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Kloe_Rinz
09/12/23 10:54:12 PM
#451:


So TCs are just deleted because we disagree with them?
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Guide
09/12/23 10:55:54 PM
#452:


COVxy posted...
Sometimes a discourse literally doesn't exist and the only people trying to have a "conversation" are people trying to convince others or trolling.

Fuck off, the best thing to do about right-wing fascism is to delete it.
I'm torn between this and having it backfire via appearing to be strong censorship. There's a point of critical mass where if you spend enough time hiding a thing, more people will want to know.

That being said, obscure dying websight etc

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Inohira
09/13/23 11:07:42 AM
#454:


I keep getting modded for "provoking users to react negatively" even though I only posted my legitimate beliefs.

As if it's my fault that someone else is too fragile to handle a disagreement.

Maybe focusing on modding the people getting hostile over opinions instead.

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TetsuoS2
09/13/23 11:09:53 AM
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KajeI
09/13/23 12:00:54 PM
#456:


Inohira posted...
I keep getting modded for "provoking users to react negatively" even though I only posted my legitimate beliefs.

As if it's my fault that someone else is too fragile to handle a disagreement.

Maybe focusing on modding the people getting hostile over opinions instead.
We'd care more if you posted this from your main.

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GranAures
09/13/23 12:05:42 PM
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KajeI posted...
We'd care more if you posted this from your main.
And posted something other than "you consider any different opinion to be trolling" and "mod the people reporting me" when the mods clearly agree with the marks.

Even further: legitimately believing something doesn't make it acceptable.

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BunkerBoy
09/13/23 12:09:12 PM
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Inohira posted...
my legitimate beliefs
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/2/AAe283AAEvky.jpg

Which ones @inohira?
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09/13/23 2:02:35 PM
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Inohira
09/13/23 3:17:39 PM
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BunkerBoy posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/2/AAe283AAEvky.jpg

Which ones @inohira?

Watch this guy not get modded for provoking me to react negatively, though, despite explictly tagging me to annoy me with a nonsensical accusation about my political affiliation.

I have not supported any conservative politicians or conservative policies. And I can't detail the moderations I'm referring to because GFAQs doesn't allow people to do that. Stop the trolling.

Gladius_ posted...


I have gotten into long winded heated debates that spanned pages without getting hit for "provoking users to react negatively." So when I hear people make the claim it was over "just their opinions" I wonder if they aren't looking at their moderations objectively.

Your opinions might not be as controversial, or about as touchy a subject as the ones I've discussed.

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GranAures
09/13/23 3:34:40 PM
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Maybe you could stand to realize that "I sincerely believe/It's just my opinion" does not excuse every belief/opinion.

My grandfather sincerely believes that we should kill every black person before they wipe out all the white people. Him believing it does not make it any less racist and therefore a message that should be moderated.

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Inohira
09/13/23 3:44:23 PM
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GranAures posted...
Maybe you could stand to realize that "I sincerely believe/It's just my opinion" does not excuse every belief/opinion.

My grandfather sincerely believes that we should kill every black person before they wipe out all the white people. Him believing it does not make it any less racist and therefore a message that should be moderated.

Opinions like that would be deleted for "offensiveness" or "abusive behavior". That is obvious hate speech.

Much like in my recent topic, we're not talking about those strawman scenarios here. We're talking about actual civil opinions that wouldn't immediately be known to be moddable just from reading the TOS.

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HashtagSEP
09/13/23 3:48:38 PM
#464:


Inohira posted...
Opinions like that would be deleted for "offensiveness" or "abusive behavior". That is obvious hate speech.


Not always. Depends what they're marked for, since they can fit more than one moderation reason.

In either case, it's clear the mods disagree with you, so take it up with them.

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GranAures
09/13/23 3:53:27 PM
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But we are talking about you peddling the same thing we have all seen repeatedly.

"It's just a different opinion."

Further, being civil does not mean a view is "good" or "not offensive."

HashtagSEP posted...
Depends what they're marked for
And how they are presented. Like the "context" being cried about in the op where the deleted topic was not only "maybe we should empathize with Nazis" but also "Anybody who disagrees is a fucking idiot."

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Bandit_Keith
09/13/23 3:56:36 PM
#466:


Inohira posted...
Your opinions might not be as controversial, or about as touchy a subject as the ones I've discussed.

