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SHRlKE
09/13/23 1:34:07 PM
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Sad news. There has been a stray cat near ours for a few months. We'd been feeding him for a long time and recently he started eating less and less. We were finally about to catch him last night with a home made trap.

He was angry as **** and had some wounds. We kept him in the shed over night and took him to the vets where they sedated him and checked him over. A few bad wounds they were able to treat and they neutered him as well but he had cat aids. Vets tried to find a home for him that would take cats with cat aids but they were all full. Despite our best intentions they had to put him down. Sad story. We'd been keeping an eye on him for a while so sad to see it turn out this way. If we didn't have other cats we'd have taken him in but wasn't to be.

Just needed to vent ;_;

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ECW_Originals12
09/13/23 1:36:16 PM
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Rip kitty:(
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
09/13/23 1:37:56 PM
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Its very sad when this crap situation does not improve via a loving home. RIP Cat

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Itachi157
09/13/23 2:10:03 PM
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It is indeed sad, however you did show him some kindness toward the end of his life. For a few months at least he didnt have to worry about food. I would take some solace in that.
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Questionmarktarius
09/13/23 2:15:24 PM
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Wouldn't it have saved some time to leave the balls on, if it's getting euthanized anyway?
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Jagr_68
09/13/23 2:15:50 PM
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No :'(

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YellowSUV
09/13/23 2:17:22 PM
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RIP

Feline AIDS is horrible, it's the number one killer of domestic cats.

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dave_is_slick
09/13/23 2:45:33 PM
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YellowSUV posted...
RIP

Feline AIDS is horrible, it's the number one killer of domestic cats.
Lost two cats to it, both very young. One was only 1 1/2 and the other wasn't even a year.

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Zikten
09/15/23 3:03:39 AM
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They couldn't put him a shelter in his own area? I don't see why he had to die
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SHRlKE
09/15/23 4:44:19 AM
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Zikten posted...
They couldn't put him a shelter in his own area? I don't see why he had to die


SHRlKE posted...
Vets tried to find a home for him that would take cats with cat aids but they were all full.



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Zikten
09/16/23 2:25:53 AM
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Yes but surely somewhere he could live. The earth is big they could have found a solution. They just didn't try hard enough
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SHRlKE
09/16/23 9:47:53 AM
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Zikten posted...
Yes but surely somewhere he could live. The earth is big they could have found a solution. They just didn't try hard enough

You are correct. I wish this ended differently. Like I said if we didn't have cats we'd have taken him despite the aids and if he didn't have aids we'd have taken him and tried to get him to co-exist with our existing good bois.

I do think a home could have been found unfortunately there aren't the processes nor resources in place to facilitate this. There are thousands of stray non aids cats. I understand why these are given a priority and why housing aids cats with non aids cats isn't something they could do in this instance.

Please consider donating to this charity who were the ones who funded the initial treatment and neutering. Me and my wife already donate to them. We already have two beautiful rescue cats from them and they do a great job with the limited resources they have but ultimately there are more cats that need homes than they and the myriad of other cat charities can handle.

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AloneIBreak
09/16/23 9:54:38 AM
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That's a shame. Beautiful cat. RIP kitty

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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 9:58:34 AM
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If you hadn't selfishness trapped the cat and had it put down, the cat would have still been alive. But you decided to give it the go ahead to have it put down, instead of putting it back to its environment and possibly looking for more solutions or potential shelters.

When the vet gave the news, you could have refused it put down and look for alternatives and set up a plan on what to do.you contributed to the loss of a precious animal by having it put down prematurely

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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:05:57 AM
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Zikten posted...
They couldn't put him a shelter in his own area? I don't see why he had to die
He literally didn't have to die at all. And a lot of the blame rests on the OP

-Says he has his own cats and he can't take the "stray" but then PROCEEDS to constantly feed the stray. thus having the stray cat have a dependence on him

-Assumes he has responsibility over the stray, so he captures it and takes it to the vet

-When the Vet gives him the news, and he realizes that no current places would take the cat, he gives the go ahead to have it put down.

