Current Events > Stillwater prison on lockdown as about 100 inmates take over living unit

(+) Yeah! (+)

Minnesota Correctional Facility-Stillwater

Just another Day in The USA.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/video/stillwater-prison-on-lockdown-as-about-100-inmates-take-over-living-unit/

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/09/03/stillwater-correctional-facility-placed-on-lockdown

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

I'm on the prisoners side here's cripes. And people used to worry about being thrown in prison in them middle east, it's sounding third world level in our prison system.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

only if we can make trolls like you live with them.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

But you apparently think it should have the right to ban people from transitioning.

ImAMarvel posted...

Considering the conditions of the prison cells, fair, next.

The state of prisoners in America is just appalling. Our whole prison system needs a reworking.

But they are correctional facilities.
And when they get shut down, it's a damn shame.
Think of all the jobs they create...

Send in the 3rd Street Saints to clear it out. There will be no survivors!

A prison riot is one of the scariest things I can imagine being in.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

Society has a right to feel safe.

brestugo posted...

A prison riot is one of the scariest things I can imagine being in.

Better hope nobody has any beef with you.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

Uhhhh, the state is the only entity that should be able to lock people up. That's what makes it the state.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

replace them with what?

I just learned that the federal government pays prisons to force their inmates to make military weaponry.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

Um

No more guns means less violence, less prisons also means less violence like this

Questionmarktarius posted...

replace them with what?

The answer to this one should be obvious but i want to see Captain "DeSantis Did Nothing Wrong" over here break from cognitive dissonance

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I didn't click on the link yet so I am not sure in this case. But it can be like what people call a dorm. Dorms are where you have a lot of bunks in one area. So this would be at a Camp or a low.

Also sometimes it is just the unit where a number of cells are. So you might have 14 cells in housing Unit 3. 30 in housing unit 5. ect.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

In many cases it's a wing of the facility, depends on the layout. But an area of cells.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

And what alternative measures would you put in place for dealing with criminals?

mybbqrules posted...

And what alternative measures would you put in place for dealing with criminals?

Find out why we have crime. (hint, it's poverty)

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

Fuck.

No.

In fact, we could use a few more. ('-' )

Prisons are by in large immoral except in the most extreme cases and even then they are basically just concentration camps

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

44% of inmates are in jail for drug offenses.

We should probably lower that number by 75% or more.

ClayGuida posted...

Find out why we have crime. (hint, it's poverty)

there is a lot of crime due to poverty, but NOT ALL CRIME IS DUE TO POVERTY ffs. Tell me how the rapists, billionaire tax cheats and animal abusers are because poverty

Like that is seriously just a puzzling statement. Do you not think Trump should be going to jail for his crimes? That fuck definitely isnt in poverty

Look.

If people can't function nor behave among the rest of society then they don't need to be around us.

Off to jail/prison they go. Good riddance.

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

This is an insane take. I think vastly less people should be in prison and we need a far more humane system focused on rehabilitation and education...

But what the fuck do you do with serial killers, child rapists, nazis and CEOs?

Does this happen often?

Priere posted...

Abolish all prisons.

The state shouldnt have the right to lock humans in cages. Its barbaric.

Abolish all for-profit prisons.

Corporations shouldn't have the right to lock humans in cages. That's barbaric.

ClayGuida posted...

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

44% of inmates are in jail for drug offenses.

We should probably lower that number by 75% or more.

My phone refuses to open that, and I don't know why. Then again, it won't download anything, either. (I need a new mobile browser.)

Can you tell me, of those drug offenses, how many are non-violent? Like, just possession charges? Those are definitely the people who don't belong there--the ones who were thrown in for just having personal use amounts.

DnDer posted...

My phone refuses to open that, and I don't know why. Then again, it won't download anything, either. (I need a new mobile browser.)

Can you tell me, of those drug offenses, how many are non-violent? Like, just possession charges? Those are definitely the people who don't belong there--the ones who were thrown in for just having personal use amounts.

The chart only gives all drug offenses, does not separate between violent and non violent

DnDer posted...

My phone refuses to open that, and I don't know why. Then again, it won't download anything, either. (I need a new mobile browser.)

