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Punished_Blinx
09/17/23 8:24:31 PM
#200:


Corbenik posted...
ofc i didn't say they were in the wrong or call it censorship

i just think its lame bro

thats all

i think im entitled to that opinion while still respecting the trans community

or no?

Why is it lame? Best case scenario they're still a troll using the site for something it wasn't intended for.

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GranAures
09/17/23 8:24:41 PM
#201:


Heineken14 posted...
Seems the assholes still have the option to make their own mod to remove the stuff that hurts their fee fees. Can they just not do that and stop being public assholes about it?
And the option to spread it privately.

They just got told they couldn't host it on this site and they sent threats over being told that.

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EthanSilver
09/17/23 8:28:21 PM
#204:


Corbenik posted...
i think im entitled to that opinion while still respecting the trans community

or no?
People can have dumb opinions. Ones based on nothing of substance. True.

People can also criticize you for it though. This is also true.
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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:29:31 PM
#205:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

As long as they aren't hurting anyone everyone has the right to pursuit their own happiness

also how am i defending them by saying its both lame
and how the website has the right to remove it?


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EthanSilver
09/17/23 8:31:53 PM
#207:


Corbenik posted...
also how am i defending them by saying its both lame
It's in the false equivalence.

Hyperbole to get the point across.

Saying Nazis and Jewz are both lame is doing more favors to nazis.

You're either malicious, or just plain ignorant.
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GrandConjuraton
09/17/23 8:33:10 PM
#208:


Scintillant posted...
morons in shambles


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Nemu
09/17/23 8:34:01 PM
#211:


One of those things that doesn't really matter in a vacuum, but makes sense why they don't want to host it either.
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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:37:01 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


What previous sentence?

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EthanSilver
09/17/23 8:38:09 PM
#214:


Nemu posted...
One of those things that doesn't really matter in a vacuum, but makes sense why they don't want to host it either.
Very true. In a world where one ignores current world issues. It can be innocuous.

But this is not a "happened" in vacuum sort of thing. This subject is in your face loud atm.
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lderivedx
09/17/23 8:38:14 PM
#215:


Good move by nexusmods. I'm not sure why people should have to tolerate hissy fits by manbabies.

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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:39:40 PM
#216:


EthanSilver posted...
Very true. In a world where one ignores current world issues. It can be innocuous.

But this is not a "happened" in vacuum sort of thing. This subject is in your face loud atm.
i think we might be in a vacuum

cause i can probably tell normie people about this and they'll be confused

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Inohira
09/17/23 8:40:57 PM
#217:


Thing is this these attempts at determining the psychology behind it are just guesses and probably don't universally apply. I have nearly 100 mods downloaded for Minecraft and I'm sure some of the changes are trivial and may not justify the effort of creating them, but it's just a part of customizing the game as close to my liking as possible.

Conflict posted...
in their own personal fantasy

That's the thing, what someone does in complete privacy is not my business.

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Heineken14
09/17/23 8:43:38 PM
#219:


Inohira posted...
Thing is this these attempts at determining the psychology behind it are just guesses and probably don't universally apply. I have nearly 100 mods downloaded for Minecraft and I'm sure some of the changes are trivial and may not justify the effort of creating them, but it's just a part of customizing the game as close to my liking as possible.


The bigots still have the option to do so.

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thronedfire2
09/17/23 8:44:52 PM
#220:


Corbenik posted...
i think we might be in a vacuum

cause i can probably tell normie people about this and they'll be confused

you mean ignorant people? yeah, they'll be confused. but are you going to explain things to them, or say that some mod site went against some bigots freedom of speech?

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GranAures
09/17/23 8:45:50 PM
#221:


And they can share it in privacy.

They don't need it publicly hosted to do so.

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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:46:15 PM
#222:


thronedfire2 posted...
you mean ignorant people? yeah, they'll be confused. but are you going to explain things to them, or say that some mod site went against some bigots freedom of speech?
they'll be like whats a mod?

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EthanSilver
09/17/23 8:48:40 PM
#223:


Corbenik posted...
i think we might be in a vacuum

cause i can probably tell normie people about this and they'll be confused
Nice try. But ignoring that anecdotes are meaningless...

Politically speaking, it's a relevant issue. Which is the point. Of course I'm not arguing everybody and their grandmother knows about this either.

Politically relevant, which ties in neatly to why the hub ub regarding this title. Ergo, not in a vacuum, regardless of whether you want it to be, so you could dismiss it.
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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:53:08 PM
#224:


EthanSilver posted...
Nice try. But ignoring that anecdotes are meaningless...

Politically speaking, it's a relevant issue. Which is the point. Of course I'm not arguing everybody and their grandmother knows about this either.