For the last point, he could have taken the cat back and put it back to his environment. Or he could have done indepth research and plan, in order to have the cat put in some "Shelter". He could have looked for people who would have taken the cat.


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deathpainter
09/16/23 10:08:19 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
For the last point, he could have taken the cat back and put it back to his environment. Or he could have done indepth research and plan, in order to have the cat put in some "Shelter"
Putting an animal with a deadly contagious disease back out where it can spread it to other cats is a really bad idea.

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SHRlKE
09/16/23 10:10:00 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
instead of putting it back to its environment

The vet wouldn't release the cat back to us without a plan and we couldn't house him and risk him infecting our cats. He also had injuries as mentioned in the OP that would have needed hands on care to recover from. Several abscesses on his body to be precise. Releasing him into the wild would have been a death sentence. Not just to him but potentially other cats he came into contact with.

The charity wouldn't sign off on keeping the cat at the vet in perpetuity nor is a vet really the appropriate place to provide that sort of service.

If you care that strongly and think more should be done to care for these sorts of cases please consider donating to the charity I mentioned above.

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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:14:28 AM
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deathpainter posted...
Putting an animal with a deadly contagious disease back out where it can spread it to other cats is a really bad idea.
A Stray Cat shouldn't be near OP's cats in the first place and we have no idea how much cats(if at all) frequent the area

SHRlKE posted...
The vet wouldn't release the cat back to us without a plan and we couldn't house him and risk him infecting our cats. He also had injuries as mentioned in the OP that would have needed hands on care to recover from. Several abscesses on his body to be precise. Releasing him into the wild would have been a death sentence. The charity wouldn't sign off on keeping the cat at the vet in perpetuity nor is a vet really the appropriate place to provide that sort of service.

If you think more should be done to care for these sorts of cases please consider donating to the charity I mentioned above.
These basically sound like excuses. Why didnt you call the Vet place and ask if there was a possibility that they wouldn't release the cat to you guys if they found something bad? Why didn't you ask what the proper protocols are when it comes to stray cats and what they are/aren't allowed to do? The Cat lived in the wild in the first place.

A Proper plan could have been set to where the cat could have found a home.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:15:53 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
If you hadn't selfishness trapped the cat and had it put down, the cat would have still been alive. But you decided to give it the go ahead to have it put down, instead of putting it back to its environment and possibly looking for more solutions or potential shelters.
Yes you're right it's far less selfish to let the cat return to the neighborhood where it could give every other cat in the area Feline AIDS, which for the record is a very horrible way for a cat to die, far worse than being peacefully euthanized.

If you actually read the post and try to apply a bit of comprehension, the OP didn't bring the cat there to be put down, it was because they were concerned that it was eating less and acting lethargic. They were acting out of genuine care for the cat.

Stop trying to be edgy and start trying to be smart.
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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:18:28 AM
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TMOG posted...
Yes you're right it's far less selfish to let the cat return to the neighborhood where it could give every other cat in the area Feline AIDS, which for the record is a very horrible way for a cat to die, far worse than being peacefully euthanized.

If you actually read the post and try to apply a bit of comprehension, the OP didn't bring the cat there to be put down, it was because they were concerned that it was eating less and acting lethargic. They were acting out of genuine care for the cat.

Stop trying to be edgy and start trying to be smart.
No one knows the frequencies of cats in the area, so this isn't a talking point unless you can accurately inform how much cats are in the area. . And quite frankly, most people shouldn't be having their cats outside their home without proper supervision. Especially because of potential diseases, predators, cars, it going on other peoples yards, etc.

It was absolutely selfish to constantly feed a cat that you don't own(or have no plan to own) and then take it to the vet without doing proper research and thinking of alternatives to put it to a good home.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:18:39 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
Why didnt you call the Vet place and ask if there was a possibility that they wouldn't release the cat to you guys if they found something bad?
So your brilliant, kind idea would be to just let the cat continue to starve itself and suffer if it was sick, potentially spreading its illness to other cats in the neighborhood, rather than find it veterinary care that would have been able to treat it if possible?