Inohira posted...
We're talking about actual civil opinions that wouldn't immediately be known to be moddable just from reading the TOS.
So is it controversial and touchy, or is it civil and not inherently moddable?

At any rate, you can easily mention the subject here without giving your opinion one way or the other so those who don't know you can at least get an idea of the type of things you claim to be referring to.

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Foppe
09/13/23 4:03:38 PM
#467:


Dammit, that this one would hit 500...

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Inohira
09/13/23 4:11:07 PM
#468:


HashtagSEP posted...
In either case, it's clear the mods disagree with you,

Or they're knowingly stretching the rules. Impossible to determine.

I'm simply saying users have no fair warning of which opinions are moddable before they're modded. Someone can post a legitimate opinion in a civil fashion that is not moddable under any other clause, yet still get tagged with "provoking other users to react negatively" just because the opinion is unpopular.

GranAures posted...
But we are talking about you peddling the same thing we have all seen repeatedly.

"It's just a different opinion."

But that quote doesn't apply to the example you provided.

By "just" an opinion I mean the opinion isn't a violation under any other type of rule on the site. Calls for a race war violate all sorts of rules, so that's not what I'm talking about.

Bandit_Keith posted...
So is it controversial and touchy, or is it civil and not inherently moddable?

Both.

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Bandit_Keith
09/13/23 4:17:35 PM
#469:


Bandit_Keith posted...
At any rate, you can easily mention the subject here without giving your opinion one way or the other so those who don't know you can at least get an idea of the type of things you claim to be referring to.


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GranAures
09/13/23 4:20:01 PM
#470:


And the mods dictated otherwise. That of course has you going on about mods "stretching the rules" with the only "proof" of this being your claims. Sounds like you have made a determination about something that you yourself say is impossible to determine.

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Inohira
09/13/23 4:24:35 PM
#471:


Someone took one for the team and posted a topic with an example. Go look at it and tell me how exactly it's "provoking users to react negatively."

It'd be great if people didn't always respond to complaints with instant disbelief. The clause is overused.

Edit: And after little over 10 minutes, the topic was deleted. See why it's impossible to discuss this stuff?

GranAures posted...
And the mods dictated otherwise. That of course has you going on about mods "stretching the rules"

Beyond what the TOS makes obvious, yes.

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Gwynevere
09/13/23 4:27:33 PM
#472:


2012 account with 107 karma

Hmmmm

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Gwynevere
09/13/23 4:32:58 PM
#474:


Inohira posted...
2010 account with 29 active posts.

Hmmmm
Seems about right for someone that posts on breaks at the rate that topics purge here

Now what happened to the last 11 years of your karma lol

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GranAures
09/13/23 4:33:02 PM
#475:


Maybe it wouldn't be if not for the usual revolving doors using it for every moderation, suspension, purg, and ban they earn.

Bet hey, we're all sure you're different. Not that the No U is helping.

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Bandit_Keith
09/13/23 4:34:17 PM
#476:


So is that who you are? You're still whining about a nercobumped topic that was closed NKL. How many topics are you going to make about that? How long are you gonna whine after getting your answers and just ignoring them and continuing this sad-ass gimmick? This shit is freaking hilarious. I'm loving it.

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Inohira
09/13/23 4:37:42 PM
#477:


Bandit_Keith posted...
So is that who you are? You're still whining about a nercobumped topic that was closed NKL. How many topics are you going to make about that? How long are you gonna whine after getting your answers and just ignoring them and continuing this sad-ass gimmick? This shit is freaking hilarious. I'm loving it.

I'm not him. I know better than to repost moderations. But it was a convenient example and honestly his post was even less controversial than the ones I'm talking about (typically about political subjects)

GranAures posted...
Maybe it wouldn't be if not for the usual revolving doors using it for every moderation, suspension, purg, and ban they earn.

Bet hey, we're all sure you're different. Not that the No U is helping.

Someone personally attacks me but I'm wrong for responding? Ridiculous.

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GranAures
09/13/23 4:37:51 PM
#478:


Oh, so that's the context that provoked coming into a random topic to cry about moderations?

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BunkerBoy
09/13/23 4:38:04 PM
#479:


Inohira posted...
We're talking about actual civil opinions that wouldn't immediately be known to be moddable just from reading the TOS.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/2/AAe283AAEvky.jpg
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Inohira
09/13/23 4:42:16 PM
#480:


BunkerBoy posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/4/2/AAe283AAEvky.jpg

The example the other guy posted in his topic had nothing to do with conservatives.

