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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:27:53 AM #1: |
non-religious contexts.
Teach how and why they've impacted the world culturally and religiously, and get them in the libraries for any curious kids that want to read them. I was given a course in 10th grade on The Bible as literature and it was one of the best courses I had in high school english because it did a LOT to show the influences of both specific stories and general story archetypes. It shouldn't be taboo, so long as no text is getting particularly preferential treatment and the religious beliefs aren't what's being taught. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/15/23 9:29:58 AM #2: |
agreed. There's nothing wrong with teaching religion in schools. It's a huge eye opener to culture and world history.
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majin_nemesis 09/15/23 9:30:48 AM #3: |
as soon was they start teaching science and evolution in church while also teaching how wrong religion is about the world ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:32:03 AM #4: |
majin_nemesis posted...
as soon was they start teaching science and evolution in churchImagine thinking this is a clever response --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoMeLx22x 09/15/23 9:32:06 AM #5: |
As long as we teach how they're completely made up stories that have no basis in reality than sure whatever
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:33:57 AM #6: |
NoMeLx22x posted...
As long as we teach how they're completely made up stories that have no basis in reality than sure whatever RuneterranSnap posted... Imagine thinking this is a clever response --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/15/23 9:34:11 AM #7: |
they aren't made up stories.
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majin_nemesis 09/15/23 9:34:47 AM #8: |
RuneterranSnap posted... Imagine thinking this is a clever responsehow is it not? it's stops religion from having any sort of influence like it should be Beveren_Rabbit posted... they aren't made up stories.yes they are, the church made it all up ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:35:46 AM #9: |
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
they aren't made up stories.They are. But that doesn't mean they don't have historical and cultural importance. I mean hell, I can only think of one story I read in high school english that actually happened. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 09/15/23 9:35:52 AM #10: |
Hard pass.
Religious text will most definitely not be taught in non religious context. Why? Because that would also include teaching the many religions have ushered autrocities around the world in the name of said religion as well. Autrocities that many don't want to talk about. Most just want to talk about the good. This idea would just be a foot in the door to indoctrinate children into a preferred religion. If you are talking about the religion simply existing in a particular culture, schools definitely already teach that. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:36:38 AM #11: |
majin_nemesis posted...
how is it not? it's stops religion from having any sort of influence like it should beBecause nobody is talking about teaching the actual beliefs they're talking about teaching how the stories had a significant impact on history and culture. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:37:36 AM #12: |
NatsuSama posted...
Religious text will most definitely not be taught in non religious context.It already happens, should happen, and will continue to happen. Just needs to be more commonplace. NatsuSama posted... This idea would just be a foot in the door to indoctrinate children into a preferred religion.Bahahaha --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NoMeLx22x 09/15/23 9:38:38 AM #13: |
Oh okay this guy is just gonna be dismissive of any legitimate criticism towards his dumbass take
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:39:21 AM #14: |
NoMeLx22x posted...
Oh okay this guy is just gonna be dismissive of any legitimate criticism towards his dumbass takeNothing dumbass about it and there hasn't been any legitimate criticism of it. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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googs19 09/15/23 9:40:53 AM #15: |
I'm fine with it being taught in school just like other ancient and outdated mythology. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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apolloooo 09/15/23 9:40:57 AM #16: |
Agree. It's much better than either teaching them as dogma or not teaching them at all. Teach them with objective lens and treat it as pieces of histories and philosophies instead of in dogmatic way
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DnDer 09/15/23 9:41:16 AM #17: |
Comparative/World Religions was one of the best college electives I ever took.
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/15/23 9:41:21 AM #18: |
there's a lot to learn about religion and why there's so many variations of a religion.
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majin_nemesis 09/15/23 9:41:33 AM #19: |
RuneterranSnap posted... Because nobody is talking about teaching the actual beliefs they're talking about teaching how the stories had a significant impact on history and culture.that's teaching the actual beliefs you just want a way to indocrinated more kids to the church, i wonder what your reaction if they did want you are saying but instead of the bible it was passages from the coran or from hindu texts, you would probably be religious texts but no not this way how about just drop religion from the world all together and teach science instead ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:42:37 AM #20: |
googs19 posted...
I'm fine with it being taught in school just like other ancient and outdated mythology.And this is basically what I'm suggesting. Teach the influence these stories have had on our history and our culture. apolloooo posted... Agree. It's much better than either teaching them as dogma or not teaching them at all. Teach them with objective lens and treat it as pieces of histories and philosophies instead of in dogmatic wayYup. Also a good way to educate on what's actually in the books, something a lot of people need to learn on both sides. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:42:51 AM #21: |
majin_nemesis posted...
that's teaching the actual beliefsNo, it isn't. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:44:12 AM #22: |
majin_nemesis posted...
you just want a way to indocrinated more kids to the church, i wonder what your reaction if they did want you are saying but instead of the bible it was passages from the coran or from hindu texts, you would probably be religious texts but no not this wayI would love that and would've loved to have that in my classes. I'm not Christian, or religious at all. majin_nemesis posted... how about just drop religion from the world all together and teach science insteadBecause even if everyone right now stopped being religious the texts would still have a ton of significance. Your ignorance doesn't change that fact. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AloneIBreak 09/15/23 9:44:25 AM #23: |
Religion should be taught insofar as it helps to understand the history of human thought and how it has shaped the world, citing specific texts as necessary. That religious texts are not history books should be emphasized.