Especially if they "found something bad" that would have resulted in a much worse, more painful death for the cat? You wouldn't want the vet to make it any easier or more peaceful and just let the cat suffer in the wild?

You truly are a cat lover
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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:20:48 AM
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TMOG posted...
So your brilliant, kind idea would be to just let the cat continue to starve itself and suffer if it was sick, potentially spreading its illness to other cats in the neighborhood, rather than find it veterinary care that would have been able to treat it if possible?

Especially if they "found something bad" that would have resulted in a much worse, more painful death for the cat? You wouldn't want the vet to make it any easier or more peaceful and just let the cat suffer in the wild?

You truly are a cat lover
If there was no possibility to save the cat, the idea of a Cat Shelter for cats with Cat aids wouldn't have been entertained in the first place, and they would have put the cat down immediately if there wasn't even the chance of an alternative.

In the current story
-OP constantly fed a stray cat that grew a dependence and bond with him
-OP didn't do any research or call vets and ask what their policies were when it comes to Strays
-OP didn't even fight or try to fight to get the Cat to a home. He led the responsibility on the Vet place. Guess what? Most vet places aren't going to put priority on random strays over home owned animal. This is why research is paramount if you care about animals
-OP absolutely could have found someone or some organization that would take the cat.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:29:24 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
If there was no possibility to save the cat, the idea of a Cat Shelter for cats with Cat aids wouldn't have been entertained in the first place, and they would have put the cat down immediately if there wasn't even the chance of an alternative.
As outlined in the single-paragraph post, which you clearly didn't read beyond what it took to spark outrage:

  • OP took the cat to the vet because it wasn't eating anymore and had visible injuries.
  • It was discovered at the vet that the cat has Feline AIDS; OP wasn't aware of this beforehand.
  • The vet made the very sensible call that releasing the cat back into the neighborhood would be a risk to the other cats in the area.
  • All the homes (the word "shelter" was never used by the OP) that were equipped to take on a cat with Feline AIDS were full, and OP was unable to take the cat due to their own cats.
At this point, what do you propose happens to the cat? Do they say "fuck 'em all" and release it back into the wild to give all the other cats in the area Feline AIDS as well? Do they keep it at the vet in perpetuity, where its quality of life would be incredibly diminished because a vet isn't really equipped to keep animals for long-term stays? Or do they throw the cat in cryogenic stasis until a home has an opening?

Or would it have been far kinder in your eyes to let a sick, injured cat continue to suffer outside until it died anyway?
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SHRlKE
09/16/23 10:30:25 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
A Stray Cat shouldn't be near OP's cats in the first place and we have no idea how much cats(if at all) frequent the area

These basically sound like excuses. Why didnt you call the Vet place and ask if there was a possibility that they wouldn't release the cat to you guys if they found something bad? Why didn't you ask what the proper protocols are when it comes to stray cats and what they are/aren't allowed to do? The Cat lived in the wild in the first place.

A Proper plan could have been set to where the cat could have found a home.

It's sad what happened to the cat but I'm happy I did the right thing despite the obvious bad outcome.

I don't think we're going to reach any sort if agreement here so I will end it here and simply thank you for your contribution to the topic. I will take it on board.

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YugiNoob
09/16/23 10:30:38 AM
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Just release the infectious cat back into the wild to starve and die a slow painful death.

Seriously dude, no one likes when an animal has to be euthanized, but its quite obvious that that was the humane response in this situation. TC took the cat to the vet because it was sick and injured. To knowingly let it live out the rest of its days in pain and agony would just be cruel.

You did the right thing TC, and its sad that you had to experience this pain of loss.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:31:28 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
-OP didn't even fight or try to fight to get the Cat to a home. He led the responsibility on the Vet place. Guess what? Most vet places aren't going to put priority on random strays over home owned animal. This is why research is paramount if you care about animals
-OP absolutely could have found someone or some organization that would take the cat.
The vet wouldn't (and couldn't) release the cat back to the OP due to its illness and OP's inability to safely house the cat with their other cats. How exactly do you propose they "fight the vet" on this?

