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Toonstrack 09/01/23 11:47:57 AM #151:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Cool, now that that's out of the way, we can avoid the moral arguments and instead use legally relevant arguments going forward. Right? Riiiiggghhhttt? The thing is for torgo they are one and the same. And they shouldn't be. . --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:975794671] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite><quote>Cool, now that that's out of the way, we can avoid the moral arguments and instead use legally relevant arguments going forward. Right? Riiiiggghhhttt?</quote>The thing is for torgo they are one and the same.And they shouldn't be.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 11:48:02 AM #152:	Rexdragon125 posted... Do we have to break out the photos of him hanging out with Proud Boys? Or the recording he made of himself stating he wanted to kill protesters? "But those facts don't align with the narrative I want to push, even though those facts are the reasons I admire and defend Rittenhouse to begin with... so I'll regurgitate back the term 'misinformation' improperly, as is my duty to always incorrectly project such terms as a right winger." --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975794672] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>Do we have to break out the photos of him hanging out with Proud Boys? Or the recording he made of himself stating he wanted to kill protesters?</quote>"But those facts don't align with the narrative I want to push, even though those facts are the reasons I admire and defend Rittenhouse to begin with... so I'll regurgitate back the term 'misinformation' improperly, as is my duty to always incorrectly project such terms as a right winger." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 11:49:45 AM #153:	Toonstrack posted... The thing is for torgo they are one and the same. And they shouldn't be. . I dare you to attempt to explain this... but know that I will dismantle your fallacious arguments piece by piece. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975794710] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>The thing is for torgo they are one and the same.And they shouldn't be..</quote>I dare you to attempt to explain this... but know that I will dismantle your fallacious arguments piece by piece. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 09/01/23 11:50:34 AM #154:	Sure, I'll explain for those that actually care about what the trial established. Not a single witness came forward to state he was threatening anybody nor did anybody claim that they felt threatened since tons of people had guns there and it's an open carry state. Most of the witnesses that were called, by the prosecution no less, testified that he was either walking around or providing aid to protestors. Rittenhouse was attacked while off on his own bothering no one after hours of being there. His crime was putting out a trash can fire that Rosenblum had started near a gas station. Pretty normal thing to put out. Rosenbaum was a white guy just like him, who lived even further than Rittenhouse, had no connections to the area and was instructed by the doctor to go home immediately. Instead he decided to go downtown and start fires, trash things and threaten to kill people, all after a suicide attempt. It's clear he came looking to start shit and successfully did. Even when Rosenbaum started chasing Rittenhouse, all Rittenhouse kept screaming was "friendly". He ran every time, when he could have shot Rosenbaum immediately instead of risking it by running and getting cornered. Even after, he only shot people attacking or trying to attack him. He could have just started shooting everybody coming at him if his intent was to just kill people. It was pretty clear from the trial that this was an idiot trying to play first responder and not some fucking 17 year old master manipulator that was going around trying to help protestors, hoping someone would eventually chase and corner him, so he could play out some "murder fantasy". He could have easily played out his fantasy in much easier and way less riskier ways. Linking a high school fight where he jumped in for his sister and him seeing shoplifters with guns and going "I'd shoot them" to his friend are way too long of reaches that would open up so much abuse and is the exact type of shit historically used to lock up minorities. Propensity evidence like that is always inadmissable in court, so it's not some conspiracy theory that it was inadmissable here too. If he just showed up, immediately started shit and shot someone, it would be a different story. But he spent all day in Kenosha and hours in that protest area helping the protestors everybody claims he wanted to kill. The whole thing started because some crazy guy who wasn't even a protestor literally got mad his fire was put out. Is Rittenhouse a piece of shit now, especially because of his social media presence and his affiliations to the right? Sure. One can see that and also look at the events of that night objectively. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:975794718] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Sure, I'll explain for those that actually care about what the trial established. Not a single witness came forward to state he was threatening anybody nor did anybody claim that they felt threatened since tons of people had guns there and it's an open carry state. Most of the witnesses that were called, by the prosecution no less, testified that he was either walking around or providing aid to protestors. Rittenhouse was attacked while off on his own bothering no one after hours of being there. His crime was putting out a trash can fire that Rosenblum had started near a gas station. Pretty normal thing to put out. Rosenbaum was a white guy just like him, who lived even further than Rittenhouse, had no connections to the area and was instructed by the doctor to go home immediately. Instead he decided to go downtown and start fires, trash things and threaten to kill people, all after a suicide attempt. It's clear he came looking to start shit and successfully did.Even when Rosenbaum started chasing Rittenhouse, all Rittenhouse kept screaming was "friendly". He ran every time, when he could have shot Rosenbaum immediately instead of risking it by running and getting cornered. Even after, he only shot people attacking or trying to attack him. He could have just started shooting everybody coming at him if his intent was to just kill people.It was pretty clear from the trial that this was an idiot trying to play first responder and not some fucking 17 year old master manipulator that was going around trying to help protestors, hoping someone would eventually chase and corner him, so he could play out some "murder fantasy". He could have easily played out his fantasy in much easier and way less riskier ways. Linking a high school fight where he jumped in for his sister and him seeing shoplifters with guns and going "I'd shoot them" to his friend are way too long of reaches that would open up so much abuse and is the exact type of shit historically used to lock up minorities. Propensity evidence like that is always inadmissable in court, so it's not some conspiracy