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Solar_Crimson 09/12/23 4:30:12 PM #51:	What a disgusting cadhgrab. Holy shit. TheGoldenEel posted... make no mistake, this will be devastating for indie game development and indie gaming. Many beloved games like Hollow Knight, Subnautica, Ori & the Blind Forest, Cities: Skylines, Cuphead, Fall Guys, Genshin Impact, Pillars of Eternity, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Among Us, etc were made in Unity, and starting in 2024 this change makes every install of these games a liability The conspiracist in me wants to say that AAA probably had a hand in this, as they can very easily eat the costs of installs, while the indie games--which are seen to have more heart and soul put into them and lack the issues that AAA games have--will be far more affected by this change. --- Eat the rich Destroy the GOP <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:976021254] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>What a disgusting cadhgrab. Holy shit.TheGoldenEel posted... </cite><quote>make no mistake, this will be devastating for indie game development and indie gaming. Many beloved games like Hollow Knight, Subnautica, Ori & the Blind Forest, Cities: Skylines, Cuphead, Fall Guys, Genshin Impact, Pillars of Eternity, Beat Saber, Monument Valley, Among Us, etc were made in Unity, and starting in 2024 this change makes every install of these games a liability</quote>The conspiracist in me wants to say that AAA probably had a hand in this, as they can very easily eat the costs of installs, while the indie games--which are seen to have more heart and soul put into them and lack the issues that AAA games have--will be far more affected by this change. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 09/12/23 4:35:22 PM #53:	The chart implies this is a monthly fee. 20 cents per install per month is extra-super-bullshit. Unless this is structured like tax brackets, suddenly having a $40k bill every month will definitely fuck over the "one guy in an apartment" studios. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976021345] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>The chart implies this is a monthly fee.20 cents per install per month is extra-super-bullshit.Unless this is structured like tax brackets, suddenly having a $40k bill every month will definitely fuck over the "one guy in an apartment" studios.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 09/12/23 4:40:09 PM #54:	That's about the most egregious self-inflicting business decision I've ever seen since well the PS5 portable thing. Like, is Unity tanking itself to be bought out by someone or intentionally lose their entire customer base to Epic? --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:976021436] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>That's about the most egregious self-inflicting business decision I've ever seen since well the PS5 portable thing.Like, is Unity tanking itself to be bought out by someone or intentionally lose their entire customer base to Epic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/12/23 4:41:30 PM #55:	What happens when a developer tells Unity to fuck off? Does the game stop working, or just refuse to re-install? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976021467] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>What happens when a developer tells Unity to fuck off?Does the game stop working, or just refuse to re-install?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/12/23 4:41:52 PM #56:	Questionmarktarius posted... The chart implies this is a monthly fee. 20 cents per install per month is extra-super-bullshit. Unless this is structured like tax brackets, suddenly having a $40k bill every month will definitely fuck over the "one guy in an apartment" studios. its per new install so this isnt quite accurate. Questionmarktarius posted... What happens when a developer tells Unity to fuck off? Does the game stop working, or just refuse to re-install? youd have to either stop selling the game or port it to a different engine most likely outcome of this is devs start charging more per game to increase their own margin --- Currently Playing: Sea of Stars <cite>Xerun posted [p:976021471] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>The chart implies this is a monthly fee.20 cents per install per month is extra-super-bullshit.Unless this is structured like tax brackets, suddenly having a $40k bill every month will definitely fuck over the "one guy in an apartment" studios.</quote>its per new install so this isnt quite accurate. Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>What happens when a developer tells Unity to fuck off?Does the game stop working, or just refuse to re-install?</quote>youd have to either stop selling the game or port it to a different enginemost likely outcome of this is devs start charging more per game to increase their own margin </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/12/23 4:47:56 PM #57:	Xerun posted... its per new install so this isnt quite accurate. I guess it does only matter "beyond" the threshold. Still, the chart states "standard monthly rate". https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates Nobody is going to willingly pay 20 cents for every install that's happened past 200K, every month, indefinitely. All this does is change the licensing to "one install per purchase" - possibly even a "limited edition" of 200000 installs ever. youd have to either stop selling the game or port it to a different engine What happens with "hey I remember that game, may even have the installer" five years from now, for a game that's sloppily moved to some terrible OpenGL fork in the meantime? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976021620] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>its per new install so this isnt quite accurate.</quote>I guess it does only matter "beyond" the threshold.Still, the chart states "standard monthly rate".https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricing-and-packaging-updatesNobody is going to willingly pay 20 cents for every install that's happened past 200K, every month, indefinitely.All this does is change the licensing to "one install per purchase" - possibly even a "limited edition" of 200000 installs ever.<quote>youd have to either stop selling the game or port it to a different engine</quote>What happens with "hey I remember that game, may even have the installer" five years from now, for a game that's sloppily moved to some terrible OpenGL fork in the meantime?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/12/23 4:48:59 PM #58:	This sounds like something that would cause a lot of people to delist their games --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:976021650] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>This sounds like something that would cause a lot of people to delist their games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
punkfanalways 09/12/23 4:50:13 PM #59:	How would unity even know who installs the game. <cite>punkfanalways posted [p:976021686] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>How would unity even know who installs the game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/12/23 4:51:21 PM #60:	Questionmarktarius posted... I guess it does only matter "beyond" the threshold. Still, the chart states "standard monthly rate". https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates Nobody is going to willingly pay 20 cents for every install that's happened past 200K, every month, indefinitely. All this does is change the licensing to "one install per purchase" - possibly even a "limited edition" of 200000 installs ever. it has been clarified that its charged at a monthly rate but you only pay per new install so if you have 200k total installs in January and that increase to 220k in February. February youll pay 20c for every 20k install then if in March the game increases to 250k total installs youll pay the fee for the 30k installs in March but not the 50k above 200k threshold. but yes its dumb. Very dumb because it doesnt account for Re-installs, or something like Gamepass Questionmarktarius posted... What happens with "hey I remember that game, may even have the installer" five years from now, for a game that's sloppily moved to some terrible OpenGL fork in the meantime? if its still in Unity and you install it then your game will have had to make $200k revenue and 200k installs in the last 12 months. So 5 years in the future if youre still making that money you should be good. punkfanalways posted... How would unity even know who installs the game. as part of the engine they provide I believe it runs Unity Runtime when the game is launched --- Currently Playing: Sea of Stars <cite>Xerun posted [p:976021707] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>I guess it does only matter "beyond" the threshold.Still, the chart states "standard monthly rate".https://blog.unity.com/news/plan-pricing-and-packaging-updatesNobody is going to willingly pay 20 cents for every install that's happened past 200K, every month, indefinitely.All this does is change the licensing to "one install per purchase" - possibly even a "limited edition" of 200000 installs ever.</quote>it has been clarified that its charged at a monthly rate but you only pay per new install so if you have 200k total installs in January and that increase to 220k in February. February youll pay 20c for every 20k install then if in March the game increases to 250k total installs youll pay the fee for the 30k installs in March but not the 50k above 200k threshold. but yes its dumb. Very dumb because it doesnt account for Re-installs, or something like Gamepass Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>What happens with "hey I remember that game, may even have the installer" five years from now, for a game that's sloppily moved to some terrible OpenGL fork in the meantime?</quote>if its still in Unity and you install it then your game will have had to make $200k revenue and 200k installs in the last 12 months. So 5 years in the future if youre still making that money you should be good. punkfanalways posted... </cite><quote>How would unity even know who installs the game.</quote>as part of the engine they provide I believe it runs Unity Runtime when the game is launched </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/12/23 4:56:27 PM #61:	Xerun posted... but yes its dumb. Very dumb because it doesnt account for Re-installs, or something like Gamepass How the hell does this all even work on consoles, anyway? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976021807] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>but yes its dumb. Very dumb because it doesnt account for Re-installs, or something like Gamepass</quote>How the hell does this all even work on consoles, anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/12/23 5:02:46 PM #62:	Questionmarktarius posted... How the hell does this all even work on consoles, anyway? Who knows which is why it needs more clarification and pushback. Unity does do a lot that I dont think people understand so Im not opposed to paying for it. But its annoying because my game is mostly built other than assets and VFX and sound. So I would port it to Unreal but I cant be f*ed learning a new engine. I think this is mostly a disguised way of getting people to sign up to Unity Pro. Since then the revenue/install threshold increases to $1m a year/ 1,000,000 installs. But I dont know the pricing on that and I think its expensive for team as its per license (from memory) --- Currently Playing: Sea of Stars <cite>Xerun posted [p:976021913] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>How the hell does this all even work on consoles, anyway?