Can you tell me, of those drug offenses, how many are non-violent? Like, just possession charges? Those are definitely the people who don't belong there--the ones who were thrown in for just having personal use amounts.

Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement 1880 .1%
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses 7,257 4.9%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 2420 .2%
Courts or Corrections 5960 .4%
Drug Offenses 65,515 44.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6,316 4.3%
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses 4,776 3.2%
Immigration 7,475 5.1%
Miscellaneous 819 0.6%
National Security 40 0.0%
Robbery 3,956 2.7%
Sex Offenses18,032 12.2%
Weapons, Explosives, Arson 32,127 21.8%

Think that's the best I could get, c/p made it a nightmare.

It would be nice to get rid of prisons but I don't have a viable alternative suggestion.

ClayGuida posted...

Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement 1880 .1%
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses 7,257 4.9%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 2420 .2%
Courts or Corrections 5960 .4%
Drug Offenses 65,515 44.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6,316 4.3%
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses 4,776 3.2%
Immigration 7,475 5.1%
Miscellaneous 819 0.6%
National Security 40 0.0%
Robbery 3,956 2.7%
Sex Offenses18,032 12.2%
Weapons, Explosives, Arson 32,127 21.8%

Think that's the best I could get, c/p made it a nightmare.

Biggest chunk by far, definitely sad and could so easily be fixed with decriminalization reducing at least a quarter of the population. Also, second biggest number is over 20% for Weapons, Explosives, Arson? Damn...

im insanely confused about some of the rhetoric in this topic. While for profit prisons are abominable and the system needs to be restructured, just hand waving all prisons away is not an answer, as some people DO NOT need to be freely roaming the streets.

As i stated in a post above, while poverty contributes to a lot of crime, claiming that ALL crime is due to poverty is insane, and a man shoplifting so he doesnt starve cannot be rationally compared to someone who rapes just because he feels like it.

Saints Row?

ClayGuida posted...

I just learned that the federal government pays prisons to force their inmates to make military weaponry.

Well if they can't kill or be killed in senseless wars they have to do something.
You have to be practical in these matters.
Remember, Freedom isn't free.
Slave Wages can be enough.

ClayGuida posted...

Weapons, Explosives, Arson 32,127 21.8%

That number seems awfully high for those types of crime.
Can't believe those crimes are really that common.

On the other hand

Robbery 3,956 2.7%

Thought robbery would be much higher.

indica posted...

Biggest chunk by far, definitely sad and could so easily be fixed with decriminalization reducing at least a quarter of the population. Also, second biggest number is over 20% for Weapons, Explosives, Arson? Damn...

Requiem posted...

That number seems awfully high for those types of crime.
Can't believe those crimes are really that common.

On the other hand

Thought robbery would be much higher.

Felons cant own guns. Pull one over on a traffic stop and they have a gun, back they go.

ClayGuida posted...

Find out why we have crime. (hint, it's poverty)

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

im insanely confused about some of the rhetoric in this topic. While for profit prisons are abominable and the system needs to be restructured, just hand waving all prisons away is not an answer, as some people DO NOT need to be freely roaming the streets.

As i stated in a post above, while poverty contributes to a lot of crime, claiming that ALL crime is due to poverty is insane, and a man shoplifting so he doesnt starve cannot be rationally compared to someone who rapes just because he feels like it.

Poverty and untreated mental health issues.

And lots of people dont understand the purpose of prison. Its a time out to protect society from antisocial behaviour and to attempt to rehabilitate the offender.

Massive prison reform is necessary because its not doing a good job of the latter, especially in the US. More prisons need to be like Karnet Prison Farm in Western Australia. Its relatively comfortable, theres plenty of paid work, and people rarely misbehave because the other prisons are far less desirable. Its a privilege of sorts to be there.

Also you dont spend every minute of every day in a cell (cage). Most of the time youre out in the (prison) community. I dont know what its like in the US but weve got it pretty good in Australia.

So yeah. Dont abolish prison but huge reforms are needed at all levels of the justice system. And people need to get over this fascist good riddance mentality (displayed in this very topic, but admittedly by a shitposter).