theory that it was inadmissable here too.If he just showed up, immediately started shit and shot someone, it would be a different story. But he spent all day in Kenosha and hours in that protest area helping the protestors everybody claims he wanted to kill. The whole thing started because some crazy guy who wasn't even a protestor literally got mad his fire was put out.Is Rittenhouse a piece of shit now, especially because of his social media presence and his affiliations to the right? Sure. One can see that and also look at the events of that night objectively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 09/01/23 11:52:28 AM #155:	Man you guys sure love this kid. --- Is this reverse psychology? And if I ask, will you lie to me? <cite>Cocytus posted [p:975794757] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Man you guys sure love this kid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 09/01/23 11:53:06 AM #156:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Nobody in this topic is arguing that Rittenhouse isn't a shitty person, guy. You have demonstrated through this topic a juvenile inability to separate moral assessments from criminality, and seem to be ignorant of many fundamental and critical aspects to a functioning legal system. Kyle Rittenhouse could be the reincarnation of Hitler and he would still be afforded the same rights and legal protections as anyone else. Those protections are codified in law, meaning we have statutes that specifically outline, in few uncertain terms, what those protections are, what their limits are, and the scenarios by which you lose those protections. If you are going to make a legalistic argument then your argument must pertain to those specific statutes and the superstructure that is common law. If you are going to make a moral argument then you can use whatever evidence you believe is convincing enough. What you cannot do is use a moral argument to reach a legalistic conclusion. That is just pure ignorance and utterly dangerous behavior--You would surely agree if your perceived moral opposition, let's say the GOP, tried to do the same. Let's say they tried to argue that it's immoral to get an abortion, and thus abortion access should be denied to everybody despite decades of legal precedence and obviously beneficial social policy. That would be a dumb way to approach the world, yes? If you want to argue that Rittenhouse is a shitty person then go ahead. I legitimately don't think anyone in this topic would disagree. Actually, let's test that: Does any participant in this topic think Rittenhouse is of even vaguely moral character? If yes, please respond! Cool, now that that's out of the way, we can avoid the moral arguments and instead use legally relevant arguments going forward. Right? Riiiiggghhhttt? you do know that legally, or, to make it clear, legalistically self defense doesnt apply if the person put him/herself at the risk, and/or provoked it, right? <cite>the_pika posted [p:975794771] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite><quote>Nobody in this topic is arguing that Rittenhouse isn't a shitty person, guy. You have demonstrated through this topic a juvenile inability to separate moral assessments from criminality, and seem to be ignorant of many fundamental and critical aspects to a functioning legal system. Kyle Rittenhouse could be the reincarnation of Hitler and he would still be afforded the same rights and legal protections as anyone else. Those protections are codified in law, meaning we have statutes that specifically outline, in few uncertain terms, what those protections are, what their limits are, and the scenarios by which you lose those protections. If you are going to make a legalistic argument then your argument must pertain to those specific statutes and the superstructure that is common law. If you are going to make a moral argument then you can use whatever evidence you believe is convincing enough. What you cannot do is use a moral argument to reach a legalistic conclusion. That is just pure ignorance and utterly dangerous behavior--You would surely agree if your perceived moral opposition, let's say the GOP, tried to do the same. Let's say they tried to argue that it's immoral to get an abortion, and thus abortion access should be denied to everybody despite decades of legal precedence and obviously beneficial social policy. That would be a dumb way to approach the world, yes? If you want to argue that Rittenhouse is a shitty person then go ahead. I legitimately don't think anyone in this topic would disagree. Actually, let's test that:Does any participant in this topic think Rittenhouse is of even vaguely moral character? If yes, please respond!Cool, now that that's out of the way, we can avoid the moral arguments and instead use legally relevant arguments going forward. Right? Riiiiggghhhttt?</quote>you do know that legally, or, to make it clear, legalistically self defense doesnt apply if the person put him/herself at the risk, and/or provoked it, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 11:55:45 AM #157:	InfinityMonster posted... If he just showed up, immediately started shit and shot someone, it would be a different story. But he spent all day in Kenosha and hours in that protest area helping the protestors everybody claims he wanted to kill. Helping the protesters? You mean lying about being an EMT and trying to get in good with the cops before he went off with his rifle at the ready in order to harass and threaten the protesters he openly said he wanted to kill? --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975794827] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite><quote>If he just showed up, immediately started shit and shot someone, it would be a different story. But he spent all day in Kenosha and hours in that protest area helping the protestors everybody claims he wanted to kill.</quote>Helping the protesters? You mean lying about being an EMT and trying to get in good with the cops before he went off with his rifle at the ready in order to harass and threaten the protesters he openly said he wanted to kill? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 09/01/23 11:58:04 AM #158:	Didn't you see him cry in court? You still don't believe him? lol --- Is this reverse psychology? And if I ask, will you lie to me? <cite>Cocytus posted [p:975794868] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Didn't you see him cry in court? You still don't believe him? lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 09/01/23 11:58:05 AM #159:	Torgo posted... Helping the protesters? You mean lying about being an EMT and trying to get in good with the cops before he went off with his rifle at the ready in order to harass and threaten the protesters he openly said he wanted to kill? Yes, multiple witnesses testified he was helping protestors and is even on video doing it and giving an interview. The trial established that he never harassed anybody or threatened any of them. It's like you didn't read any of my post and just repeating yourself. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:975794869] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>Helping the protesters? You mean lying about being an EMT and trying to get in good with the cops before he went off with his rifle at the ready in order to harass and threaten the protesters he openly said he wanted to kill?