Politically relevant, which ties in neatly to why the hub ub regarding this title. Ergo, not in a vacuum, regardless of whether you want it to be, so you could dismiss it.
I'm not saying it isn't important

I'm just saying its not in most people's faces
I was just saying we're gamers so ofc we're gonna hear about this news

its not like news EVERYONE is hearing about
like Trump's impeachment/arrest

that is all
sorry about any confusion

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hockeybub89
09/17/23 8:53:17 PM
#225:


Corbenik posted...
i think we might be in a vacuum

cause i can probably tell normie people about this and they'll be confused
So you don't know any normie conservatives? Because every mainstream politicians and news source that appeals to them can't shut the fuck up about trans people and other queer issues. They're always complaining about pronouns even if they aren't aware of Starfield specifically.

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thronedfire2
09/17/23 8:53:38 PM
#226:


Corbenik posted...
they'll be like whats a mod?

yeah fuck you

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potdnewb
09/17/23 8:53:54 PM
#228:


is there really a movement to force them/they ideology on all people
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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:55:18 PM
#230:


hockeybub89 posted...
So you don't know any normie conservatives? Because every mainstream politicians and news source that appeals to them can't shut the fuck up about trans people and other queer issues. They're always complaining about pronouns even if they aren't aware of Starfield specifically.
nah i live in a pretty liberal area (LA)
also im a minority

most normies I grew up with didn't even have internet lol

ppl thought I was weird using the internet too

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hockeybub89
09/17/23 8:57:35 PM
#231:


Corbenik posted...
nah i live in a pretty liberal area (LA)
also im a minority

most normies I grew up with didn't even have internet lol

ppl thought I was weird using the internet too
Yeah, I don't think you have the right to speak about normies if you live somewhere that's like "What's an Internet?"

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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:58:00 PM
#232:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

How?
I don't see how its defending them
they don't have the right to be defending

what right do they have to even defend?

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Corbenik
09/17/23 8:59:24 PM
#233:


hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah, I don't think you have the right to speak about normies if you live somewhere that's like "What's an Internet?"
No this was years ago lol
like when i grew up during middle school

I'm grown now
I was talking about when i was growing up

I think i even said that

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hockeybub89
09/17/23 9:07:06 PM
#234:


GranAures posted...
And they can share it in privacy.

They don't need it publicly hosted to do so.
But we live in a new world where if someone shits on your shoes and you respond "Do that in a toilet. Get out of my sight. I never want to see you again", they'll go "Oh so now I need your permission to perform bodily functions? HELP! HELP! They're taking away my freedoms!"

Freedom of speech has been twisted to "I can do whatever I want wherever I want and you have to take it! You better not avert your eyes or ears or tell me to leave you alone! I have rights!"

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Rotterdammerung
09/17/23 9:23:24 PM
#235:


potdnewb posted...
is there really a movement to force them/they ideology on all people
Its not an ideology.

Using someones preferred pronouns is just basic human decency. Heaven forfend this gets included in videogames.

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DarthAragorn
09/17/23 9:37:30 PM
#236:


You'd have to be a real piece of shit or a complete loser troll to actually have a problem with this mod being taken down

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mybbqrules
09/17/23 11:26:00 PM
#238:


ExistentialFear posted...
The mod would not have got any attention if people didn't blow it up on reddit and twitter. Just like the white Wyll mod for Baldur's Gate 3.

I wish people would realize that. That Hogwarts game wouldn't have been so successful if it wasn't for all the people buying it just because of the outrage.

But now you get people who see this and go "I don't understand what the problem is" which creates arguments that drive these people even further into a direction we don't want them to go.

Yall are creating your own enemies. People are naturally inclined to side against the loud obnoxious complainers. It doesn't matter if you're in the right or wrong. Humans are just that simple.

The key to winning is to not give them any attention.
Hey everyone, get your cameras! It's another just-over-the-karma-limit alt telling us the best way to deal with bigots is to just ignore them. It's like spotting a unicorn!

Inohira posted...

Lol, here's another one. 2012 account with just over 100 karma.

"But please take me seriously guys! I'm totally posting in good faith!"

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thronedfire2
09/17/23 11:29:41 PM
#239:


hockeybub89 posted...
But we live in a new world where if someone shits on your shoes and you respond "Do that in a toilet. Get out of my sight. I never want to see you again", they'll go "Oh so now I need your permission to perform bodily functions? HELP! HELP! They're taking away my freedoms!"

