to about the PS3/360's level hardware-wise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 09/25/23 11:40:27 AM #26:	I'd love if they could beef up the specs of their next console. Nintendo games don't try to be photo realistic or anything, but some games still suffer from frame drops, texture pop in, low draw distance, etc. Like, as much as I enjoyed Xenoblade Chronicles 3, it's performance would have definitely benefited from a stronger console. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:976295231] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>I'd love if they could beef up the specs of their next console. Nintendo games don't try to be photo realistic or anything, but some games still suffer from frame drops, texture pop in, low draw distance, etc. Like, as much as I enjoyed Xenoblade Chronicles 3, it's performance would have definitely benefited from a stronger console. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mad-Dogg 09/25/23 11:47:17 AM #27:	SilvosForever posted... Do you guys expect the next Nintendo hardware will be decent? Or will it continue to be the lowest common denominator? Nintendo is going to just keep doing them, so more than likely just a super switch 2 is coming up. Expect it to still be a good bit underpowered compared to a PS5 and xbox series x to keep costs down since there is no way they are giving up the current winning formula of having a console portable hybrid. From the wii on up, I do still get nintendo consoles to play some things like fire emblem and smash, but they are definitely 1st/2nd party/exclusives only platforms for me, with the very occasional indie that I buy on sale. To this day I still hate how nintendo does their online setup with a passion, and then continue to do this weird bone-headed decisions that just does not make sense to me. (I mean things like for how in smash ultimate you and a local friend can't go online with 2 players and say, make a hosted room....can only play quick match. Or how in super mario wonder the yoshis and nabbit are dedicated easy mode/beginner mode characters compared to say just making a easy mode a option you can toggle. These kind of stupid decisions). Well that, and nintendo is definitely the worst out of the 3 companies when it comes to carrying over your old purchases to the newer console. You can buy 3 different versions of super metroid across the wii, 3DS, and wii U but now they want you to just pay their fee to play it on what is basically a rental service instead of having a genuine virtual console to re-download purchases. Meh. --- GTag:MadDogg730 PSN:lMadDogg NNID:xMadDoggx NS friend code:5313-0564-0819 Go buy cyber shadow like right now. <cite>Mad-Dogg posted [p:976295344] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>SilvosForever posted... </cite><quote>Do you guys expect the next Nintendo hardware will be decent? Or will it continue to be the lowest common denominator?</quote>Nintendo is going to just keep doing them, so more than likely just a super switch 2 is coming up. Expect it to still be a good bit underpowered compared to a PS5 and xbox series x to keep costs down since there is no way they are giving up the current winning formula of having a console portable hybrid. From the wii on up, I do still get nintendo consoles to play some things like fire emblem and smash, but they are definitely 1st/2nd party/exclusives only platforms for me, with the very occasional indie that I buy on sale. To this day I still hate how nintendo does their online setup with a passion, and then continue to do this weird bone-headed decisions that just does not make sense to me. (I mean things like for how in smash ultimate you and a local friend can't go online with 2 players and say, make a hosted room....can only play quick match. Or how in super mario wonder the yoshis and nabbit are dedicated easy mode/beginner mode characters compared to say just making a easy mode a option you can toggle. These kind of stupid decisions).Well that, and nintendo is definitely the worst out of the 3 companies when it comes to carrying over your old purchases to the newer console. You can buy 3 different versions of super metroid across the wii, 3DS, and wii U but now they want you to just pay their fee to play it on what is basically a rental service instead of having a genuine virtual console to re-download purchases. Meh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 09/25/23 11:47:21 AM #28:	People need to realize that Nintendo won't be able to compete against Sony and Microsoft in terms of power because they're not that big in comparison to both of those companies. Sony and Microsoft are able to get parts for their systems at a cheaper and faster rate than Nintendo simply because they have higher buying and bargaining power. Not to mention when Nintendo did have the stronger console, they still "lost" the console war. Nintendo was smart to go into their own direction and because of this they're thriving in their own unique way. They're fully concentrated on their softwares/games and they know their specialty at it. Even if the inferior hardware that is the Switch, they still make games that run at a consistent FPS and are of high quality in comparison to some other AAA video game studios. They basically went soo much in their own direction, they basically created their own marketplace like Apple, where even a competitor like the Steam Deck isn't going to intrude on the Switches market share of the handheld/portable game systems. I'll say whatever Nintendo is doing right now is best suiting them, even though I really wish they would tone down on some of their "anti-consumer" stuff. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:976295346] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>People need to realize that Nintendo won't be able to compete against Sony and Microsoft in terms of power because they're not that big in comparison to both of those companies. Sony and Microsoft are able to get parts for their systems at a cheaper and faster rate than Nintendo simply because they have higher buying and bargaining power. Not to mention when Nintendo did have the stronger console, they still "lost" the console war. Nintendo was smart to go into their own direction and because of this they're thriving in their own unique way. They're fully concentrated on their softwares/games and they know their specialty at it. Even if the inferior hardware that is the Switch, they still make games that run at a consistent FPS and are of high quality in comparison to some other AAA video game studios. They basically went soo much in their own direction, they basically created their own marketplace like Apple, where even a competitor like the Steam Deck isn't going to intrude on the Switches market share of the handheld/portable game systems. I'll say whatever Nintendo is doing right now is best suiting them, even though I really wish they would tone down on some of their "anti-consumer" stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 09/25/23 11:49:45 AM #29:	Because they figured out that they can make a shitload of sales by using weaker hardware and making their consoles a lot more affordable than a PlayStation or Xbox from the same generation. This gives them a much larger install base to sell their first-party titles to make further profit. <cite>TMOG posted [p:976295382] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Because they figured out that they can make a shitload of sales by using weaker hardware and making their consoles a lot more affordable than a PlayStation or Xbox from the same generation. This gives them a much larger install base to sell their first-party titles to make further profit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 09/25/23 11:53:37 AM #30:	TMOG posted... Because they figured out that they can make a shitload of sales by using weaker hardware and making their consoles a lot more affordable than a PlayStation or Xbox from the same generation. This gives them a much larger install base to sell their first-party titles to make further profit. But Switch is the same price as the Xbox Series S. The OLED model is even more expensive than the S. It seems way overpriced for the performance. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:976295442] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>TMOG posted... </cite><quote>Because they figured out that they can make a shitload of sales by using weaker hardware and making their consoles a lot more affordable than a PlayStation or Xbox from the same generation. This gives them a much larger install base to sell their first-party titles to make further profit.</quote>But Switch is the same price as the Xbox Series S. The OLED model is even more expensive than the S. It seems way overpriced for the performance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CRON 09/25/23 11:54:58 AM #31:	LeoRavus posted... But Switch is the same price as the Xbox Series S. The OLED model is even more expensive than the S. It seems way overpriced for the performance. The Switch is $199, the Mini is $249, and the Series S is $299. --- Thanks for reading! <cite>CRON posted [p:976295466] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>But Switch is the same price as the Xbox Series S. The OLED model is even more expensive than the S. It seems way overpriced for the performance.</quote>The Switch is $199, the Mini is $249, and the Series S is $299. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 09/25/23 11:57:42 AM #32:	CRON posted... The Switch is $199, the Mini is $249, and the Series S is $299. Yep. The OLED is $349, and thus it's true that it's more expensive than the Series S, but then that conveniently leaves out that the Series X -- the top-of-the-line of the current Xbox lineup, similar to how the OLED is the top-of-the-line of the Switch -- is $499. So on average, Switch is still a lot cheaper than Xbox. Especially when you factor in the cost of online; $20 yearly (or $50 for expansion pack) compared to $60+. <cite>TMOG posted [p:976295506] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>CRON posted... </cite><quote>The Switch is $199, the Mini is $249, and the Series S is $299.</quote>Yep. The OLED is $349, and thus it's true that it's more expensive than the Series S, but then that conveniently leaves out that the Series X -- the top-of-the-line of the current Xbox lineup, similar to how the OLED is the top-of-the-line of the Switch -- is $499.So on average, Switch is still a lot cheaper than Xbox. Especially when you factor in the cost of online; $20 yearly (or $50 for expansion pack) compared to $60+.