</quote>Yes, multiple witnesses testified he was helping protestors and is even on video doing it and giving an interview. The trial established that he never harassed anybody or threatened any of them. It's like you didn't read any of my post and just repeating yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 09/01/23 12:03:18 PM #160:	InfinityMonster posted... Yes, multiple witnesses testified he was helping protestors and is even on video doing it and giving an interview. The trial established that he never harassed anybody or threatened any of them. It's like you didn't read any of my post and just repeating yourself. Torgo doesn't care about witness testimony. He doesn't like Rittenhouse, so he HAS to he guilty, every other bit of reality can he molded snd rearranged to reach the necessary conclusion of guilty --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:975794970] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite><quote>Yes, multiple witnesses testified he was helping protestors and is even on video doing it and giving an interview. The trial established that he never harassed anybody or threatened any of them. It's like you didn't read any of my post and just repeating yourself.</quote>Torgo doesn't care about witness testimony. He doesn't like Rittenhouse, so he HAS to he guilty, every other bit of reality can he molded snd rearranged to reach the necessary conclusion of guilty </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ellis123 09/01/23 12:09:53 PM #162:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] It depends on what you mean. There is the "it's Naruto, but with Trump" angle and the "this is Naruto, but told through the lens of someone who embodies MAGA ideals." --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:975795100] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> It depends on what you mean. There is the "it's Naruto, but with Trump" angle and the "this is Naruto, but told through the lens of someone who embodies MAGA ideals." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 09/01/23 12:11:54 PM #163:	ellis123 posted... It depends on what you mean. There is the "it's Naruto, but with Trump" angle and the "this is Naruto, but told through the lens of someone who embodies MAGA ideals." There's also: Sasuke just wants to get railed by the love of his life. Donald Trump just want to get some ass. Everyone wins. And the one where Trump nukes Hogwarts and Harry Potter, Sonic, Naruto, and Goku team up to fight him. With Edward and Ash https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12853459/1/Harry-Potter-Fights-the-Evil-Racist-Sexist-Donald-Trump <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:975795132] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>ellis123 posted... </cite><quote>It depends on what you mean. There is the "it's Naruto, but with Trump" angle and the "this is Naruto, but told through the lens of someone who embodies MAGA ideals."</quote>There's also:<quote>Sasuke just wants to get railed by the love of his life.Donald Trump just want to get some ass.Everyone wins.</quote>And the one where Trump nukes Hogwarts and Harry Potter, Sonic, Naruto, and Goku team up to fight him. With Edward and Ash https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12853459/1/Harry-Potter-Fights-the-Evil-Racist-Sexist-Donald-Trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 12:12:38 PM #164:	the_pika posted... you do know that legally, or, to make it clear, legalistically self defense doesnt apply if the person put him/herself at the risk, and/or provoked it, right? I am aware, and this was addressed in abundant detail in the trial. I am actually acutely aware of the State's statute in question because of that. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975795147] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>you do know that legally, or, to make it clear, legalistically self defense doesnt apply if the person put him/herself at the risk, and/or provoked it, right?</quote>I am aware, and this was addressed in abundant detail in the trial. I am actually acutely aware of the State's statute in question because of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gikos 09/01/23 12:19:19 PM #165:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llci8MVh8J4 this lady nails the issue and the shity take people try to maar the protesters and making thme as the same as the looters --- "You can pretend to be serious; you can't pretend to be witty." - Sacha Guitry (1885-1957) <cite>gikos posted [p:975795268] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llci8MVh8J4this lady nails the issue and the shity take people try to maar the protesters and making thme as the same as the looters </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 12:23:26 PM #167:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] It's true. It's like if one of us tried to write "The Room", it just wouldn't work because it wouldn't have the necessary sincerity. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975795338] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> It's true. It's like if one of us tried to write "The Room", it just wouldn't work because it wouldn't have the necessary sincerity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 09/01/23 12:24:27 PM #168:	BunkerBoy posted... Yeah, but do you at least agree he recklessly put himself in a situation where self defense was required? Because of that, I don't see a problem with the families of the people he killed going after him Yeah he was stupid for being there. Not "deserves to let himself be murdered" stupid, but i'm 100% fine with letting civil suits play out --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:975795363] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>BunkerBoy posted...</cite><quote>Yeah, but do you at least agree he recklessly put himself in a situation where self defense was required? Because of that, I don't see a problem with the families of the people he killed going after him </quote>Yeah he was stupid for being there.Not "deserves to let himself be murdered" stupid, but i'm 100% fine with letting civil suits play out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 12:26:31 PM #169:	Toonstrack posted... Torgo doesn't care about witness testimony. He doesn't like Rittenhouse, so he HAS to he guilty, every other bit of reality can he molded snd rearranged to reach the necessary conclusion of guilty Too easy... more ad hominem attacks. Lol - of course I don't like Kyle Rittenhouse! - Am I supposed to like a white nationalist that ended up killing two people, and then went on to use his fame from the trial to do a "cancel culture" grift where he took money and threatened to sue people that criticized him? The problem seems to be that you love this shitty rat that got away with murder because of a poor prosecution and a nakedly biased judge. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975795401] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Torgo doesn't care about witness testimony. He doesn't like Rittenhouse, so he HAS to he guilty, every other bit of reality can he molded snd rearranged to reach the necessary conclusion of guilty</quote>Too easy... more ad hominem attacks.Lol - of course I don't like Kyle Rittenhouse! - Am I supposed to like a white nationalist that ended up killing two people, and then went on to use his fame from the trial to do a "cancel culture" grift where he took money and threatened to sue people that criticized him?The problem seems to be that you love this shitty rat that got away with murder because of a poor prosecution and a nakedly biased judge. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/01/23 12:27:45 PM #170:	the_pika posted... you do know that legally, or, to make it clear, legalistically self defense doesnt apply if the person put him/herself at the risk, and/or provoked it, right? Is the implication here that Rosenbaum was a dangerous individual and that Ritenhouse can't claim self defense because he interacted with him? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:975795423] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>you do know that legally, or, to make it clear, legalistically self defense doesnt apply if the person put him/herself at the risk, and/or provoked it, right?</quote>Is the implication here that Rosenbaum was a dangerous individual and that Ritenhouse can't claim self defense because he interacted with him? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 12:28:05 PM #171:	g980 posted... Not "deserves to let himself be murdered" stupid, but i'm 100% fine with letting civil suits play out Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975795435] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite><quote>Not "deserves to let himself be murdered" stupid, but i'm 100% fine with letting civil suits play out</quote>Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalpaisLegate 09/01/23 12:32:15 PM #172:	Torgo posted... Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there. There is no evidence he antagonized any of the 3 people in question, in fact, we know that Rosenbaum had been antagonizing him for hours. But if you have a good source to back up this claim such as AP or Reuters, feel free to post it, or if you already did so, direct me to the post. --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1046-the-refuge-of-the-damned <cite>MalpaisLegate posted [p:975795521] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there.</quote> There is no evidence he antagonized any of the 3 people in question, in fact, we know that Rosenbaum had been antagonizing him for hours. But if you have a good source to back up this claim such as AP or Reuters, feel free to post it, or if you already did so, direct me to the post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 09/01/23 12:32:54 PM #173:	Toonstrack posted... Torgo doesn't care about witness testimony. He doesn't like Rittenhouse, so he HAS to he guilty, every other bit of reality can he molded snd rearranged to reach the necessary conclusion of guilty Seems like it, since he's now literally making shit up. Torgo posted... a nakedly biased judge. There was nothing biased about him and several lawyers have spoken about this is in length. You clearly don't know how anything works. Torgo posted... Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there. This is a straight up lie. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:975795534] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Torgo doesn't care about witness testimony. He doesn't like Rittenhouse, so he HAS to he guilty, every other bit of reality can he molded snd rearranged to reach the necessary conclusion of guilty</quote>Seems like it, since he's now literally making shit up.Torgo posted... </cite><quote>a nakedly biased judge.</quote>There was nothing biased about him and several lawyers have spoken about this is in length. You clearly don't know how anything works.Torgo posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there.</quote>This is a straight up lie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 12:34:09 PM #174:	MalpaisLegate posted... There is no evidence he antagonized any of the 3 people in question, in fact, we know that Rosenbaum had been antagonizing him for hours. The dead ones certainly can't testify... --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975795558] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>MalpaisLegate posted... </cite><quote>There is no evidence he antagonized any of the 3 people in question, in fact, we know that Rosenbaum had been antagonizing him for hours.</quote>The dead ones certainly can't testify... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 09/01/23 12:37:28 PM #175:	Pogo_Marimo posted... I am aware, and this was addressed in abundant detail in the trial. I am actually acutely aware of the State's statute in question because of that. you do know that the fact that a court ruled in a specific way doesnt mean the legal argument is over, for conversation purposes, right? sure, the court decision sets the legal effects, but it doesnt change what happened. When the law said that slaves were 3/5ths of a man, or that certain people werent real people, was that actually (not legally) true? <cite>the_pika posted [p:975795625] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite><quote>I am aware, and this was addressed in abundant detail in the trial. I am actually acutely aware of the State's statute in question because of that.</quote>you do know that the fact that a court ruled in a specific way doesnt mean the legal argument is over, for conversation purposes, right?sure, the court decision sets the legal effects, but it doesnt change what happened. When the law said that slaves were 3/5ths of a man, or that certain people werent real people, was that actually (not legally) true?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 12:37:31 PM #176:	MalpaisLegate posted... There is no evidence he antagonized any of the 3 people in question, in fact, we know that Rosenbaum had been antagonizing him for hours. Also: where are the precious Kyle defenders from earlier in the topic saying the people who got shot or confronted should have run away and told the cops? If Rosenbaum were harassing Kyle for hours, and he is such a precious saintly lad, why didn't he go tell his police buddies? --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975795629] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>MalpaisLegate posted... </cite><quote>There is no evidence he antagonized any of the 3 people in question, in fact, we know that Rosenbaum had been antagonizing him for hours.</quote>Also: where are the precious Kyle defenders from earlier in the topic saying the people who got shot or confronted should have run away and told the cops?If Rosenbaum were harassing Kyle for hours, and he is such a precious saintly lad, why didn't he go tell his police buddies? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 12:41:15 PM #177:	Torgo posted... Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there. Did Rittenhouse confront and antagonize Rosenbaum specifically and with immediacy to the point where Rosenbaum had a reasonable fear for his life? If so, then that evidence should be available from the trial. Then, prior to the fatal shooting, did Rittenhouse not in good faith withdraw from the fight and give adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant? If not, then the evidence should be available from the trial. (2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows: (a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant. (b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant. If you've met these two requirements as I described then you have a sound legal argument. Post the evidence from the trial and we can talk about it. Otherwise all you're doing is grandstanding and wanking about. Does that sound like hard work, and you won't do it because it takes a lot of effort? Yes, fucking obviously, law is difficult and complex. People who have engaged with this case on a level greater than "I'm looking for reasons why Rittenhouse should be in jail" are already abundantly aware of that. If you're not willing to put in this comparatively trivial amount of effort to prove your argument then you have only proven yourself to be a bad faith actor. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975795716] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, that's for the people he confronted and antagonized while brandishing a deadly weapon... after declaring on social media that he wanted to kill the sort of people he might find there.</quote>Did Rittenhouse confront and antagonize Rosenbaum specifically and with immediacy to the point where Rosenbaum had a reasonable fear for his life? If so, then that evidence should be available from the trial. Then, prior to the fatal shooting, did Rittenhouse not in good faith withdraw from the fight and give adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant? If not, then the evidence should be available from the trial.(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.If you've met these two requirements as I described then you have a sound legal argument. Post the evidence from the trial and we can talk about it. Otherwise all you're doing is grandstanding and wanking about. Does that sound like hard work, and you won't do it because it takes a lot of effort? Yes, fucking obviously, law is difficult and complex. People who have engaged with this case on a level greater than "I'm looking for reasons why Rittenhouse should be in jail" are already abundantly aware of that. If you're not willing to put in this comparatively trivial amount of effort to prove your argument then you have only proven yourself to be a bad faith actor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 12:47:33 PM #178:	You know what's going to be really hilarious? Watching these ardent defenders of the righteousness and infallibility of the justice system when it comes to acquitting people like Kyle Rittenhouse turn into conspiracy theorists and critics of an unjust "deep state" system if and when Trump and his criminal enterprise are found guilty of the various crimes he's been indicted for. --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975795851] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>You know what's going to be really hilarious?Watching these ardent defenders of the righteousness and infallibility of the justice system when it comes to acquitting people like Kyle Rittenhouse turn into conspiracy theorists and critics of an unjust "deep state" system if and when Trump and his criminal enterprise are found guilty of the various crimes he's been indicted for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 09/01/23 12:48:07 PM #179:	InfinityMonster posted... This is a straight up lie. Gonna ignore this post then? Rittenhouse can be heard saying I wish I had my (expletive) AR Prosecutors want permission to use this video as evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse had vigilante intentions. https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/crime/2021/08/19/rittenhouse-can-heard-saying-wish-had-my-expletive-ar/8188781002/ <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:975795865] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite><quote>This is a straight up lie.</quote>Gonna ignore this post then?Rittenhouse can be heard saying I wish I had my (expletive) ARProsecutors want permission to use this video as evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse had vigilante intentions.https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/crime/2021/08/19/rittenhouse-can-heard-saying-wish-had-my-expletive-ar/8188781002/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LazyLounge 09/01/23 12:48:44 PM #180:	Damn, I just remembered that I called him Shittenhouse. Good times, past me. --- The only user brave enough to turn into a skeleton while being electrocuted. <cite>LazyLounge posted [p:975795876] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Damn, I just remembered that I called him Shittenhouse. Good times, past me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 09/01/23 12:50:13 PM #181:	Rexdragon125 posted... Gonna ignore this post then? Rittenhouse can be heard saying I wish I had my (expletive) AR Prosecutors want permission to use this video as evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse had vigilante intentions. https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/crime/2021/08/19/rittenhouse-can-heard-saying-wish-had-my-expletive-ar/8188781002/ No no no, that was the most fairest judge in all the land, judges are only unfair when they aren't completely biased in favor of white supremacy! --- If what you believe is truthful and just, you shouldn't have to posture as someone or something else. <cite>Torgo posted [p:975795901] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>Gonna ignore this post then?Rittenhouse can be heard saying I wish I had my (expletive) ARProsecutors want permission to use this video as evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse had vigilante intentions.https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/crime/2021/08/19/rittenhouse-can-heard-saying-wish-had-my-expletive-ar/8188781002/</quote>No no no, that was the most fairest judge in all the land, judges are only unfair when they aren't completely biased in favor of white supremacy! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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InfinityMonster 09/01/23 12:53:36 PM #183:	Rexdragon125 posted... Gonna ignore this post then? Rittenhouse can be heard saying I wish I had my (expletive) AR Prosecutors want permission to use this video as evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse had vigilante intentions. https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/crime/2021/08/19/rittenhouse-can-heard-saying-wish-had-my-expletive-ar/8188781002/ I addressed the thing in your post already in my long post above. Torgo posted... No no no, that was the most fairest judge in all the land, judges are only unfair when they aren't completely biased in favor of white supremacy! You've already proven you're arguing in bad faith by straight up lying, but you should still listen to LegalEagle all this since low information people should be educated on how the justice system actually works when they're making a fool of themselves. https://youtu.be/NxoYNpBMaCg?si=C2_U_YcmLGiK6efc --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:975795953] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>Gonna ignore this post then?Rittenhouse can be heard saying I wish I had my (expletive) ARProsecutors want permission to use this video as evidence that Kyle Rittenhouse had vigilante intentions.https://www.jsonline.com/videos/news/crime/2021/08/19/rittenhouse-can-heard-saying-wish-had-my-expletive-ar/8188781002/</quote>I addressed the thing in your post already in my long post above.Torgo posted... </cite><quote>No no no, that was the most fairest judge in all the land, judges are only unfair when they aren't completely biased in favor of white supremacy!