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creativerealms 09/11/23 4:38:27 PM #101:	ThyCorndog posted... it's funny cause art in general is rarely conservative. I don't know if any of those games are conservative. conservatives are bad at making art, whether it's movies, video games, paintings, etc Creative people are more likely to be more progressive. There are conservative writers, actors and artists but they tend to be the minority. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Save Star trek prodigy <cite>creativerealms posted [p:976000928] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite><quote>it's funny cause art in general is rarely conservative. I don't know if any of those games are conservative. conservatives are bad at making art, whether it's movies, video games, paintings, etc</quote>Creative people are more likely to be more progressive. There are conservative writers, actors and artists but they tend to be the minority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 09/11/23 4:40:27 PM #102:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Does it? I don't follow Minecraft lore. It definitely seems like the meme maker prioritized real life associations over ingame lore at any rate. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:976000973] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Does it? I don't follow Minecraft lore. It definitely seems like the meme maker prioritized real life associations over ingame lore at any rate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 09/11/23 4:42:28 PM #103:	ThyCorndog posted... it's funny cause art in general is rarely conservative. I don't know if any of those games are conservative. conservatives are bad at making art, whether it's movies, video games, paintings, etc Isn't Attack on Titan made by a Japanese conservative? I thought I heard some controversy about that. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:976001006] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite><quote>it's funny cause art in general is rarely conservative. I don't know if any of those games are conservative. conservatives are bad at making art, whether it's movies, video games, paintings, etc</quote>Isn't Attack on Titan made by a Japanese conservative? I thought I heard some controversy about that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giblet_Enjoyer 09/11/23 5:13:45 PM #105:	Couldn't any game that demands skill to progress be considered conservativecore? Conservatives are the gatekeeping folk, liberals are the big tent inclusivity types. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:976001551] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Couldn't any game that demands skill to progress be considered conservativecore? Conservatives are the gatekeeping folk, liberals are the big tent inclusivity types. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 09/11/23 5:17:58 PM #106:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Couldn't any game that demands skill to progress be considered conservativecore? Conservatives are the gatekeeping folk, liberals are the big tent inclusivity types. uhhhhh no --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:976001625] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>Couldn't any game that demands skill to progress be considered conservativecore? Conservatives are the gatekeeping folk, liberals are the big tent inclusivity types.</quote>uhhhhh no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/11/23 5:19:05 PM #107:	AceMos posted... uhhhhh no Well that isn't much of an argument, is it --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:976001644] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>uhhhhh no</quote>Well that isn't much of an argument, is it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dancedreamer 09/11/23 5:25:58 PM #109:	ThyCorndog posted... it's funny cause art in general is rarely conservative. I don't know if any of those games are conservative. conservatives are bad at making art, whether it's movies, video games, paintings, etc I think it's less that, and more that it's difficult to portray progressive values in a villainous way and do it well. On the other hand, conservatives tend to make great villains. Fighting to maintain the status quo isn't particularly appealing. For this reason, conservatives tend to make poor heroes. The exception, of course, is when they're fighting other conservative factions. Then there's also the fact that in order to write something well, you have to understand it, and conservatives truly do not understand liberal values. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:976001774] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite><quote>it's funny cause art in general is rarely conservative. I don't know if any of those games are conservative. conservatives are bad at making art, whether it's movies, video games, paintings, etc</quote>I think it's less that, and more that it's difficult to portray progressive values in a villainous way and do it well. On the other hand, conservatives tend to make great villains. Fighting to maintain the status quo isn't particularly appealing. For this reason, conservatives tend to make poor heroes. The exception, of course, is when they're fighting other conservative factions. Then there's also the fact that in order to write something well, you have to understand it, and conservatives truly do not understand liberal values. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/11/23 5:27:13 PM #110:	All conservative art can do is say the current ways are good and the old ways are better. So the apotheosis of conservative art already happened in the Renaissance --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976001804] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>All conservative art can do is say the current ways are good and the old ways are better. So the apotheosis of conservative art already happened in the Renaissance </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cynrascal 09/11/23 5:27:37 PM #111:	YugiNoob posted... Clearly P4 is conservative. Kotaku was crying about how you live with a cop! And Makoto and Haru are "living easy" in Persona 5. --- Asocial, not introverted. Know the difference. Maybe those JRPGs villains were on to something about humanity being trash. <cite>Cynrascal posted [p:976001807] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>YugiNoob posted... </cite><quote>Clearly P4 is conservative. Kotaku was crying about how you live with a cop!