</quote>Who knows which is why it needs more clarification and pushback. Unity does do a lot that I dont think people understand so Im not opposed to paying for it. But its annoying because my game is mostly built other than assets and VFX and sound. So I would port it to Unreal but I cant be f*ed learning a new engine. I think this is mostly a disguised way of getting people to sign up to Unity Pro. Since then the revenue/install threshold increases to $1m a year/ 1,000,000 installs. But I dont know the pricing on that and I think its expensive for team as its per license (from memory) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/12/23 5:07:41 PM #63:	Based Unreal Engine promoting their royalty model of 5% of earnings after $1 mil. https://twitter.com/flassari/status/1701637581321183274?s=20 You don't need to worry about the long tail either. Even if you've passed the $1M mark for a single title, if that title grosses less than $10,000 for a calendar quarter then you don't owe us any royalty payments that quarter. When asked how they track earnings, they simply answer, "You tell us. We trust you." --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976022022] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Based Unreal Engine promoting their royalty model of 5% of earnings after $1 mil.https://twitter.com/flassari/status/1701637581321183274?s=20<quote>You don't need to worry about the long tail either.Even if you've passed the $1M mark for a single title, if that title grosses less than $10,000 for a calendar quarter then you don't owe us any royalty payments that quarter.</quote>When asked how they track earnings, they simply answer, "You tell us. We trust you." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpawnShadow 09/12/23 5:08:03 PM #64:	punkfanalways posted... How would unity even know who installs the game. My guess is that they'd force the devs of any game that uses Unity to include spyware designed to detect and report installation and uninstallation. <cite>SpawnShadow posted [p:976022035] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>punkfanalways posted... </cite><quote>How would unity even know who installs the game.</quote>My guess is that they'd force the devs of any game that uses Unity to include spyware designed to detect and report installation and uninstallation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 09/12/23 5:08:15 PM #65:	Xerun posted... Who knows which is why it needs more clarification and pushback. Unity does do a lot that I dont think people understand so Im not opposed to paying for it. But its annoying because my game is mostly built other than assets and VFX and sound. So I would port it to Unreal but I cant be f*ed learning a new engine. I think this is mostly a disguised way of getting people to sign up to Unity Pro. Since then the revenue/install threshold increases to $1m a year/ 1,000,000 installs. But I dont know the pricing on that and I think its expensive for team as its per license (from memory) From my basic understanding of game development I'd assume companies would rather license Unreal for less money, more perks, and maybe training and educational support from Epic. --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:976022045] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>Who knows which is why it needs more clarification and pushback. Unity does do a lot that I dont think people understand so Im not opposed to paying for it. But its annoying because my game is mostly built other than assets and VFX and sound. So I would port it to Unreal but I cant be f*ed learning a new engine. I think this is mostly a disguised way of getting people to sign up to Unity Pro. Since then the revenue/install threshold increases to $1m a year/ 1,000,000 installs. But I dont know the pricing on that and I think its expensive for team as its per license (from memory)</quote>From my basic understanding of game development I'd assume companies would rather license Unreal for less money, more perks, and maybe training and educational support from Epic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/12/23 5:08:23 PM #66:	BakonBitz posted... When asked how they track earnings, they simply answer, "You tell us. We trust you." Ok IRS --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:976022048] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>When asked how they track earnings, they simply answer, "You tell us. We trust you."</quote>Ok IRS </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
punkfanalways 09/12/23 5:10:02 PM #67:	Jagr_68 posted... From my basic understanding of game development I'd assume companies would rather license Unreal for less money, more perks, and maybe training and educational support from Epic. UR is a lot more difficult to use. One of the reasons unity is so ubiquitous is how easy it is to dev for. <cite>punkfanalways posted [p:976022082] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Jagr_68 posted... </cite><quote>From my basic understanding of game development I'd assume companies would rather license Unreal for less money, more perks, and maybe training and educational support from Epic.</quote>UR is a lot more difficult to use. One of the reasons unity is so ubiquitous is how easy it is to dev for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/12/23 5:12:43 PM #68:	Irony posted... Ok IRS Lol, to be fair it's a bit more frustrating with IRS because they expect you to know how much you owe them if you get audited. With Unreal Engine I think it's a bit better and less invasive for them to not closely monitor your earnings. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976022133] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>Ok IRS</quote>Lol, to be fair it's a bit more frustrating with IRS because they expect you to know how much you owe them if you get audited.With Unreal Engine I think it's a bit better and less invasive for them to not closely monitor your earnings. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir_Will 09/12/23 5:13:37 PM #69:	BakonBitz posted... Edit: I think the worst thing about this is that it's a retroactive change, so anyone currently making bank with Unity-made games will now get charged. Something like that really shouldn't be legal, imo. BakonBitz posted... They even encourage devs putting in microtransactions to provide a steady revenue with this put into place. Yeah, fuck that so hard. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir_Will posted [p:976022152] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>Edit: I think the worst thing about this is that it's a retroactive change, so anyone currently making bank with Unity-made games will now get charged.</quote>Something like that really shouldn't be legal, imo.BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>They even encourage devs putting in microtransactions to provide a steady revenue with this put into place.</quote>Yeah, fuck that so hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/12/23 5:15:49 PM #70:	Jagr_68 posted... From my basic understanding of game development I'd assume companies would rather license Unreal for less money, more perks, and maybe training and educational support from Epic. Yes this will likely be the nail in the coffin for Unity. Unity has always been easier to pickup than Unreal. Which has given it a reputation for shit quality when in reality the engines are more equal than people realise. But I cant see why anyone wouldnt just get Unreal as an Indy dev now --- Currently Playing: Sea of Stars <cite>Xerun posted [p:976022199] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Jagr_68 posted... </cite><quote>From my basic understanding of game development I'd assume companies would rather license Unreal for less money, more perks, and maybe training and educational support from Epic.</quote>Yes this will likely be the nail in the coffin for Unity. Unity has always been easier to pickup than Unreal. Which has given it a reputation for shit quality when in reality the engines are more equal than people realise. But I cant see why anyone wouldnt just get Unreal as an Indy dev now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 09/12/23 5:16:00 PM #71:	punkfanalways posted... UR is a lot more difficult to use. One of the reasons unity is so ubiquitous is how easy it is to dev for. Why is over 90% of the industry making vanilla games in that if it's just gonna lead to growing pains? --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:976022205] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>punkfanalways posted... </cite><quote>UR is a lot more difficult to use. One of the reasons unity is so ubiquitous is how easy it is to dev for.</quote>Why is over 90% of the industry making vanilla games in that if it's just gonna lead to growing pains? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/12/23 5:16:20 PM #72:	Just buy the $20 book about Unreal Engine development that I saw online --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:976022210] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Just buy the $20 book about Unreal Engine development that I saw online </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 09/12/23 5:17:35 PM #73:	Irony posted... Just buy the $20 book about Unreal Engine development that I saw online you can do it for free using YouTube. Its how I learnt Unity and Blender --- Currently Playing: Sea of Stars <cite>Xerun posted [p:976022244] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>Just buy the $20 book about Unreal Engine development that I saw online</quote>you can do it for free using YouTube. Its how I learnt Unity and Blender </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/12/23 5:18:14 PM #74:	I need you to use blender to make me some Overwatch porn --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:976022261] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>I need you to use blender to make me some Overwatch porn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xerun 09/12/23 5:24:25 PM #76:	Irony posted... I need you to use blender to make me some Overwatch porn once you get past the difficulty of understanding what all the buttons do and how to navigate around Blender is actually really easy to use --- Currently Playing: Sea of Stars <cite>Xerun posted [p:976022381] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>I need you to use blender to make me some Overwatch porn</quote>once you get past the difficulty of understanding what all the buttons do and how to navigate around Blender is actually really easy to use </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dabrikishaw15 09/12/23 5:25:41 PM #77:	Trelve posted... So one particularly devilish customer could buy a game and spend all day installing and uninstalling the game just to cost the company money? Not just that, you could in theory do this to your competition. It's not like you can track where the installs were made, so nothing stops one studio from mass-installing a bunch of another studio's games to keep adding fees. --- 3DS FC: 4382 - 2449 - 5707 IGN: Anthony <cite>Dabrikishaw15 posted [p:976022421] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Trelve posted... </cite><quote>So one particularly devilish customer could buy a game and spend all day installing and uninstalling the game just to cost the company money?