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majin_nemesis 09/15/23 9:45:18 AM #24: |
RuneterranSnap posted... majin_nemesis posted...you say that but then you say this RuneterranSnap posted... Yup. Also a good way to educate on what's actually in the books, something a lot of people need to learn on both sides. seems like you don't believe what you are saying ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 09/15/23 9:45:58 AM #25: |
RuneterranSnap posted...
It already happens, should happen, and will continue to happen. Just needs to be more commonplace.You are a prime reason why I'm a hard pass. This topic is nothing more than a not so thinly veiled hot take on a way to indoctrinate children to be more religious. Reminds me of the similar efforts with the GOP and US history concerning non white people, and teaching "both sides." --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:47:28 AM #26: |
majin_nemesis posted...
you say that but then you say thisNo, just sounds like you lack reading comprehension. There's a ton of Christians that don't know what's actually in the bible or Quran. Ditto non religious people. Teaching what's in them is not the same as teaching the beliefs. AloneIBreak posted... Religion should be taught insofar as it helps to understand the history of human thought and how it has shaped the world, citing specific texts as necessary. That religious texts are not history books should be emphasized.Yup. There's a lot of context they give to why the world is the way it is. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:48:39 AM #27: |
NatsuSama posted...
You are a prime reason why I'm a hard pass.lol nothing about this is indoctrination, you just have a hardon for brainlessly hating religion - with some good reason, admittedly - to the point you want to ignore the completely valid historical context to them. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 09/15/23 9:50:32 AM #28: |
RuneterranSnap posted...
lol nothing about this is indoctrination, you just have a hardon for brainlessly hating religion - with some good reason, admittedly - to the point you want to ignore the completely valid historical context to them.Anything to indoctrinate children. "I just want to teach children both sides" --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/15/23 9:50:43 AM #29: |
it's like people aren't even reading the TC. She's not saying that schools should start preaching religion. She's saying that grade school students should be able to learn about religion.
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/23 9:50:52 AM #30: |
RuneterranSnap posted...
Because nobody is talking about teaching the actual beliefs they're talking about teaching how the stories had a significant impact on history and culture. The Bible stories are just copy pasted from older stories so why not just teach those instead. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:53:05 AM #31: |
NatsuSama posted...
Anything to indoctrinate children.It's ok that you're wrong. Beveren_Rabbit posted... it's like people aren't even reading the TC. She's not saying that schools should start preaching religion. She's saying that grade school students should be able to learn about religion.She? But otherwise yeah. Learn the basics of all major religious texts, and the impacts they had. Tyranthraxus posted... The Bible stories are just copy pasted from older stories so why not just teach those instead.Because The bible and other texts are where this inspiration stems from, even if they were based on other stories. That said, if the stories were based on pre-existing ones, that should absolutely be taught as well. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 09/15/23 9:53:21 AM #32: |
Tyranthraxus posted... The Bible stories are just copy pasted from older stories so why not just teach those instead.Not only that, notice how the TC squared in on the Bible. So we can already safely guess which religion would get preferential treatment in his wet dream. Instead of teaching things to actually further the future like math and science, let's focus on religious text that tells fictional stories that will be cherry picked in schools about how wonderful religion is, and more likely, Christianity ... Copied to Clipboard!
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vycebrand2 09/15/23 9:54:56 AM #33: |
RuneterranSnap posted...
Imagine thinking this is a clever responseI like to point out the total lack logic in the Noah story. So without a landbridge how did the most of the animals get to the americas? If just Noah and his family survived well starting a new pop............ lets not go there. --- I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me. I lived a few weeks while she loved me- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:55:36 AM #34: |
asdf8562 posted...
Not only that, notice how the TC squared in on the Bible. So we can already safely guess which religion would get preferential treatment in his wet dream.I've stated repeately how I'm open to all texts. I'm also not christian or religious at all. I've talked mostly about the Bible because that was the one I had experience with, and the one I'm most familiar with, and it's the one that tends to get brought up constantly. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/15/23 9:56:13 AM #35: |
it's interested how this king created their own religion because he wanted divorce to be legal.
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:56:39 AM #36: |
vycebrand2 posted...
I like to point out the total lack logic in the Noah story. So without a landbridge how did the most of the animals get to the americas? If just Noah and his family survived well starting a new pop............ lets not go there.There's a lack of logic in a ton of the stories but that doesn't really have relevance to what's being discussed here. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:57:22 AM #37: |
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
it's interested how this king created their own religion because he wanted divorce to be legal.I mean lets be fair, that's not the worst reason we've seen for a religion/cult to be created --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 09/15/23 9:57:35 AM #38: |
vycebrand2 posted...