</quote>And Makoto and Haru are "living easy" in Persona 5. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/11/23 5:30:16 PM #112:	Remember when Teddie asks you what "glomping" is and Dojima walks in right as you're doing it and hits you with that homophobic stare. "What the hell are you two doing" --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976001868] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Remember when Teddie asks you what "glomping" is and Dojima walks in right as you're doing it and hits you with that homophobic stare. "What the hell are you two doing" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/11/23 5:39:46 PM #113:	Doe posted... All conservative art can do is say the current ways are good and the old ways are better. So the apotheosis of conservative art already happened in the Renaissance Exactly the opposite. The Renaissance was a 're-birth'. New learning, new discoveries, new innovations. A whole lot of challenging of the status quo was going on at that time. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976002033] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>All conservative art can do is say the current ways are good and the old ways are better. So the apotheosis of conservative art already happened in the Renaissance</quote>Exactly the opposite.The Renaissance was a 're-birth'. New learning, new discoveries, new innovations. A whole lot of challenging of the status quo was going on at that time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 09/11/23 5:44:02 PM #115:	ai123 posted... Exactly the opposite. The Renaissance was a 're-birth'. New learning, new discoveries, new innovations. A whole lot of challenging of the status quo was going on at that time. From History.com since I'm lazy The Renaissance was a fervent period of European cultural, artistic, political and economic rebirth following the Middle Ages. Generally described as taking place from the 14th century to the 17th century, the Renaissance promoted the rediscovery of classical philosophy, literature and art. There's a reason it was a rebirth, not a new birth. People during the Renaissance were obsessed with the writings and sculpture of the Greco-roman people and placed a premium on "old wisdom". They saw the empires before them as a greater, more enlightened time and believed that if they pulled those ideas into the present it would better the world. That included the reintroduction of a bunch of incorrect knowledge and superstition because the writings and practices of the ancients were privileged. I'm not saying new innovation didn't happen during the Renaissance. I'm saying that this aspect of the Renaissance, the worship of the past and the forms constructed by ancestors, is the apotheosis of conservative art. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976002110] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>Exactly the opposite.The Renaissance was a 're-birth'. New learning, new discoveries, new innovations. A whole lot of challenging of the status quo was going on at that time.</quote>From History.com since I'm lazy<quote>The Renaissance was a fervent period of European cultural, artistic, political and economic rebirth following the Middle Ages. Generally described as taking place from the 14th century to the 17th century, the Renaissance promoted the rediscovery of classical philosophy, literature and art.</quote>There's a reason it was a rebirth, not a new birth. People during the Renaissance were obsessed with the writings and sculpture of the Greco-roman people and placed a premium on "old wisdom". They saw the empires before them as a greater, more enlightened time and believed that if they pulled those ideas into the present it would better the world. That included the reintroduction of a bunch of incorrect knowledge and superstition because the writings and practices of the ancients were privileged. I'm not saying new innovation didn't happen during the Renaissance. I'm saying that this aspect of the Renaissance, the worship of the past and the forms constructed by ancestors, is the apotheosis of conservative art. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/11/23 5:55:55 PM #116:	Doe posted... From History.com since I'm lazy There's a reason it was a rebirth, not a new birth. People during the Renaissance were obsessed with the writings and sculpture of the Greco-roman people and placed a premium on "old wisdom". They saw the empires before them as a greater, more enlightened time and believed that if they pulled those ideas into the present it would better the world. That included the reintroduction of a bunch of incorrect knowledge and superstition because the writings and practices of the ancients were privileged. I'm not saying new innovation didn't happen during the Renaissance. I'm saying that this aspect of the Renaissance, the worship of the past and the forms constructed by ancestors, is the apotheosis of conservative art. They used the rediscovered knowledge to break away from medieval conservatism. It wasn't a return to the past. It was the intellectual revolution of the Renaissance that lead directly to the Protestant Reformation, challenging the most conservative institution of all. As did the scientific revolution lead by Galileo. The Renaissance was not a good time for those trying to hold on to the old ways. The conservatives were the ones arguing that Renaissance thought was undermining Christian morals and social structures. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976002323] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite><quote>From History.com since I'm lazyThere's a reason it was a rebirth, not a new birth. People during the Renaissance were obsessed with the writings and sculpture of the Greco-roman people and placed a premium on "old wisdom". They saw the empires before them as a greater, more enlightened time and believed that if they pulled those ideas into the present it would better the world. That included the reintroduction of a bunch of incorrect knowledge and superstition because the writings and practices of the ancients were privileged. I'm not saying new innovation didn't happen during the Renaissance. I'm saying that this aspect of the Renaissance, the worship of the past and the forms constructed by ancestors, is the apotheosis of conservative art.</quote>They used the rediscovered knowledge to break away from medieval conservatism. It wasn't a return to the past.It was the intellectual revolution of the Renaissance that lead directly to the Protestant Reformation, challenging the most conservative institution of all. As did the scientific revolution lead by Galileo. The Renaissance was not a good time for those trying to hold on to the old ways. The conservatives were the ones arguing that Renaissance thought was undermining Christian morals and social structures. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lobinde 09/11/23 5:57:56 PM #117:	The fact that bioshock and Fallout are on here makes me convinced that this is satire. --- Hey gamers, check out my gaming game ratings and game reviews at https://backloggd.com/u/LobbyDob/ <cite>Lobinde posted [p:976002363] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>The fact that bioshock and Fallout are on here makes me convinced that this is satire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CervusCanadensi 09/11/23 6:21:09 PM #118:	What are nonconservative core video game examples? <cite>CervusCanadensi posted [p:976002799] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>What are nonconservative core video game examples?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/11/23 9:23:45 PM #119:	CervusCanadensi posted... What are nonconservative core video game examples? Flower Journey Gone Home Electroplankton any game with a "journalist" mode that makes you invincible/solves puzzles for you --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:976006109] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>CervusCanadensi posted... </cite><quote>What are nonconservative core video game examples?</quote>FlowerJourneyGone HomeElectroplanktonany game with a "journalist" mode that makes you invincible/solves puzzles for you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass 09/11/23 9:25:43 PM #120:	ZMythos posted... I threw up in my mouth a little upon seeing Megaman Zero. Do chuds really think they're like the hero in they game? This WTF. They can't have Zero. They probably think ~~Copy-X~~ is a hero. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Bass posted [p:976006168] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite><quote>I threw up in my mouth a little upon seeing Megaman Zero. Do chuds really think they're like the hero in they game?</quote>This WTF. They can't have Zero. They probably think Copy-X is a hero. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 09/11/23 10:21:04 PM #122:	no BMX XXX? --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976007342] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>no BMX XXX? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 09/11/23 10:29:18 PM #123:	Ivynn posted... Isn't Attack on Titan made by a Japanese conservative? I thought I heard some controversy about that. IDK about where Isayama fits (plus japanese politics probably have a different line anyway), but the controversy was stupid. IIRC it was painting AoT as some nationalistic fantasy when it's one of the most anti-nationalist series I've ever seen --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:976007475] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Ivynn posted... </cite><quote>Isn't Attack on Titan made by a Japanese conservative? I thought I heard some controversy about that.</quote>IDK about where Isayama fits (plus japanese politics probably have a different line anyway), but the controversy was stupid. IIRC it was painting AoT as some nationalistic fantasy when it's one of the most anti-nationalist series I've ever seen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 09/11/23 11:10:33 PM #124:	mehmeh1 posted... IDK about where Isayama fits (plus japanese politics probably have a different line anyway), but the controversy was stupid. IIRC it was painting AoT as some nationalistic fantasy when it's one of the most anti-nationalist series I've ever seen True I haven't seen the final season yet but that was very much a "fuck the government, they're getting us killed and lying to us" show --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:976008365] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>mehmeh1 posted... </cite><quote>IDK about where Isayama fits (plus japanese politics probably have a different line anyway), but the controversy was stupid. IIRC it was painting AoT as some nationalistic fantasy when it's one of the most anti-nationalist series I've ever seen</quote>True I haven't seen the final season yet but that was very much a "fuck the government, they're getting us killed and lying to us" show </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 09/11/23 11:20:50 PM #125:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Couldn't any game that demands skill to progress be considered conservativecore? Conservatives are the gatekeeping folk, liberals are the big tent inclusivity types. Theyre gatekeepers based on what youre born as (white, straight, rich, etc.) not how skilled or hard working you are. Which makes their bootstraps propaganda especially ridiculous. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976008586] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>Couldn't any game that demands skill to progress be considered conservativecore? Conservatives are the gatekeeping folk, liberals are the big tent inclusivity types.