</quote>You've already proven you're arguing in bad faith by straight up lying, but you should still listen to LegalEagle all this since low information people should be educated on how the justice system actually works when they're making a fool of themselves.https://youtu.be/NxoYNpBMaCg?si=C2_U_YcmLGiK6efc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 12:57:06 PM #184:	the_pika posted... you do know that the fact that a court ruled in a specific way doesnt mean the legal argument is over, for conversation purposes, right? sure, the court decision sets the legal effects, but it doesnt change what happened. When the law said that slaves were 3/5ths of a man, or that certain people werent real people, was that actually (not legally) true? The court has set a legal precedent regarding the ruling. You can certainly make a counter-argument to the courts ruling, but you haven't. You just said "nuh uh! Look it up!" as if I haven't already looked it up and watched the arguments made (and ruled on) in court. Make an actual argument if you disagree. Don't spit out some condescending argument simplifying what is a complex set of guidelines and pretend like you've rebutted me. I've read the statutes. I was the person on this board explaining in painful details what the statutes meant to a board that wasn't willing to understand what I explained. Then the court verified my interpretation of the statutes through the trial. This wasn't some feat of genius on my part. The statutes are pretty clear and obvious for anyone with an understanding of the law. The prosecution had things they had to prove in order for the self-defense statute not to apply. They failed to do that, and the evidence introduced during the trial made it abundantly clear why. That is to say, the ground footage of the foot chase, drone footage of the foot chase, audio recordings of Kyle trying to deescalate the situation, and witness testimony of the situation. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975796029] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>you do know that the fact that a court ruled in a specific way doesnt mean the legal argument is over, for conversation purposes, right?sure, the court decision sets the legal effects, but it doesnt change what happened. When the law said that slaves were 3/5ths of a man, or that certain people werent real people, was that actually (not legally) true?</quote>The court has set a legal precedent regarding the ruling. You can certainly make a counter-argument to the courts ruling, but you haven't. You just said "nuh uh! Look it up!" as if I haven't already looked it up and watched the arguments made (and ruled on) in court. Make an actual argument if you disagree. Don't spit out some condescending argument simplifying what is a complex set of guidelines and pretend like you've rebutted me. I've read the statutes. I was the person on this board explaining in painful details what the statutes meant to a board that wasn't willing to understand what I explained. Then the court verified my interpretation of the statutes through the trial. This wasn't some feat of genius on my part. The statutes are pretty clear and obvious for anyone with an understanding of the law. The prosecution had things they had to prove in order for the self-defense statute not to apply. They failed to do that, and the evidence introduced during the trial made it abundantly clear why. That is to say, the ground footage of the foot chase, drone footage of the foot chase, audio recordings of Kyle trying to deescalate the situation, and witness testimony of the situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tenlaar 09/01/23 1:27:30 PM #185:	CoyoteTheGreat posted... There isn't one poster who believes your shit (Who isn't also playing this kind of stupid game), because you spend all your time defending fascists. You are as "liberal" as Dave Ruben or Alan Dershowitz. I don't even believe you lack self-awareness like you pretend to, you are just purposefully trying to be infuriating. This, "I'm a centrist liberal, but here is some right wing shit I'm going to constantly pump out" is the most boring kind of trolling that goes on these boards. If you truly didn't want people to think you weren't some MAGA type pretending to be a liberal, you'd show, rather than constantly tell, your liberal-ness. Im not even remotely a centrist liberal, I am drastically farther left in my beliefs than Democrats. But please, tell me what right wing beliefs you are under the impression I hold so that I can correct you and you wont have to do this bullshit any more. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:975796653] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>CoyoteTheGreat posted... </cite><quote>There isn't one poster who believes your shit (Who isn't also playing this kind of stupid game), because you spend all your time defending fascists. You are as "liberal" as Dave Ruben or Alan Dershowitz. I don't even believe you lack self-awareness like you pretend to, you are just purposefully trying to be infuriating. This, "I'm a centrist liberal, but here is some right wing shit I'm going to constantly pump out" is the most boring kind of trolling that goes on these boards.If you truly didn't want people to think you weren't some MAGA type pretending to be a liberal, you'd show, rather than constantly tell, your liberal-ness.</quote>Im not even remotely a centrist liberal, I am drastically farther left in my beliefs than Democrats. But please, tell me what right wing beliefs you are under the impression I hold so that I can correct you and you wont have to do this bullshit any more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoyoteTheGreat 09/01/23 1:30:04 PM #186:	Tenlaar posted... Im not even remotely a centrist liberal, I am drastically farther left in my beliefs than Democrats. But please, tell me what right wing beliefs you are under the impression I hold so that I can correct you and you wont have to do this bullshit any more. This is an informed attribute. You can say you are to the left of Lenin. Who the fuck cares what you say, when demonstrably, what you choose to do on this board (And on 261) has been to stan for fascists, excuse their behavior, attack the left, ect. Who the fuck cares what you say about supporting Bernie when you were completely absent in any discussions on that on 261. The Bernie supporters know who was actually on their side, the posters there were pretty recognizable you aren't fooling anyone dude, and you aren't going to be able to rehabilitate your image, which was universally bad, on this board by just making up shit. Lulzbro has a better record of "Being a leftist" than you, because at least he pretended to be one for a month or so before swerving to the hard right. You don't get to skip the part of even pretending by making claims that aren't backed up by any post you've actually made historically. . --- Disobedience is the stamp of the hero. -Ragnar Redbeard Also, this is Kagata.. <cite>CoyoteTheGreat posted [p:975796717] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite><quote>Im not even remotely a centrist liberal, I am drastically farther left in my beliefs than Democrats. But please, tell me what right wing beliefs you are under the impression I hold so that I can correct you and you wont have to do this bullshit any more.