Also, if the vet -- who had more and better connections than the OP did -- couldn't find a home for the cat, what the fuck makes you think they could?
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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:37:31 AM
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TMOG posted...
As outlined in the single-paragraph post,
What? No
  1. The OP could have done proper research like actually calling Vet offices and co to know what the policies are when it concerns stray cats. If there is a possibility that they wouldn't give the cat back, if it has some sort of disease that could be contagious(this is a broad spectrum).
  2. No one knows how frequent or infrequent cats are in the area. This makes no sense unless you actually have data to know how many (feral) cats live by him. Or how many people let their cats outside
  3. The cat was originally living in the area in the first place.
  4. Any homes or shelters could have been found for the cat. It was never a matter of if. Mostly a matter of "when". The OP could have found a vet that didn't keep the cat, and the OP could have found someone who could take the cat himself via proper research, being transparent about what the cat has, and more

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:38:43 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
What? No
1. The OP could have done proper research like actually calling Vet offices and co to know what the policies are when it concerns stray cats. If there is a possibility that they wouldn't give the cat back, if it has some sort of disease that could be contagious(this is a broad spectrum).
2. No one knows how frequent or infrequent cats are in the area. This makes no sense unless you actually have data to know how many (feral) cats live by him. Or how many people let their cats outside
3. The cat was originally living in the area in the first place.
4. Any homes or shelters could have been found for the cat. It was never a matter of if. Mostly a matter of "when". The OP could have found a vet that didn't keep the cat, and the OP could have found someone who could take the cat himself via proper research, being transparent about what the cat has, and more
Literally what you're doing here is inventing your own headcanon for the situation rather than actually reading the facts that were outlined.
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SHRlKE
09/16/23 10:40:20 AM
#30:


TMOG posted...
the word "shelter" was never used by the OP

Thank you for noticing this. The charity we use have a number of housing options. A mixture of traditional "shelters" which were all full as well as an army of volunteers who will act as foster homes for cats until their forever home could be found. Unfortunately in this case neither were an opportunity. If the user feels that strongly I do suggest he looks into the charity I linked above and donate if he is able to to help increase the resources of the charity and try and avoid this unfortunate outcome for other cats moving forwards.

For every bad outcome likes ours they take on lots of cats on a weekly basis from different backgrounds and help them find their forever home. They are definitely worth supporting if you are able to.

Our current good bois came from a drug den and were malnourished and abused. We lost our previous cat suddenly not too long before they became available due to an underlying heart condition. I think I even posted about it on here at the time. We were heartbroken but wanted to make sure the next cats were got came from rescue.

The charity helped to get them back on their feet and even paid for surgery on one of them who had three of his front 4 canines broken due to the abuse. We fell in love with them immediately. It's been a long journey but two years on they are finally starting to come out of their shells and I have one of them sitting on the sofa next to me so I can attest first hand to the great work they do.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:40:59 AM
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ChickenAndJuice posted...
The OP could have found a vet that didn't keep the cat,
And then what? Release the cat with Feline AIDS back into the neighborhood to infect the other cats in the area (and, yes, there are other cats in the area, if you see one stray there are at least ten more you don't see -- they're fucking cats, my man) or take the cat with Feline AIDS into their own home to give their own cats the disease as well?

Put down the outrage and don't post again until you've actually put some thought into the situation.
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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:42:21 AM
#32:


TMOG posted...
The vet wouldn't (and couldn't) release the cat back to the OP due to its illness and OP's inability to safely house the cat with their other cats. How exactly do you propose they "fight the vet" on this?

Also, if the vet -- who had more and better connections than the OP did -- couldn't find a home for the cat, what the fuck makes you think they could?
The OP could have called several vets prior to going to one, to ask what the specific policies were when it comes to stray cats and what they typically do in worst case scenarios(if a cat is moderately sick, or extremely sick, or if it has something contagious). Had the OP done this from the start.