</quote>Theyre gatekeepers based on what youre born as (white, straight, rich, etc.) not how skilled or hard working you are.Which makes their bootstraps propaganda especially ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wanderingshade 09/11/23 11:27:24 PM #126:	Why Persona 4 Golden specifically, of all the SMT/Persona games? It's not because of Nanako is it? --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" <cite>wanderingshade posted [p:976008711] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Why Persona 4 Golden specifically, of all the SMT/Persona games? It's not because of Nanako is it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 09/11/23 11:29:06 PM #127:	This about sums up conservative brainpower in a nutshell. --- And as the people bend, The moral fabric dies, Then country can't pretend to ignore its peoples cries. <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:976008749] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>This about sums up conservative brainpower in a nutshell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/11/23 11:30:34 PM #128:	Dark_Arbron posted... Theyre gatekeepers based on what youre born as (white, straight, rich, etc.) not how skilled or hard working you are. The idea of meritocracy is pretty firmly a conservative value and conception of the way the world functions --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:976008772] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Theyre gatekeepers based on what youre born as (white, straight, rich, etc.) not how skilled or hard working you are.</quote>The idea of meritocracy is pretty firmly a conservative value and conception of the way the world functions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 09/11/23 11:35:33 PM #129:	codey posted... True I haven't seen the final season yet but that was very much a "fuck the government, they're getting us killed and lying to us" show the final season straight up has one of its main plots be about ~~how nationalism causes people to dehumanize others and the cycle of hatred it can bring about~~ --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:976008850] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>codey posted... </cite><quote>True I haven't seen the final season yet but that was very much a "fuck the government, they're getting us killed and lying to us" show</quote>the final season straight up has one of its main plots be about how nationalism causes people to dehumanize others and the cycle of hatred it can bring about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 09/12/23 9:42:11 AM #130:	wanderingshade posted... Why Persona 4 Golden specifically, of all the SMT/Persona games? It's not because of Nanako is it? Because the MC lives with a good police officer. Even though one of the main villains is a corrupt police officer. Kind of weird this is a game that says it's okay for men to have traditionally feminine interests and women can have traditionally masculine interests and really they just have to accept those parts of themselves to become better people. You would think conservatives would hate that. --- "Intelligence has no place in Politics" Londo, (Babylon Five) Save Star trek prodigy <cite>creativerealms posted [p:976014222] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>Why Persona 4 Golden specifically, of all the SMT/Persona games? It's not because of Nanako is it?</quote>Because the MC lives with a good police officer. Even though one of the main villains is a corrupt police officer.Kind of weird this is a game that says it's okay for men to have traditionally feminine interests and women can have traditionally masculine interests and really they just have to accept those parts of themselves to become better people. You would think conservatives would hate that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 09/12/23 9:43:41 AM #131:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... The idea of meritocracy is pretty firmly a conservative value and conception of the way the world functions In other words the people got rich by working hard myth. And yes, we know its a myth. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976014236] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite><quote>The idea of meritocracy is pretty firmly a conservative value and conception of the way the world functions</quote>In other words the people got rich by working hard myth.And yes, we know its a myth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/13/23 4:07:37 AM #132:	ProfessorKukui posted... New Vegas is trans so of course chuds wouldn't like it. I'm not against this interpretation, but I need it explained. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976031335] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>ProfessorKukui posted... </cite><quote>New Vegas is trans so of course chuds wouldn't like it.</quote>I'm not against this interpretation, but I need it explained. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CE_gonna_CE 09/13/23 5:48:46 AM #133:	No Wisdom Tree games listed? For shame --- "Creed made better Pearl Jam music than Pearl Jam did" - shockthemonkey <cite>CE_gonna_CE posted [p:976031954] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>No Wisdom Tree games listed? For shame </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/13/23 10:13:31 AM #134:	CE_gonna_CE posted... No Wisdom Tree games listed? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/9/AAEhCpAAE1jF.jpg <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:976034925] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>CE_gonna_CE posted... </cite><quote>No Wisdom Tree games listed?</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/9/AAEhCpAAE1jF.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cynrascal 09/13/23 11:29:41 AM #135:	wanderingshade posted... Why Persona 4 Golden specifically, of all the SMT/Persona games? It's not because of Nanako is it? My guess it's because of Kanji and Naoto not being what they wanted. The fact that people still insist on ignoring how Naoto's shadow was bringing up Naoto's age and how folks gave her shit and called her a child that didn't know her place and would rather be obsessed with how she dressed up as a guy to try and gain some level of respect from the same folks in the police force who would give her shit is mind-blowing. The shadow bosses in Persona 4 are an exaggeration of one person's thoughts, trauma, and issues. --- Asocial, not introverted. Know the difference. Maybe those JRPGs villains were on to something about humanity being trash. <cite>Cynrascal posted [p:976036234] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>wanderingshade posted... </cite><quote>Why Persona 4 Golden specifically, of all the SMT/Persona games? It's not because of Nanako is it?