</quote>Not just that, you could in theory do this to your competition. It's not like you can track where the installs were made, so nothing stops one studio from mass-installing a bunch of another studio's games to keep adding fees. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/12/23 5:27:03 PM #78:	Sir_Will posted... Yeah, fuck that so hard. "Fun" fact, the current CEO of Unity who made this recent decision is also the same ex-CEO from EA who unironically thought that players should have to buy bullets every time they reload in a shooting game. So that shows you the headspace Unity is in right now. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE&t=1s --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976022459] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Sir_Will posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, fuck that so hard.</quote>"Fun" fact, the current CEO of Unity who made this recent decision is also the same ex-CEO from EA who unironically thought that players should have to buy bullets every time they reload in a shooting game.So that shows you the headspace Unity is in right now.Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE&t=1s </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/12/23 5:28:09 PM #79:	Dabrikishaw15 posted... Not just that, you could in theory do this to your competition. It's not like you can track where the installs were made, so nothing stops one studio from mass-installing a bunch of another studio's games to keep adding fees. Perhaps even a botnet that installs enough fragments of some damn game for Unity to see it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976022480] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Dabrikishaw15 posted... </cite><quote>Not just that, you could in theory do this to your competition. It's not like you can track where the installs were made, so nothing stops one studio from mass-installing a bunch of another studio's games to keep adding fees.</quote>Perhaps even a botnet that installs enough fragments of some damn game for Unity to see it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 09/12/23 5:29:13 PM #80:	Hopefully everyone just abandons ship. Fuck this shit; civilization has no need for fucking leeches. --- --- <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:976022507] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully everyone just abandons ship. Fuck this shit; civilization has no need for fucking leeches. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 09/12/23 5:44:45 PM #81:	BakonBitz posted... "Fun" fact, the current CEO of Unity who made this recent decision is also the same ex-CEO from EA who unironically thought that players should have to buy bullets every time they reload in a shooting game. So that shows you the headspace Unity is in right now. I really do hate these out-of-touch, money-hungry CEOs who don't know shit about the industry their company is a part of. --- Eat the rich Destroy the GOP <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:976022832] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>"Fun" fact, the current CEO of Unity who made this recent decision is also the same ex-CEO from EA who unironically thought that players should have to buy bullets every time they reload in a shooting game.So that shows you the headspace Unity is in right now.</quote>I really do hate these out-of-touch, money-hungry CEOs who don't know shit about the industry their company is a part of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir_Will 09/12/23 6:03:28 PM #82:	BakonBitz posted... "Fun" fact, the current CEO of Unity who made this recent decision is also the same ex-CEO from EA who unironically thought that players should have to buy bullets every time they reload in a shooting game. So that shows you the headspace Unity is in right now. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE&t=1s He's going to tank the company and still get a golden payout. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir_Will posted [p:976023319] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>"Fun" fact, the current CEO of Unity who made this recent decision is also the same ex-CEO from EA who unironically thought that players should have to buy bullets every time they reload in a shooting game.So that shows you the headspace Unity is in right now.Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE&t=1s</quote>He's going to tank the company and still get a golden payout. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/12/23 6:06:05 PM #83:	Was poking through Unity's 10-K from last year and I found this https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/3/AAUFZqAAE1b9.jpg Now that's funny. Also, I noticed in the income statement that their R&D expenses alone last year were enough to completely wipe out their gross profit. They spent nearly a billion just on R&D. What the fuck --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:976023394] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Was poking through Unity's 10-K from last year and I found thishttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/3/AAUFZqAAE1b9.jpg Now that's funny.Also, I noticed in the income statement that their R&D expenses alone last year were enough to completely wipe out their gross profit. They spent nearly a billion just on R&D. What the fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/12/23 6:11:08 PM #84:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Was poking through Unity's 10-K from last year and I found this https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/3/AAUFZqAAE1b9.jpg Now that's funny. Also, I