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Smallville 09/20/23 7:34:09 AM #1:	controllers back in 1981? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:976188913] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>controllers back in 1981? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kitt 09/20/23 7:35:24 AM #2:	Do you believe it was wrong for reagan to- Yes. --- What is up, my sister!? https://m.imgur.com/pmc9XsI https://m.imgur.com/hfzvdPe <cite>Kitt posted [p:976188927] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote><quote>Do you believe it was wrong for reagan to-</quote>Yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 09/20/23 7:39:15 AM #3:	Yes, the GOP hate the working class. --- Just call me Discount Dan. <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:976188977] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Yes, the GOP hate the working class. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 09/20/23 7:40:05 AM #4:	Kitt posted... Yes. --- I'm a long, long way from giving up Call me old-fashioned, call me a fool <cite>Error1355 posted [p:976188986] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Kitt posted... </cite><quote>Yes.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
celestia3 09/20/23 7:55:44 AM #5:	Obviously it was. Does anyone have a compelling justification they can rattle off? --- MLP Gen 3 was good. Vanai's alt <cite>celestia3 posted [p:976189119] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Obviously it was. Does anyone have a compelling justification they can rattle off? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 09/20/23 8:03:22 AM #6:	Yes --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:976189201] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LSGW_Zephyra 09/20/23 8:04:24 AM #7:	Yes --- Bioshock gave us a fictional world showing why libertarianism doesn't work. Cryptos/NFTs gave us the real world example (She/Her) <cite>LSGW_Zephyra posted [p:976189209] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/20/23 8:05:20 AM #8:	celestia3 posted... Obviously it was. Does anyone have a compelling justification they can rattle off? conservatives hate unions/striking because they think it means the worker is lazy <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976189215] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>celestia3 posted... </cite><quote>Obviously it was. Does anyone have a compelling justification they can rattle off?</quote>conservatives hate unions/striking because they think it means the worker is lazy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
celestia3 09/20/23 8:11:07 AM #9:	Kloe_Rinz posted... conservatives hate unions/striking because they think it means the worker is lazy I understand that, but in the 80s, they didn't say "because you're lazy asses." They always couched it in economic terms. I read a few longform articles about the strike a couple years ago, but I don't actually remember the stated reason the Republicans went with it back then. --- MLP Gen 3 was good. Vanai's alt <cite>celestia3 posted [p:976189270] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>conservatives hate unions/striking because they think it means the worker is lazy </quote>I understand that, but in the 80s, they didn't say "because you're lazy asses." They always couched it in economic terms. I read a few longform articles about the strike a couple years ago, but I don't actually remember the stated reason the Republicans went with it back then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/20/23 8:16:37 AM #10:	Really a leopard eats face moment. The ATC union was one of the few that had endorsed Reagan. It's members were largely Vietnam vets who learned ATC skills during the war and found a niche at airports. They weren't college educated for the most part, and while the job was fairly technical (nothing compared to nowadays), they were basically blue collar people. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976189332] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Really a leopard eats face moment. The ATC union was one of the few that had endorsed Reagan. It's members were largely Vietnam vets who learned ATC skills during the war and found a niche at airports. They weren't college educated for the most part, and while the job was fairly technical (nothing compared to nowadays), they were basically blue collar people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kawalimus 09/20/23 8:34:36 AM #11:	Yeah 100% but his aims and priorities were way different from mine so hes not going to give a shit if its morally wrong <cite>kawalimus posted [p:976189538] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Yeah 100% but his aims and priorities were way different from mine so hes not going to give a shit if its morally wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 09/20/23 8:38:03 AM #12:	Do you believe it was wrong for reagan to- Kitt posted... Yes. This. He was a giant POS who makes me almost wish hell was real. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:976189578] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote><quote>Do you believe it was wrong for reagan to-</quote>Kitt posted... </cite><quote>Yes.</quote>This. He was a giant POS who makes me almost wish hell was real. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 09/20/23 8:44:16 AM #13:	The Economy! How will the rich fly first class!! <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:976189638] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>The Economy!How will the rich fly first class!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 09/20/23 11:22:20 AM #14:	bump --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:976192281] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 09/20/23 11:24:17 AM #15:	I can understand why he did it, from the perspective of the office of the president of the US. But fuck Regan for busting their union. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976192317] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>I can understand why he did it, from the perspective of the office of the president of the US.But fuck Regan for busting their union. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 09/20/23 11:25:02 AM #16:	It was absolutely the wrong thing to do and the profession has never recovered, it has been perpetually short staffed and over worked ever since. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:976192332] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>It was absolutely the wrong thing to do and the profession has never recovered, it has been perpetually short staffed and over worked ever since. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 09/20/23 11:32:13 AM #17:	Enclave posted... It was absolutely the wrong thing to do and the profession has never recovered, it has been perpetually short staffed and over worked ever since. so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:976192460] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Enclave posted... </cite><quote>It was absolutely the wrong thing to do and the profession has never recovered, it has been perpetually short staffed and over worked ever since.</quote>so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReDaZnDraGoN97 09/20/23 11:39:10 AM #18:	Smallville posted... so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then? it is bound to be if they are understaffed and overworked quality of work drops naturally --- Not changing this sig until I think of something else to put on here <cite>ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted [p:976192591] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then?</quote>it is bound to be if they are understaffed and overworked quality of work drops naturally </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 09/20/23 11:39:20 AM #19:	Smallville posted... so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then? I think technology has advanced and the industry is much safer than it's ever been, but it's certainly worse than it would've been had Reagan allowed a negotiated agreement. <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:976192594] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then?</quote>I think technology has advanced and the industry is much safer than it's ever been, but it's certainly worse than it would've been had Reagan allowed a negotiated agreement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 09/20/23 11:40:41 AM #20:	Kitt posted... Yes. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:976192625] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Kitt posted... </cite><quote>Yes.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 09/20/23 11:40:53 AM #21:	BewmHedshot posted... I think technology has advanced and the industry is much safer than it's ever been, but it's certainly worse than it would've been had Reagan allowed a negotiated agreement. how do you feel about the laws like that state that police officers or firefighters can't strike? Iirc a law in most states --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:976192636] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>BewmHedshot posted... </cite><quote>I think technology has advanced and the industry is much safer than it's ever been, but it's certainly worse than it would've been had Reagan allowed a negotiated agreement.</quote>how do you feel about the laws like that state that police officers or firefighters can't strike? Iirc a law in most states </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bass 09/20/23 11:42:42 AM #23:	Absolutely. It was a power a president should have never used. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Bass posted [p:976192677] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely. It was a power a president should have never used. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 09/20/23 11:43:07 AM #24:	Smallville posted... how do you feel about the laws like that state that police officers or firefighters can't strike? Iirc a law in most states I am in a union that is not allowed to strike (not police or firefighter). I hate it. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976192685] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>how do you feel about the laws like that state that police officers or firefighters can't strike? Iirc a law in most states</quote>I am in a union that is not allowed to strike (not police or firefighter). I hate it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 09/20/23 11:44:11 AM #25:	Xenogears15 posted... I am in a union that is not allowed to strike (not police or firefighter). I hate it. what, you're a teacher or something? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:976192705] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>I am in a union that is not allowed to strike (not police or firefighter). I hate it.</quote>what, you're a teacher or something? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnsteadyOwl 09/20/23 11:46:02 AM #26:	It was a terrible thing. It was the federal government basically saying we don't need to respect organized labor in this country. --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." <cite>UnsteadyOwl posted [p:976192735] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>It was a terrible thing. It was the federal government basically saying we don't need to respect organized labor in this country. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xenogears15 09/20/23 11:50:59 AM #28:	Smallville posted... what, you're a teacher or something? Government worker, not a teacher. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976192838] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>what, you're a teacher or something?</quote>Government worker, not a teacher. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaltyWet 09/20/23 11:56:01 AM #29:	I had a coworker who was one of the fired controllers. He's still bitter to this day. --- FlowerBridge <cite>SaltyWet posted [p:976192943] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>I had a coworker who was one of the fired controllers. He's still bitter to this day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranTurismo 09/20/23 11:57:51 AM #30:	SaltyWet posted... I had a coworker who was one of the fired controllers. He's still bitter to this day. iirc reagan banned them all from ever working for the govt. or something like that. But clinton lifted it in '93. Your friend never went back to atc? <cite>GranTurismo posted [p:976192975] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>SaltyWet posted... </cite><quote>I had a coworker who was one of the fired controllers. He's still bitter to this day.</quote>iirc reagan banned them all from ever working for the govt. or something like that. But clinton lifted it in '93. Your friend never went back to atc?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaltyWet 09/20/23 11:59:14 AM #31:	GranTurismo posted... iirc reagan banned them all from ever working for the govt. or something like that. But clinton lifted it in '93. Your friend never went back to atc? No. He was 30 when he got fired. You can't start over at ATC unless you're under 31. He eventually got a job at the post office before getting back in aviation. --- FlowerBridge <cite>SaltyWet posted [p:976193002] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>GranTurismo posted... </cite><quote>iirc reagan banned them all from ever working for the govt. or something like that. But clinton lifted it in '93. Your friend never went back to atc?</quote>No. He was 30 when he got fired. You can't start over at ATC unless you're under 31. He eventually got a job at the post office before getting back in aviation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 09/20/23 12:00:24 PM #32:	Smallville posted... so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then? I certainly believe it's worse now than it should be. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:976193025] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>so do you believe the quality of air traffic controlling is worse now then then?</quote>I certainly believe it's worse now than it should be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 09/20/23 12:01:40 PM #33:	Air traffic controllers at the time made a few critical errors. They were already making a lot of money, the equivalent of like $120k a year today, firmly putting them in the upper middle class. They were federal employees and had exceptional benefits up to a and including retirement. On top of this they were asking for an enormous raise and a 32 hour work week. All of these things combined didn't really garner them any sympathy from the general public. The other critical mistake they made was thinking they couldn't be replaced. They believed that if they were to strike all air travel in the US would simply cease as it would be impossible to replace them. In reality nothing really changed. Replacements were brought in, air travel continued as normal, nothing bad happened. It's not too surprising how things turned out, and the result probably crippled organized labor in the US permanently. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:976193042] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Air traffic controllers at the time made a few critical errors. They were already making a lot of money, the equivalent of like $120k a year today, firmly putting them in the upper middle class. They were federal employees and had exceptional benefits up to a and including retirement. On top of this they were asking for an enormous raise and a 32 hour work week. All of these things combined didn't really garner them any sympathy from the general public.The other critical mistake they made was thinking they couldn't be replaced. They believed that if they were to strike all air travel in the US would simply cease as it would be impossible to replace them. In reality nothing really changed. Replacements were brought in, air travel continued as normal, nothing bad happened.It's not too surprising how things turned out, and the result probably crippled organized labor in the US permanently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/20/23 12:05:10 PM #34:	Straight up firing everyone was just vindictive, when the air force could have scabbed indefinitely. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976193108] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Straight up firing everyone was just vindictive, when the air force could have scabbed indefinitely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/20/23 12:10:08 PM #35:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Interesting. Thanks for that. I was in Italy and the airport screeners were "striking" by doing something called "work to rule" because it was illegal for them to formally strike. Work to [the] rule, for those who don't know, is basically follow every rule so closely that it bogs everything down. They were checking shoes, shoelaces, insoles, bags, hats, belts - everything that could be checked was thouroghly checked using every piece of equipment available. Then, sometimes re-checked the same way. Airports across the country were basically shut down because it was almost impossible to get through the checkpoint. Every employee was there though. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976193209] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Interesting. Thanks for that.I was in Italy and the airport screeners were "striking" by doing something called "work to rule" because it was illegal for them to formally strike.Work to [the] rule, for those who don't know, is basically follow every rule so closely that it bogs everything down. They were checking shoes, shoelaces, insoles, bags, hats, belts - everything that could be checked was thouroghly checked using every piece of equipment available. Then, sometimes re-checked the same way. Airports across the country were basically shut down because it was almost impossible to get through the checkpoint. Every employee was there though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/20/23 12:16:20 PM #36:	brestugo posted... Work to [the] rule, for those who don't know, is basically follow every rule so closely that it bogs everything down. Work-to-rule only, uh, works, because everyone knows the rules are largely bullshit meant as an excuse to be able to arbitrarily fire someone you just don't like. The "rules" themselves are a work-to-rule against wrongful termination lawsuits. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976193337] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted... </cite><quote>Work to [the] rule, for those who don't know, is basically follow every rule so closely that it bogs everything down.</quote>Work-to-rule only, uh, works, because everyone knows the rules are largely bullshit meant as an excuse to be able to arbitrarily fire someone you just don't like. The "rules" themselves are a work-to-rule against wrongful termination lawsuits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 09/20/23 12:18:16 PM #37:	Smallville posted... how do you feel about the laws like that state that police officers or firefighters can't strike? Iirc a law in most states Police officers shouldn't even be allowed to have a union. On the fence about firefighters. <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:976193368] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>how do you feel about the laws like that state that police officers or firefighters can't strike? Iirc a law in most states</quote>Police officers shouldn't even be allowed to have a union.On the fence about firefighters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smallville 09/20/23 12:22:57 PM #38:	BewmHedshot posted... Police officers shouldn't even be allowed to have a union. On the fence about firefighters. Why do you feel that way about police only, though? --- "That won't work Boss, hide the target in a place they're unlikely to be found"---GZ <cite>Smallville posted [p:976193456] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>BewmHedshot posted... </cite><quote>Police officers shouldn't even be allowed to have a union.On the fence about firefighters.</quote>Why do you feel that way about police only, though? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/20/23 12:30:13 PM #39:	Questionmarktarius posted... Work-to-rule only, uh, works, because everyone knows the rules are largely bullshit meant as an excuse to be able to arbitrarily fire someone you just don't like. The "rules" themselves are a work-to-rule against wrongful termination lawsuits. Agree to disagree on that. I tend to think rules protect us from asshats and other problems. However, I think we can agree that work to rule is a successful union tactic in Europe and elsewhere for unions that can't legally strike to make their issues known. Never really caught on in the US though. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976193615] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>Work-to-rule only, uh, works, because everyone knows the rules are largely bullshit meant as an excuse to be able to arbitrarily fire someone you just don't like. The "rules" themselves are a work-to-rule against wrongful termination lawsuits.</quote>Agree to disagree on that. I tend to think rules protect us from asshats and other problems. However, I think we can agree that work to rule is a successful union tactic in Europe and elsewhere for unions that can't legally strike to make their issues known. Never really caught on in the US though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 09/20/23 12:31:45 PM #40:	Kitt posted... Yes. Beat me to it If it weren't for Trump he'd be the worst president in history by far --- Asus ROG Strix Z790-E \| Core i9-13900k \| 64GB DDR5-6000 \| RTX 4090 24GB Dell AW3423DW QD-OLED - 1440p Ultrawide, 175hz, GSync <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:976193645] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Kitt posted... </cite><quote>Yes.</quote>Beat me to itIf it weren't for Trump he'd be the worst president in history by far </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/20/23 12:33:27 PM #41:	brestugo posted... However, I think we can agree that work to rule is a successful union tactic in Europe and elsewhere for unions that can't legally strike to make their issues known. Oh yeah - the culture of bureaucracy in Europe means work-to-rule is brutally efficient. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976193681] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted... </cite><quote>However, I think we can agree that work to rule is a successful union tactic in Europe and elsewhere for unions that can't legally strike to make their issues known.</quote>Oh yeah - the culture of bureaucracy in Europe means work-to-rule is brutally efficient.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 09/20/23 12:34:01 PM #42:	In the 1980 presidential election, PATCO (along with the Teamsters and the Air Line Pilots Association) refused to back President Jimmy Carter, instead endorsing Republican Party candidate Ronald Reagan. PATCO's refusal to endorse the Democratic Party stemmed in large part from poor labor relations with the FAA (the employer of PATCO members) under the Carter administration and Ronald Reagan's endorsement of the union and its struggle for better conditions during the 1980 election campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#Beginnings interesting --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png <cite>TheMikh posted [p:976193694] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote><quote>In the 1980 presidential election, PATCO (along with the Teamsters and the Air Line Pilots Association) refused to back President Jimmy Carter, instead endorsing Republican Party candidate Ronald Reagan. PATCO's refusal to endorse the Democratic Party stemmed in large part from poor labor relations with the FAA (the employer of PATCO members) under the Carter administration and Ronald Reagan's endorsement of the union and its struggle for better conditions during the 1980 election campaign.</quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#Beginningsinteresting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/20/23 12:36:05 PM #43:	TheMikh posted... Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#Beginnings interesting It was a total 'leopard eating the face' moment. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976193734] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>TheMikh posted... </cite><quote> Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)#Beginningsinteresting</quote>It was a total 'leopard eating the face' moment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 09/20/23 12:45:39 PM #44:	Smallville posted... Why do you feel that way about police only, though? The nature of policing. They have a monopoly on the legal application of violence and monopolies should inherently be distrusted. <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:976193893] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Smallville posted... </cite><quote>Why do you feel that way about police only, though?</quote>The nature of policing. They have a monopoly on the legal application of violence and monopolies should inherently be distrusted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 09/20/23 12:48:34 PM #45:	brestugo posted... It was a total 'leopard eating the face' moment. eh, he was the first fusionist president. with the comparatively more economically moderate republican presidencies in recent hindsight, they probably had no idea what they were in for when they backed reagan. --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png <cite>TheMikh posted [p:976193947] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>brestugo posted... </cite><quote>It was a total 'leopard eating the face' moment.</quote>eh, he was the first fusionist president. with the comparatively more economically moderate republican presidencies in recent hindsight, they probably had no idea what they were in for when they backed reagan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 09/20/23 12:50:44 PM #46:	TheMikh posted... eh, he was the first fusionist president. with the comparatively more economically moderate republican presidencies in recent hindsight, they probably had no idea what they were in for when they backed reagan. They found out. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:976193994] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>TheMikh posted... </cite><quote>eh, he was the first fusionist president. with the comparatively more economically moderate republican presidencies in recent hindsight, they probably had no idea what they were in for when they backed reagan.</quote>They found out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pnut027 09/20/23 12:55:26 PM #47:	As someone in aviation, I get why he did it. I dont remember all of the details, but if they went on strike while planes were in the air, then that could have been absolutely disastrous. Imagine if the crossing guards just up and abandoned kids in the middle of the streets. HOWEVER, I feel like bringing them all back to work with no backpay would have sufficed. And to bar them from federal benefits and jobs while theyre still required to pay federal taxes was complete bullshit. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. <cite>pnut027 posted [p:976194093] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>As someone in aviation, I get why he did it. I dont remember all of the details, but if they went on strike while planes were in the air, then that could have been absolutely disastrous.Imagine if the crossing guards just up and abandoned kids in the middle of the streets. HOWEVER, I feel like bringing them all back to work with no backpay would have sufficed. And to bar them from federal benefits and jobs while theyre still required to pay federal taxes was complete bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pnut027 09/20/23 12:56:31 PM #48:	Xenogears15 posted... I am in a union that is not allowed to strike (not police or firefighter). I hate it. I was AFGE for 12 years --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. <cite>pnut027 posted [p:976194111] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Xenogears15 posted... </cite><quote>I am in a union that is not allowed to strike (not police or firefighter). I hate it.</quote>I was AFGE for 12 years </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 09/20/23 1:10:38 PM #49:	I dont think unions for public sector employees should exist. <cite>Hospy posted [p:976194375] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>I dont think unions for public sector employees should exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 09/20/23 1:12:58 PM #50:	Hospy posted... I dont think unions for public sector employees should exist. Unions should ESPECIALLY exist for public sector employees, the power dynamic between a government and an individual is even higher than that of the power dynamic between a Corporation and an individual. Collective bargaining is essential. Realistically every job should be unionised. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:976194430] in Do you bel... [t:80571725]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite><quote>I dont think unions for public sector employees should exist.</quote>Unions should ESPECIALLY exist for public sector employees, the power dynamic between a government and an individual is even higher than that of the power dynamic between a Corporation and an individual. Collective bargaining is essential.Realistically every job should be unionised. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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