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pikachuchupika 09/25/23 11:58:38 AM #33:	I haven't bought a Nintendo console since the Gamecube. That's probably not going to change for the foreseeable future. Their games are overrated too. Mario and Zelda don't do anything for me. <cite>Pikachuchupika posted [p:976295524] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>I haven't bought a Nintendo console since the Gamecube. That's probably not going to change for the foreseeable future. Their games are overrated too. Mario and Zelda don't do anything for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GBH713 09/25/23 11:59:48 AM #34:	It feels like everyone has answered the question, so just a note that I don't think that you've used lowest common denominator correctly. If you're trying to insult people who buy Nintendo consoles, you'd want to say that it would continue to be aimed at the lowest common denominator. If you're trying to say that it would be the weakest console, you'd want to use a different phrase. --- GBH <cite>GBH713 posted [p:976295549] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>It feels like everyone has answered the question, so just a note that I don't think that you've used lowest common denominator correctly. If you're trying to insult people who buy Nintendo consoles, you'd want to say that it would continue to be aimed at the lowest common denominator. If you're trying to say that it would be the weakest console, you'd want to use a different phrase. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 09/25/23 12:00:23 PM #35:	Cause Nintendo doesnt care about power. They went for the portability route instead. Let MS and Sony fight it out for power. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:976295561] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Cause Nintendo doesnt care about power. They went for the portability route instead. Let MS and Sony fight it out for power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TMOG 09/25/23 12:01:46 PM #36:	Should also be added that having such a huge install base essentially allows first-party Nintendo games to advertise themselves, since a ton of people will be posting memes, screenshots, and videos on Facebook and Twitter and whatever other social media site they use. <cite>TMOG posted [p:976295584] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>Should also be added that having such a huge install base essentially allows first-party Nintendo games to advertise themselves, since a ton of people will be posting memes, screenshots, and videos on Facebook and Twitter and whatever other social media site they use.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 09/25/23 12:02:04 PM #37:	CRON posted... The Switch is $199, the Mini is $249, and the Series S is $299. The regular switch is $299, OLED is $349. Only the Lite is $199 which can't even be docked for TV output so it's strictly a handheld. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:976295594] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>CRON posted... </cite><quote>The Switch is $199, the Mini is $249, and the Series S is $299.</quote>The regular switch is $299, OLED is $349.Only the Lite is $199 which can't even be docked for TV output so it's strictly a handheld. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 09/25/23 12:07:59 PM #38:	LeoRavus posted... But Switch is the same price as the Xbox Series S. The OLED model is even more expensive than the S. It seems way overpriced for the performance. You're paying extra for the ability to have a handheld or traditional "console plugged into the TV" experience >_> --- https://i.imgtc.com/MGGa6Os.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:976295699] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>LeoRavus posted... </cite><quote>But Switch is the same price as the Xbox Series S. The OLED model is even more expensive than the S. It seems way overpriced for the performance.</quote>You're paying extra for the ability to have a handheld or traditional "console plugged into the TV" experience >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xlr_big-coop 09/25/23 12:09:03 PM #39:	PraetorXyn posted... Because it is. They have a massive rabidly loyal fanbase who doesnt care so they get to save money by producing dirt cheap hardware and the internet will contort itself into a pretzel justifying it and defending them. Thats fine for first and second party titles. But it gets very confusing when people defend buying third parties on Nintendo hardware. This. There's no denying they make good games but good lord you cannot criticize the thing without the NDF jumping to defend it. Yuzu shows us the true potential of their games if they weren't bound to such a pathetically weak tablet. --- :) <cite>xlr_big-coop posted [p:976295727] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Because it is.They have a massive rabidly loyal fanbase who doesnt care so they get to save money by producing dirt cheap hardware and the internet will contort itself into a pretzel justifying it and defending them.Thats fine for first and second party titles. But it gets very confusing when people defend buying third parties on Nintendo hardware.</quote>This. There's no denying they make good games but good lord you cannot criticize the thing without the NDF jumping to defend it. Yuzu shows us the true potential of their games if they weren't bound to such a pathetically weak tablet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 09/25/23 12:11:31 PM #40:	littlebro07 posted... You're paying extra for the ability to have a handheld or traditional "console plugged into the TV" experience >_> Which some of us never do. If theyd sell the opposite of a Switch Lite for cheaper that would be one thing. --- Console war in a nutshell: http://imgur.com/xA6GJZ9.png <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:976295790] in Why does i... [t:80576772]...</cite> <quote>littlebro07 posted... </cite><quote>You're paying extra for the ability to have a handheld or traditional "console plugged into the TV" experience >_></quote>Which some of us never do. If theyd sell the opposite of a Switch Lite for cheaper that would be one thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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