The vet not being able to find a home is irrelevant. Because Vets and most establishments put more effort into helping the standard domesticated cat, over a stray one.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:43:05 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
Thank you for noticing this. The charity we use have a number of housing options. A mixture of traditional "shelters" which were all full as well as an army of volunteers who will act as foster homes for cats until their forever home could be found. Unfortunately in this case neither were an opportunity. If the user feels that strongly I do suggest he looks into the charity I linked above and donate if he is able to to help increase the resources of the charity and try and avoid this unfortunate outcome for other cats moving forwards.

For every bad outcome likes ours they take on lots of cats on a weekly basis from different backgrounds and help them find their forever home. They are definitely worth supporting if you are able to.

Our current good bois came from a drug den and were malnourished and abused. We lost our previous cat suddenly not too long before they became available due to an underlying heart condition. I think I even posted about it on here at the time. We were heartbroken but wanted to make sure the next cats were got came from rescue.

The charity helped to get them back on their feet and even paid for surgery on one of them who had three of his front 4 canines broken due to the abuse. We fell in love with them immediately. It's been a long journey but two years on they are finally starting to come out of their shells and I have one of them sitting on the sofa next to me so I can attest first hand to the great work they do.

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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:45:17 AM
#34:


TMOG posted...
And then what? Release the cat with Feline AIDS back into the neighborhood to infect the other cats in the area (and, yes, there are other cats in the area, if you see one stray there are at least ten more you don't see -- they're fucking cats, my man) or take the cat with Feline AIDS into their own home to give their own cats the disease as well?

Put down the outrage and don't post again until you've actually put some thought into the situation.
What? No. Every neighborhood is completely different. A stray cat here or there is not a guarantee that there are several other cats in the area considering that
  1. Not everyone keeps their cat outside
  2. Predators like Coyotes, Racoons, and others exist.
  3. Cats and most animals are always in danger when it comes to Human tech(like cars)



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SHRlKE
09/16/23 10:46:31 AM
#35:


YugiNoob posted...
Just release the infectious cat back into the wild to starve and die a slow painful death.

Seriously dude, no one likes when an animal has to be euthanized, but its quite obvious that that was the humane response in this situation. TC took the cat to the vet because it was sick and injured. To knowingly let it live out the rest of its days in pain and agony would just be cruel.

You did the right thing TC, and its sad that you had to experience this pain of loss.

Thank you. In general most of my interactions with cats, especially rescue cats have been positive and the cats have benefited. I'm sad this happened but he would have died to the wounds anyway had we not bought him in. I'm sure there are things we could have done differently but despite the sad outcome I think he would have suffered more had we done nothing. I'm sure some people will disagree and they have the right to but it's only when you're faced with the situation at hand and YOU have to make a decision do you really have to weigh up the pros and cons. Life isn't black and white and sometimes things don't work out the way we'd like them to but as mentioned previously many cats in this situation go on to live much better and happier lives and to me that's the main reason we did what we did and would do so again if a similar situation ever came up.

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SHRlKE
09/16/23 10:48:01 AM
#36:


ChickenAndJuice posted...
The OP could have called several vets prior to going to one, to ask what the specific policies were when it comes to stray cats and what they typically do in worst case scenarios(if a cat is moderately sick, or extremely sick, or if it has something contagious). Had the OP done this from the start.


The charity decide what vets we take the vet to. We used the one they recommended. Ironically also the one we use for our bois. It's just an unfortunate situation really.

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ChickenAndJuice
09/16/23 10:49:57 AM
#37:


Yet the myths and misconceptions around FIVsuch as the mistaken assumption that it is a death sentencemight actually be more damaging than the disease itself. Thats because these beliefs can make it harder for FIV-positive cats to find homes or even lead to unnecessary euthanasia based on outdated veterinary advice. Here, five veterinarians answer common questionsand bust mythsabout FIV cats.