Freedom of speech has been twisted to "I can do whatever I want wherever I want and you have to take it! You better not avert your eyes or ears or tell me to leave you alone! I have rights!"

its been like that for a long time. Just look at all the people that complain about being moderated by independent companies. They have no idea what the 1st amendment actually means


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ExistentialFear
09/17/23 11:34:38 PM
#240:


mybbqrules posted...
Hey everyone, get your cameras! It's another just-over-the-karma-limit alt telling us the best way to deal with bigots is to just ignore them. It's like spotting a unicorn!
Nice contribution to the topic, really showing your intelligence.

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hockeybub89
09/17/23 11:59:29 PM
#241:


potdnewb posted...
is there really a movement to force them/they ideology on all people
Apparently the mod does just that! They hate singular they, but removed he/him and she/her pronouns because knowing that someone is out there choosing to make trans Starfield player-characters really upsets them!

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Cemith
09/18/23 12:04:36 AM
#242:


ExistentialFear posted...
Nice contribution to the topic, really showing your intelligence.

"just ignore bigots" is terrible fucking advice and clearly doesn't fucking work. Use basic media literacy.

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_Stuff_
09/18/23 12:40:43 AM
#243:


Inohira posted...
Your reading comprehension is poor. I explictly said:

"It just gets some of the people who otherwise didn't care either way (about pronouns being in the game, or about there being a mod to remove them) annoyed about the obvious ideological favoritism at play."
No, my reading comprehension is fine. People who don't care either way that you can choose pronouns are not going to care that you can choose pronouns. Someone who genuinely doesn't mind it is not going to be bothered by one extra selection screen. It's only people like yourself who dislike it that care.

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Kradek
09/18/23 1:05:59 AM
#244:


Good. I got the game recently, created a character, and I didn't even see the portion that is offending these crybabies lol. To think they'd actually make a mod just to demonstrate how big a bigot they are.

Fucking disgusting. Just grow the fuck up.

Just read through the whole thread. Lol at the usual suspects coming in to cry over the "feelings of the bigots not being considered" and variations of "I'm only a Nazi because you kept calling me a Nazi". Nah, if you didn't find the bigoted ideology at the very least tolerable then you wouldn't "be pushed" towards it. But we all know the game you're playing, y'all bigots ain't slick.

pegusus123456 posted...
I saw a reddit comment - so I don't know if this is true - say that this mod actually just removed the he/him/she/her options. So it made your character nonbinary and made everyone use they pronouns.

Which is a hilarious self-own if that's the case.

Maybe the person who made the mod is actually the wokest bloke to have ever awoken.

We could make a series for them, The Social Justice Warrior Tales of Woke Wally

DarthAragorn posted...
A reinforcement that this has been the best course of action has been some of the hatred, vitriol and threats of violence coming from a very, very small minority of the community, Nexus Mods said. Frankly, we are not sad to see them go.

Lol fuck off bigots

One of the best company responses I've ever read. That's what having integrity and not worrying about losing the business of bigots looks like.

potdnewb posted...
is there really a movement to force them/they ideology on all people

Only if you gobble up hatefully bigoted conspiracies from right-wingers with as much fervor as pigs gobble shit.

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ironman2009
09/18/23 1:26:27 AM
#245:


They need a decapitation mod asap

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Thompson
09/18/23 1:57:12 AM
#246:


So big hoopla is that, in a single-player with no online component of any kind facilitating interaction with other players, the player can, regardless of the character's sex, freely choose whether they're addressed by the game and its NPCs as a him, her, or they... and someone of very strong character and without any insecuriites or personal issues whatsoever took such umbrage with this relatively inconsequential pronoun option that they were compelled to create a mod to remove the option?
I can't think of anything mroe pathetic and pointless. Maybe a mod that removes the color pink from the color palette, or a mod that disables the sex and race options so that the only character they can create is a white male?
Anyhow, the point is, if they don't like to create and play as a character who is addressed as a her despite being of the male sex, then don't choose the female pronoun option for your male character.

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ExistentialFear
09/18/23 2:01:34 AM
#247:


I'm surprised no one is entertaining the idea that the mod was made just to start shit. Probably some dude that thinks it's funny to get people worked up about it.

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KitKats
09/18/23 2:04:17 AM
#248:


The ignorance of conservatives rears its ugly head yet again.

Theres no such thing as gender ideology. A little education goes a long way, and meet some real people outside of your echo chamber of bigotry.

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hockeybub89
09/18/23 2:04:52 AM
#249:


ExistentialFear posted...
I'm surprised no one is entertaining the idea that the mod was made just to start shit. Probably some dude that thinks it's funny to get people worked up about it.
You're also surprised that people don't agree that getting offended by bigotry turns more people into bigots. I think you're surprised by a lot.

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ExistentialFear
09/18/23 2:05:51 AM
#250:


hockeybub89 posted...
You're also surprised that people don't agree that getting offended by bigotry turns more people into bigots. I think you're surprised by a lot.
wtf are you talking about

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