</quote>My guess it's because of Kanji and Naoto not being what they wanted. The fact that people still insist on ignoring how Naoto's shadow was bringing up Naoto's age and how folks gave her shit and called her a child that didn't know her place and would rather be obsessed with how she dressed up as a guy to try and gain some level of respect from the same folks in the police force who would give her shit is mind-blowing. The shadow bosses in Persona 4 are an exaggeration of one person's thoughts, trauma, and issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 09/13/23 11:58:36 AM #136:	Cynrascal posted... My guess it's because of Kanji and Naoto not being what they wanted. The fact that people still insist on ignoring how Naoto's shadow. . . Is mind-blowing Not speaking for that poster, but generally the problem people (such as myself) have with the writing of the Shadows in P4 aren't criticising the game's internal self-consistency. That's a diagetic analysis of the characters: within the world, the reason they feel how they do and reject their shadows is explained fine. The issue is that P4, as a whole, depicts LGBT identity as absurd warped versions of acceptable variance in a heteronormative society. People on the internet have tried to clarify this with the terms "Watsonian" and "Doylist", to contrast how a trait of Sherlock Holmes would be described to you if you asked his partner Watson, versus the author Doyle. Watson might tell you that Sherlock took a trip to Egypt after reading a curious pamphlet left in his mailbox. Doyle might tell you it was because he wanted to write prose about an exotic setting away from London. You're looking at the game with a Watsonian lens and seeing that their motivations are accounted for in-universe. I'm looking at the game with a Doylist lens and asking why, every time LGBT identity and appearance comes up in the game, it's depicted as a character misunderstanding themselves, their inner psyche being out of its mind. Why is it that this game with themes of accepting yourself and others goes out of its way to depict LGBT identities in the manner it does, and then have characters reject that possibility? Why is there an extended cross-dressing gag where the subject is used for disgust and humiliation? And when I lay it out like that, isn't the answer pretty clear? The writers don't see LGBT identities as something normal that people should accept about themselves. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY <cite>Doe posted [p:976036761] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>Cynrascal posted... </cite><quote>My guess it's because of Kanji and Naoto not being what they wanted. The fact that people still insist on ignoring how Naoto's shadow. . . Is mind-blowing </quote>Not speaking for that poster, but generally the problem people (such as myself) have with the writing of the Shadows in P4 aren't criticising the game's internal self-consistency. That's a diagetic analysis of the characters: within the world, the reason they feel how they do and reject their shadows is explained fine. The issue is that P4, as a whole, depicts LGBT identity as absurd warped versions of acceptable variance in a heteronormative society. People on the internet have tried to clarify this with the terms "Watsonian" and "Doylist", to contrast how a trait of Sherlock Holmes would be described to you if you asked his partner Watson, versus the author Doyle. Watson might tell you that Sherlock took a trip to Egypt after reading a curious pamphlet left in his mailbox. Doyle might tell you it was because he wanted to write prose about an exotic setting away from London.You're looking at the game with a Watsonian lens and seeing that their motivations are accounted for in-universe. I'm looking at the game with a Doylist lens and asking why, every time LGBT identity and appearance comes up in the game, it's depicted as a character misunderstanding themselves, their inner psyche being out of its mind. Why is it that this game with themes of accepting yourself and others goes out of its way to depict LGBT identities in the manner it does, and then have characters reject that possibility? Why is there an extended cross-dressing gag where the subject is used for disgust and humiliation? And when I lay it out like that, isn't the answer pretty clear? The writers don't see LGBT identities as something normal that people should accept about themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apolloooo 09/14/23 10:39:57 PM #137:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/9/AATCxZAAE13t.jpg --- http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone <cite>apolloooo posted [p:976075461] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/9/AATCxZAAE13t.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 09/18/23 7:58:23 AM #138:	So boobs = conservative apolloooo posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/3/AATCxZAAE1LZ.jpg How evolving mitochondrial monsters consevative? That's completely disregarding Genesis! --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:976145547] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>So boobs = conservativeapolloooo posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/3/AATCxZAAE1LZ.jpg </quote>How evolving mitochondrial monsters consevative?That's completely disregarding Genesis! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
apolloooo 09/19/23 3:24:56 AM #139:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/8/AATCxZAAE2qA.jpg --- http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone <cite>apolloooo posted [p:976165454] in essential ... [t:80562064]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/8/AATCxZAAE2qA.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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