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GranAures
09/13/23 4:45:24 PM
#481:


Well then. Clearly it is because the mods just hate you.

Or, more likely, you are intentionally feeding just enough of the info to play victim.

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Kloe_Rinz
09/13/23 4:48:30 PM
#482:


So we are supposed to emphasise with conservatives getting censored for their offensive and hateful beliefs now? Just because they genuinely hate minorities?
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Inohira
09/13/23 4:50:58 PM
#483:


GranAures posted...
Well then. Clearly it is because the mods just hate you.

Or, more likely, you are intentionally feeding just enough of the info to play victim.

Not even personal if it's happening to other people.

The other guy's example is a clear-cut example of him not intentionally provoking users to react negatively. He was just seeking input on topics that had been closed.

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GranAures
09/13/23 4:51:08 PM
#484:


No, no. This is TOTALLY different.

When you ignore the lack of context, running in to cry about being moderated, trying to feed us the usual mod bias arguments and claims that everybody else should be moderated.
Not even personal
Personal enough to get you crying about it in a bid for sympathy. Maybe you can give a bit more of the mod bias jig to prove you're totally different.

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Ryangrad
09/13/23 4:53:36 PM
#485:


When someone refuses to even mention the subject they are talking about, I have no reason to believe they are being genuine and not trolling. And they'll try to ignore the actual context and talk about anything and everything else simply because if the context is made and the subject is defined, the fair; next, comes out and they can't keep dancing around. It's a good way to claim that you're being unfairly targeted.

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Inohira
09/13/23 4:57:54 PM
#486:


And just like in my other topic, it's plain on display why I don't bother providing my own examples of the issues I refer to.

Nobody's convinced even when objective examples are presented. It's just excuse after excuse.

Ryangrad posted...
When someone refuses to even mention the subject they are talking about, I have no reason to believe they are being genuine and not trolling. And they'll try to ignore the actual context and talk about anything and everything else simply because if the context is made and the subject is defined, the fair; next, comes out and they can't keep dancing around. It's a good way to claim that you're being unfairly targeted.

The topic the other guy made got modded. We are not allowed to be specific. And nobody accepts the proof anyway.

Anyway, the "fair, next" would be a lazy response in his case since he outright posted a pic of his moderation and literally nothing in it was, "provoking other users to react negatively."

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Kloe_Rinz
09/13/23 4:59:57 PM
#487:


Just like in your other topic? Where it was obviously hateful beliefs you were spouting?

And you are tripling down on you being genuinely hateful now.
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Inohira
09/13/23 5:01:47 PM
#488:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Just like in your other topic? Where it was obviously hateful beliefs you were spouting?

I spread literally no hateful beliefs in my topic about "both sides" being a valid statement when both sides are actually bad.

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GranAures
09/13/23 5:01:59 PM
#489:


Your "proof" has amounted to "just trust me" and "how about this other thread."

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Kloe_Rinz
09/13/23 5:03:29 PM
#490:


Inohira posted...
I spread literally no hateful beliefs in my topic about "both sides" being a valid statement when both sides are actually bad.
Its not valid when one side are Nazis. Not even if they are genuine about being Nazis
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StealThisSheen
09/13/23 5:04:19 PM
#491:


Inohira, if you truly believe you don't break the TOS, why are you hiding on an alt?

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Inohira
09/13/23 5:04:23 PM
#492:


GranAures posted...
Your "proof" has amounted to "just trust me" and "how about this other thread."

There is no way to meaningfully elaborate without violating the rules. It's plainly stated that violations cannot be reposted, and absent a full repost people just say, "you're leaving something out."

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Gwynevere
09/13/23 5:04:30 PM
#493:


Inohira posted...
Someone personally attacks me but I'm wrong for responding? Ridiculous.
Based on your behavior here, you're doing nothing to shake the stigma that old accounts with low karma carry. People usually only dig out old ass accounts for one reason, and it's to shit post

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GranAures
09/13/23 5:07:16 PM
#494:


Well, you are. Then you are giving the typical "I was moderated for my opinions," "mod bias," crying about being moderated, that we have seen time and time again.

You have done nothing to present as any different from any of the usual posters so why should anybody give you the benefit of the doubt that you are the exception?

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evilpresident
09/13/23 5:07:43 PM
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This topic has been a ride and a half.

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