I like to point out the total lack logic in the Noah story. So without a landbridge how did the most of the animals get to the americas? If just Noah and his family survived well starting a new pop............ lets not go there.Noah's ark story is copy pasted from Epic of Gilgamesh with Ut-napishtim = Noah. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AloneIBreak 09/15/23 9:58:27 AM #39: |
Lol this should be a simple, non-controversial take and everyone is in here making every possible effort to misunderstand what TC is suggesting. Y'all must think the Bible is incredibly persuasive if you're afraid of teaching about it in a secular, historical context.
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 9:59:47 AM #40: |
AloneIBreak posted...
Lol this should be a simple, non-controversial take and everyone is in here making every possible effort to misunderstand what TC is suggesting. Y'all must think the Bible is incredibly persuasive if you're afraid of teaching about it in a secular, historical context.Like I said, it's just mindless hate for the religion. There's some good reason for it but they take it way farther than they should. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pnut027 09/15/23 10:00:10 AM #41: |
NatsuSama posted...
Hard pass. NatsuSama posted... Hard pass.The inquisition is taught pretty well. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beveren_Rabbit 09/15/23 10:01:46 AM #42: |
"hur dur TC is a troll because he won't respond to my misunderstanding!"
She isn't advocating for converting children to a religion. She simply just wants students to have the opportunity to learn about different religions and *gets punched in the crotch by Chiaki Nanami* Chiaki Nanami: He said he isn't a she so stop calling him a she --- *flops* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pnut027 09/15/23 10:03:08 AM #43: |
My high school taught a World Religions class. It was mostly about the evolution of religion as a way to understand the world, establish baseline morality and to exert authority.
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RuneterranSnap 09/15/23 10:05:14 AM #44: |
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
SheI'm still curious where this is from >.>; pnut027 posted... My high school taught a World Religions class. It was mostly about the evolution of religion as a way to understand the world, establish baseline morality and to exert authority.That's also a great class, I don't think I had anything like that. Frankly I'm surprised a school in the middle of liberal Oregon approved a Bible as literature class but I'm glad they did. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pnut027 09/15/23 10:05:27 AM #45: |
Beveren_Rabbit posted...
there's a lot to learn about religion and why there's so many variations of a religion.Well it boils down to I dont want to worship that way anymore so Im starting my own cult. Especially when there were power struggles. --- If you're not getting promoted, it's not because you're not good at your job. It's because you're good at a ONLY your job. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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asdf8562 09/15/23 10:08:00 AM #46: |
AloneIBreak posted... Lol this should be a simple, non-controversial take and everyone is in here making every possible effort to misunderstand what TC is suggesting. Y'all must think the Bible is incredibly persuasive if you're afraid of teaching about it in a secular, historical context.It's a controversial take because the proposition even if we try to assume the TC has innocent motives, isn't possible to be secular for "historical context." For example, the focus on the Bible. Whether it's by conscious or sub conscious efforts, a focus on the importance of the Bible over the many other religions was made. Or the fact you may say it should be taught secularly and let's go ahead and pretend your genuine, the problem is what would actually happen is specific religions will get taught to be mostly good while glossing over the bad. All while teaching specific religions like Islam to be mostly bad while glossing over any good. That's not even getting into schools won't cover many religions. No one is misunderstanding the TC. We just don't agree at all that religious text needs to be taught in school as everyone here who is disagreeing with the TC sees the clear problems that would inevitably happen. No matter what, preferential and skewed treatment would happen even if the institution claims they aren't. Throw that shit in college. College it can be taught as an option, but definitely shouldn't be mandatory to grade school. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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majin_nemesis 09/15/23 10:13:00 AM #48: |
RuneterranSnap posted... No, just sounds like you lack reading comprehension. There's a ton of Christians that don't know what's actually in the bible or Quran. Ditto non religious people. Teaching what's in them is not the same as teaching the beliefs.yes it is because what's in them are the actual beliefs, you can't separate both of them since they are the same thing asdf8562 posted... Not only that, notice how the TC squared in on the Bible. So we can already safely guess which religion would get preferential treatment in his wet dream.yep i wonder if they going to teach how much people were murdered, raped and enslaved or got their land stolen or forcefully converted in the name of this religion and how much religion as set humanity back ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FuriousFox 09/15/23 10:13:47 AM #49: |
We had a unit in 10th grade English where we read excerpts from various religions holy books. They were taught purely as literature, same as any other stories we read in class. I can see why some people would be wary, since I imagine some teachers would take the opportunity to inject their own religious views into the lesson, but it would also be hard to argue for their exclusion given how culturally relevant these stories are.
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Aysander 09/15/23 10:15:40 AM #50: |
I am confused, maybe someone can help me out here.
In middle school and high school, you would at some point have had a World History, Ancient History, and US (Or insert your country here) History course, correct? All of those...would have covered exactly this to some extent. In World History alone, we learned about Charlemagne and how religion was intertwined with the crown, how the Crusades started and what they aimed to accomplish, how Religion helped shaped the monarchies of England and France, and what that meant for the New World and the US as well in the future. And that's without considering that Ancient History tended to cover China, Rome, Greece, and even some older situations and how Religion impacted their cultures... --- Ernie. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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