</quote>This is an informed attribute. You can say you are to the left of Lenin. Who the fuck cares what you say, when demonstrably, what you choose to do on this board (And on 261) has been to stan for fascists, excuse their behavior, attack the left, ect. Who the fuck cares what you say about supporting Bernie when you were completely absent in any discussions on that on 261. The Bernie supporters know who was actually on their side, the posters there were pretty recognizable you aren't fooling anyone dude, and you aren't going to be able to rehabilitate your image, which was universally bad, on this board by just making up shit.Lulzbro has a better record of "Being a leftist" than you, because at least he pretended to be one for a month or so before swerving to the hard right. You don't get to skip the part of even pretending by making claims that aren't backed up by any post you've actually made historically. . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
the_pika 09/01/23 2:00:06 PM #187:	Torgo posted... You know what's going to be really hilarious? Watching these ardent defenders of the righteousness and infallibility of the justice system when it comes to acquitting people like Kyle Rittenhouse turn into conspiracy theorists and critics of an unjust "deep state" system if and when Trump and his criminal enterprise are found guilty of the various crimes he's been indicted for. damn right. suddenly what the court says wont match reality to them <cite>the_pika posted [p:975797391] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted... </cite><quote>You know what's going to be really hilarious?Watching these ardent defenders of the righteousness and infallibility of the justice system when it comes to acquitting people like Kyle Rittenhouse turn into conspiracy theorists and critics of an unjust "deep state" system if and when Trump and his criminal enterprise are found guilty of the various crimes he's been indicted for.</quote>damn right.suddenly what the court says wont match reality to them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 2:23:07 PM #188:	the_pika posted... damn right. suddenly what the court says wont match reality to them Why do you guys constantly give off the impression that you're more interested in "sticking it" to MAGAts than the actual law? The Rittenhouse trial isn't about Left Vs. Right. This upcoming civil trial isn't about Left vs. Right. Neither of these cases in any way, shape, or form prove your ideological belief correct. The upcoming Trump cases will be a far more prominent indictment of the GOP specifically if he is convicted, assuming the evidence is as rock solid as we all assume. Even still, that is not going to be a "blow" to fundamental conservative ideals, just a set-back in their political momentum. We don't "win" by convicting Trump, or Kyle Rittenhouse for that matter. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975797844] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>damn right.suddenly what the court says wont match reality to them</quote>Why do you guys constantly give off the impression that you're more interested in "sticking it" to MAGAts than the actual law?The Rittenhouse trial isn't about Left Vs. Right. This upcoming civil trial isn't about Left vs. Right. Neither of these cases in any way, shape, or form prove your ideological belief correct.The upcoming Trump cases will be a far more prominent indictment of the GOP specifically if he is convicted, assuming the evidence is as rock solid as we all assume. Even still, that is not going to be a "blow" to fundamental conservative ideals, just a set-back in their political momentum. We don't "win" by convicting Trump, or Kyle Rittenhouse for that matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alucard188 09/01/23 2:24:50 PM #189:	How did this spawn a second topic? He's not that noteworthy, people. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx <cite>Alucard188 posted [p:975797878] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>How did this spawn a second topic? He's not that noteworthy, people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BunkerBoy 09/01/23 2:25:13 PM #190:	Alucard188 posted... How did this spawn a second topic? He's not that noteworthy, people. I'm just here for the MAGA Naruto fanfiction <cite>BunkerBoy posted [p:975797888] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>How did this spawn a second topic? He's not that noteworthy, people.</quote>I'm just here for the MAGA Naruto fanfiction </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaikyoStyle 09/01/23 2:27:24 PM #191:	Its not their fault that the Venn diagram of upholding the law and sticking it to the fascist clown fucks tends to be a flat circle. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Brunt/Gaila 2024. Make Ferenginar Great Again! <cite>SaikyoStyle posted [p:975797925] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Its not their fault that the Venn diagram of upholding the law and sticking it to the fascist clown fucks tends to be a flat circle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 09/01/23 2:27:53 PM #192:	Torgo posted... You know what's going to be really hilarious? Watching these ardent defenders of the righteousness and infallibility of the justice system when it comes to acquitting people like Kyle Rittenhouse turn into conspiracy theorists and critics of an unjust "deep state" system if and when Trump and his criminal enterprise are found guilty of the various crimes he's been indicted for. You are projecting your own teamsports approach to this onto others. Please leave the poor strawman alone --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:975797935] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Torgo posted...</cite><quote>You know what's going to be really hilarious?Watching these ardent defenders of the righteousness and infallibility of the justice system when it comes to acquitting people like Kyle Rittenhouse turn into conspiracy theorists and critics of an unjust "deep state" system if and when Trump and his criminal enterprise are found guilty of the various crimes he's been indicted for.