It should take a very strong and clearly unethical offence that cant be chalked up to poverty or mental health (e.g. people who are already rich embezzling more money or knowingly covering up sexual abuse in their company) coupled with a clearly remorseless attitude to warrant prison time.

ClayGuida posted...

Banking and Insurance, Counterfeit, Embezzlement 1880 .1%
Burglary, Larceny, Property Offenses 7,257 4.9%
Continuing Criminal Enterprise 2420 .2%
Courts or Corrections 5960 .4%
Drug Offenses 65,515 44.5%
Extortion, Fraud, Bribery 6,316 4.3%
Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses 4,776 3.2%
Immigration 7,475 5.1%
Miscellaneous 819 0.6%
National Security 40 0.0%
Robbery 3,956 2.7%
Sex Offenses18,032 12.2%
Weapons, Explosives, Arson 32,127 21.8%

Think that's the best I could get, c/p made it a nightmare.

another number worth mentioning, over 400,000 people locked up in city/county jails awaiting trial, with no convictions, because they can't afford bail.

PMarth2002 posted...

another number worth mentioning, over 400,000 people locked up in city/county jails awaiting trial, with no convictions, because they can't afford bail.

Innocent until proven not to have enough money.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

im insanely confused about some of the rhetoric in this topic. While for profit prisons are abominable and the system needs to be restructured, just hand waving all prisons away is not an answer, as some people DO NOT need to be freely roaming the streets.

As i stated in a post above, while poverty contributes to a lot of crime, claiming that ALL crime is due to poverty is insane, and a man shoplifting so he doesnt starve cannot be rationally compared to someone who rapes just because he feels like it.

Obviously, but the prison industrial complex largely treats these people the same. I'm always astounded when prison abolishment comes up and everyone always goes "what about murderers and rapists?" Like, you are talking about a fraction of the people we put in prison. For most other things you at least tacitly agree that there are better ways to handle this.

If we have less people in prison, we can build nicer containment units for the rest so that the prison isn't so inherently dangerous for everyone. The issue isn't just "we are putting too many people in prison" but also "we are literally torturing people and creating dangerous situations for everyone, guards included and exacerbating problems when they get out"

It's not a matter of too many criminals, but too many crimes.
Too much shit is illegal in America, and we're supposed to be the freest nation.

Questionmarktarius posted...

It's not a matter of too many criminals, but too many crimes.
Too much shit is illegal in America, and we're supposed to be the freest nation.

Yeah, its incredibly obvious that the US is quite fascist. Police have no accountability and get away with things that wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else (its literally built into their training), prosecutors stack charges to a ridiculous extent, and judges hand out insane sentences for things that shouldnt be illegal to begin with (and even if they should, warrant mental health treatment rather than confinement).

And you have a large portion of the public actively cheering this all on, because theyre spiteful and misguided. Meanwhile the mental health professionals who actually work with offenders are underfunded and understaffed despite being the only people in the entire system who actually give a shit about salvaging them as people.

Dark_Arbron posted...

Yeah, its incredibly obvious that the US is quite fascist.

It's not "fascist", but as a catastrophic interpretation of "federalist".

Requiem posted...

That number seems awfully high for those types of crime.
Can't believe those crimes are really that common.

On the other hand

Thought robbery would be much higher.

Think like 80% go unsolved or some shit. Which is odd in cases of breaking and entering cause 80% of the time its someone you know. Someone who's been in your house and knows what you have and where you keep it.

Yeah, its incredibly obvious that the US is quite fascist. Police have no accountability and get away with things that wouldnt be tolerated anywhere else (its literally built into their training), prosecutors stack charges to a ridiculous extent, and judges hand out insane sentences for things that shouldnt be illegal to begin with (and even if they should, warrant mental health treatment rather than confinement).

And to the credit of some judges, they don't even have a choice but to send them to prison for a time. Like a fucking dime bag of cocaine is considered an intent to sell and oops, that's minimum 5 years, fuck you go to jail.

It is fucking absurd how many things are prisonable offenses where a nominal fine, confiscation of goods and community service would be sufficient.

That is ignoring why people do these things and the largely systemic issues that create these types of people AND that isn't even talking about the fucking racial component. Fun fact, draconian drug laws exist to enslave black people. Shocker of all shockers.