noticed in the income statement that their R&D expenses alone last year were enough to completely wipe out their gross profit. They spent nearly a billion just on R&D. What the fuck That's funny, I wonder why Unity is having such a problem being profitable when Unreal asks for far less in royalties and is not as popular an engine to smaller devs/indies? --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976023494] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Was poking through Unity's 10-K from last year and I found thishttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/5/3/AAUFZqAAE1b9.jpg Now that's funny.Also, I noticed in the income statement that their R&D expenses alone last year were enough to completely wipe out their gross profit. They spent nearly a billion just on R&D. What the fuck</quote>That's funny, I wonder why Unity is having such a problem being profitable when Unreal asks for far less in royalties and is not as popular an engine to smaller devs/indies? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xenogears15 09/12/23 6:14:48 PM #85:	BakonBitz posted... That's funny, I wonder why Unity is having such a problem being profitable when Unreal asks for far less in royalties and is not as popular an engine to smaller devs/indies? To be fair, Unreal has been around for, like, ever. So they've had more time to streamline and refine their product. --- This rant was brought to you by your local random thinker. I'm as Canadian as Wayne Gretzky crashing a snowmobile into a moose. - JIC X <cite>Xenogears15 posted [p:976023560] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>That's funny, I wonder why Unity is having such a problem being profitable when Unreal asks for far less in royalties and is not as popular an engine to smaller devs/indies?</quote>To be fair, Unreal has been around for, like, ever. So they've had more time to streamline and refine their product. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 09/12/23 6:16:33 PM #86:	sounds like unreal about to have even more time --- --- <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:976023586] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>sounds like unreal about to have even more time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Left4Doge 09/12/23 6:33:05 PM #87:	Wow what a surprise, coming from the mastermind of the Online Pass --- Formerly Alpha218 - Crypto is a scam and this name isn't a reference to it https://discord.gg/vzpsef2tJc - Join us for games \|\| https://bit.ly/39z7PHA - YouTube <cite>Left4Doge posted [p:976023899] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Wow what a surprise, coming from the mastermind of the Online Pass </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 09/12/23 6:36:58 PM #88:	Left4Doge posted... Wow what a surprise, coming from the mastermind of the Online Pass I remember when EA did that. Most idiotic decision I've ever seen. Guess he hasn't learned not to be so greedy --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:976023965] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Left4Doge posted... </cite><quote>Wow what a surprise, coming from the mastermind of the Online Pass</quote>I remember when EA did that. Most idiotic decision I've ever seen. Guess he hasn't learned not to be so greedy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/12/23 6:41:33 PM #89:	Yeah this is nuts. Perhaps the actual worst news in the industry since the Xbox One DRM fiasco? Like if this goes through a shitload of older games will have to be delisted just so it's not a moneysink for developers. Even that isn't guaranteed as until now we still are able to download delisted games. Now there's incentive to remove that access. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976024055] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Yeah this is nuts. Perhaps the actual worst news in the industry since the Xbox One DRM fiasco? Like if this goes through a shitload of older games will have to be delisted just so it's not a moneysink for developers. Even that isn't guaranteed as until now we still are able to download delisted games. Now there's incentive to remove that access. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/12/23 6:48:00 PM #90:	https://twitter.com/ZFighterAmuro/status/1701653400285286448?s=20 Suda51 was warning us all along... --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976024170] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ZFighterAmuro/status/1701653400285286448?s=20Suda51 was warning us all along... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 09/12/23 6:54:32 PM #91:	I could go for some ricittiello with some pesto and sun dried tomatoes. --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:976024287] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>I could go for some ricittiello with some pesto and sun dried tomatoes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 09/12/23 7:00:46 PM #92:	BakonBitz posted... According to Unity themselves it's every install. Bundles and charity stuff are exempt from this though, so Indie Humble Bundles are safe. https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1701679721027633280?s=20 Holy shit, that's atrocious and the way I'd heard of it earlier today it was already bad. 100% developers should instantly abandon Unity. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:976024385] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite><quote>According to Unity themselves it's every install. Bundles and charity stuff are exempt from this though, so Indie Humble Bundles are safe.https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1701679721027633280?s=20</quote>Holy shit, that's atrocious and the way I'd heard of it earlier today it was already bad. 100% developers should instantly abandon Unity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 09/12/23 7:05:36 PM #93:	Enclave posted... Holy shit, that's atrocious and the way I'd heard of it earlier today it was already bad. 100% developers should instantly abandon Unity. For sure, even if they walk this back, the fact this was even considered (they even did weeks of focus testing and ignored all concerns about outrage and confusion over it) should be the nail in the coffin for a lot of devs. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:976024487] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Enclave posted... </cite><quote>Holy shit, that's atrocious and the way I'd heard of it earlier today it was already bad. 100% developers should instantly abandon Unity.</quote>For sure, even if they walk this back, the fact this was even considered (they even did weeks of focus testing and ignored all concerns about outrage and confusion over it) should be the nail in the coffin for a lot of devs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 09/12/23 7:09:00 PM #94:	Charging a fee per install rather than per purchase is just fucked up. Developers have no way to control that and players should be free to delete a game and come back to it later without hurting the developer that they want to support. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:976024557] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Charging a fee per install rather than per purchase is just fucked up. Developers have no way to control that and players should be free to delete a game and come back to it later without hurting the developer that they want to support. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/12/23 7:10:34 PM #95:	https://twitter.com/Serellan/status/1701668309689851938 There's a lot to criticize Epic for but at the least they are very pro-developer with their policies. --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976024584] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Serellan/status/1701668309689851938There's a lot to criticize Epic for but at the least they are very pro-developer with their policies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KFHEWUI 09/12/23 7:27:15 PM #96:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAKYEFAAE1cs.jpg https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1701642350634885127 --- R.I.P. SaikyoMog! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-seAIeu3Og "You know, there are certain flaws in this film," Tom Servo <cite>KFHEWUI posted [p:976024900] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAKYEFAAE1cs.jpg https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1701642350634885127 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/12/23 7:28:03 PM #97:	Every dev should move off of Unity regardless of this whole fiasco The documentation is a complete mess, the updates themselves haven't done much to push the engine forward, and there's several other engines in C# that are better anyway. C++ is the better language to develop in anyway. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:976024920] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Every dev should move off of Unity regardless of this whole fiasco The documentation is a complete mess, the updates themselves haven't done much to push the engine forward, and there's several other engines in C# that are better anyway. C++ is the better language to develop in anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punished_Blinx 09/12/23 7:29:50 PM #98:	KFHEWUI posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAKYEFAAE1cs.jpg https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1701642350634885127 How is this even legal --- A Fallen Mascot <cite>Punished_Blinx posted [p:976024946] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>KFHEWUI posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAKYEFAAE1cs.jpg https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1701642350634885127</quote>How is this even legal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 09/12/23 7:31:52 PM #99:	Doom_Art posted... Every dev should move off of Unity regardless of this whole fiasco The documentation is a complete mess, the updates themselves haven't done much to push the engine forward, and there's several other engines in C# that are better anyway. C++ is the better language to develop in anyway. C++ is a terrible language for video games. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:976024988] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite><quote>Every dev should move off of Unity regardless of this whole fiasco The documentation is a complete mess, the updates themselves haven't done much to push the engine forward, and there's several other engines in C# that are better anyway. C++ is the better language to develop in anyway.</quote>C++ is a terrible language for video games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 09/12/23 7:33:24 PM #100:	KFHEWUI posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAKYEFAAE1cs.jpg https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1701642350634885127 John Riccitiello is the former CEO of EA back when they invented novel ideas like the online pass for used games. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:976025013] in Unity plan... [t:80563221]...</cite> <quote>KFHEWUI posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/0/AAKYEFAAE1cs.jpg https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1701642350634885127</quote>John Riccitiello is the former CEO of EA back when they invented novel ideas like the online pass for used games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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