</quote>You are projecting your own teamsports approach to this onto others. Please leave the poor strawman alone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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the_pika 09/01/23 2:38:58 PM #194:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Why do you guys constantly give off the impression that you're more interested in "sticking it" to MAGAts than the actual law? The Rittenhouse trial isn't about Left Vs. Right. This upcoming civil trial isn't about Left vs. Right. Neither of these cases in any way, shape, or form prove your ideological belief correct. The upcoming Trump cases will be a far more prominent indictment of the GOP specifically if he is convicted, assuming the evidence is as rock solid as we all assume. Even still, that is not going to be a "blow" to fundamental conservative ideals, just a set-back in their political momentum. We don't "win" by convicting Trump, or Kyle Rittenhouse for that matter. because legally speaking, if you went around a feminist protest wearing a shirt saying make me a sandwich and brandishing a weapon at the feminists, and you had said I want to shoot some feminists and actually shot one youd be found guilty, as you should. the rules were bent to let the chubby shooter free <cite>the_pika posted [p:975798159] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Pogo_Marimo posted... </cite><quote>Why do you guys constantly give off the impression that you're more interested in "sticking it" to MAGAts than the actual law?The Rittenhouse trial isn't about Left Vs. Right. This upcoming civil trial isn't about Left vs. Right. Neither of these cases in any way, shape, or form prove your ideological belief correct.The upcoming Trump cases will be a far more prominent indictment of the GOP specifically if he is convicted, assuming the evidence is as rock solid as we all assume. Even still, that is not going to be a "blow" to fundamental conservative ideals, just a set-back in their political momentum. We don't "win" by convicting Trump, or Kyle Rittenhouse for that matter.</quote>because legally speaking, if you went around a feminist protest wearing a shirt saying make me a sandwich and brandishing a weapon at the feminists, and you had said I want to shoot some feminists and actually shot one youd be found guilty, as you should.the rules were bent to let the chubby shooter free </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 09/01/23 2:48:56 PM #195:	Alucard188 posted... How did this spawn a second topic? He's not that noteworthy, people. Though for some strange reason he gets interviews with Fox News and Tucker Carlson, he hangs out with Proud Boys, and totally not right wingers on message boards will spend days defending him where they suddenly care about the word of the law, despite him being some nobody <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:975798342] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Alucard188 posted... </cite><quote>How did this spawn a second topic? He's not that noteworthy, people.</quote>Though for some strange reason he gets interviews with Fox News and Tucker Carlson, he hangs out with Proud Boys, and totally not right wingers on message boards will spend days defending him where they suddenly care about the word of the law, despite him being some nobody</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 3:06:10 PM #196:	the_pika posted... because legally speaking, if you went around a feminist protest wearing a shirt saying make me a sandwich and brandishing a weapon at the feminists, and you had said I want to shoot some feminists and actually shot one youd be found guilty, as you should. the rules were bent to let the chubby shooter free You can't just simplify a court case to reductionist analogy and claim that's a valid argument. You are removing crucial context for the court case. That's willful ignorance and if you cared at all about intellectual vigor you would be ashamed. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975798670] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>the_pika posted... </cite><quote>because legally speaking, if you went around a feminist protest wearing a shirt saying make me a sandwich and brandishing a weapon at the feminists, and you had said I want to shoot some feminists and actually shot one youd be found guilty, as you should.the rules were bent to let the chubby shooter free</quote>You can't just simplify a court case to reductionist analogy and claim that's a valid argument. You are removing crucial context for the court case. That's willful ignorance and if you cared at all about intellectual vigor you would be ashamed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
royic 09/01/23 3:08:33 PM #197:	ya even as a lefty it's an open/shut case. you're allowed to open carry long guns there. you're allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself if being attacked after making an attempt to retreat. you're not allowed to attack people for no reason who are open carrying. --- binga <cite>royic posted [p:975798706] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>ya even as a lefty it's an open/shut case. you're allowed to open carry long guns there. you're allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself if being attacked after making an attempt to retreat. you're not allowed to attack people for no reason who are open carrying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 09/01/23 3:09:40 PM #198:	Rexdragon125 posted... Though for some strange reason he gets interviews with Fox News and Tucker Carlson, he hangs out with Proud Boys, and totally not right wingers on message boards will spend days defending him where they suddenly care about the word of the law, despite him being some nobody It's not about protecting Rittenhouse, it's about protecting the Law itself from people who would gladly use it to punish people they don't like. If you could cast aside the law because the accused is a white supremacist, then you don't care about the law. You care about punishing people. That is nearly as dangerous a mindset as any bigotry. If you cannot grasp why someone would not want Rittenhouse to be punished because he meets the requirements specifically codified to recieve special legal protection, then I don't know what to tell you. Your reality is a fucking scary one. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:975798737] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>Rexdragon125 posted... </cite><quote>Though for some strange reason he gets interviews with Fox News and Tucker Carlson, he hangs out with Proud Boys, and totally not right wingers on message boards will spend days defending him where they suddenly care about the word of the law, despite him being some nobody</quote>It's not about protecting Rittenhouse, it's about protecting the Law itself from people who would gladly use it to punish people they don't like. If you could cast aside the law because the accused is a white supremacist, then you don't care about the law. You care about punishing people. That is nearly as dangerous a mindset as any bigotry. If you cannot grasp why someone would not want Rittenhouse to be punished because he meets the requirements specifically codified to recieve special legal protection, then I don't know what to tell you. Your reality is a fucking scary one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/01/23 3:17:25 PM #200:	One thing I've learned from all this is that people do not know what "brandishing" means and thinks it just means open carry. --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:975798892] in Kyle Ritte... [t:80552464]...</cite> <quote>One thing I've learned from all this is that people do not know what "brandishing" means and thinks it just means open carry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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