Cats with FIV often have similar life spans to cats without it: Studies conducted in 2010 and 2022 found that an FIV diagnosis wasnt associated with decreased lifespans. In fact, cats can remain asymptomatic for years or even their entire lives.

Dr. Zarah Hedge, chief medical officer of the San Diego Humane Society, says some people believe that FIV-positive cats should always live separate from other cats. Not true, she says: FIV-positive and -negative cats can live together as long as all cats are spayed or neutered, remain indoors and interact peacefully. Jefferson says that the virus doesnt survive long in an open environment and needs direct contact with a cats blood to infect them.

https://www.humanesociety.org/news/fiv-positive-cats#:~:text=Cats%20with%20FIV%20often%20have,or%20even%20their%20entire%20lives.


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TMOG
09/16/23 10:51:34 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
Thank you. In general most of my interactions with cats, especially rescue cats have been positive and the cats have benefited. I'm sad this happened but he would have died to the wounds anyway had we not bought him in. I'm sure there are things we could have done differently but despite the sad outcome I think he would have suffered more had we done nothing. I'm sure some people will disagree and they have the right to but it's only when you're faced with the situation at hand and YOU have to make a decision do you really have to weigh up the pros and cons. Life isn't black and white and sometimes things don't work out the way we'd like them to but as mentioned previously many cats in this situation go on to live much better and happier lives and to me that's the main reason we did what we did and would do so again if a similar situation ever came up.
Exactly.

A few years back I found a squirrel in my back yard that had fallen out of the tree and broken one of its rear legs, the poor thing couldn't move. I put on a pair of thick work gloves and managed to carefully move it into a cat carrier (getting a pretty nasty bite in the process -- fortunately, squirrels don't carry rabies, but those jaws are deceptively strong!) and called a local wildlife rescue.

They picked the squirrel up the very next morning, and by the end of the day called and said that unfortunately, they had to put the squirrel down. The break to its leg was in multiple places and even if they were able to reset it, the squirrel wouldn't have anywhere near the mobility needed to actually be a squirrel and do things like climb trees or escape predators. And obviously it wouldn't be suited as a house pet since it's, you know, a wild squirrel. They're not suited for being kept indoors for their entire lives.

It was a crappy outcome, as I tend to get attached to all my neighborhood's squirrels (they actually come up and take peanuts right out of my hand, a few even trust me well enough that I can pet them a little), but I absolutely understand the vet's decision and don't disagree with it at all.
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mercurydude
09/16/23 10:52:33 AM
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Even Selina Kyle wouldn't be finger wagging about this the way CAJ is.

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TMOG
09/16/23 10:52:35 AM
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SHRlKE posted...
The charity decide what vets we take the vet to. We used the one they recommended. Ironically also the one we use for our bois. It's just an unfortunate situation really.
I'd recommend just not responding to that poster anymore and letting them scream into the void. It's pretty clear at this point that all they want to do is troll you over the death of a cat that you legitimately tried everything you could do to help.
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AloneIBreak
09/16/23 11:02:03 AM
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Damn I went away for like an hour and this topic turned into a dumpster fire

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Error1355
09/16/23 11:18:21 AM
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ChickenAndJuice, go fuck off and be miserable at the world somewhere else and stop trying to drag the TC through the mud for completely reasonable actions that most people wouldn't have even done to try to care for this stray cat.

Edit: I guess they did just that. Thanks lol.

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SHRlKE
09/16/23 12:23:22 PM
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Error1355 posted...
ChickenAndJuice, go fuck off and be miserable at the world somewhere else and stop trying to drag the TC through the mud for completely reasonable actions that most people wouldn't have even done to try to care for this stray cat.

Edit: I guess they did just that. Thanks lol.

Thank you. I know I have a horrid moderation history but I did genuinely appreciate this post.

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omniryu
09/19/23 4:36:30 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Lost two cats to it, both very young. One was only 1 1/2 and the other wasn't even a year.
That's real?!?!?!

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