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name_unknown
08/28/23 12:43:52 PM
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/27/no-labels-presidential-ticket-april-00113126

Our plan is to only run if we think we have a chance to win realistically,

Former Sen. Joe Lieberman said Sunday the No Labels group intends to select a presidential ticket in April in Dallas. Speaking on Fox News Sunday, Lieberman told host Shannon Bream: We already have scheduled a bipartisan convention. Think about it. We havent seen that ever in recent history. A bipartisan nominating convention for Dallas, Texas, in April of next year.

Lieberman is the founding chair of No Labels. He said the centrist groups top priority is qualifying for the ballot in every state. Right now, were focused first on whats most important: On getting on the ballot with a third line in all 50 states that we will then offer and give to a bipartisan unity ticket, he told Bream.

Lieberman, who was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 as well as a longtime senator from Connecticut, said polling indicates the country is open to a possible presidential candidate who is neither President Joe Biden or former President Donald Trump. Our plan is to only run if we think we have a chance to win realistically, he said. And look, we just finished a poll of 10,000 voters in the eight battleground states. And we give them a choice of Trump, Biden and a moderate independent third choice, and 63 percent say that theyre open to a moderate Independent third choice.

Lieberman did not say how the No Labels movement would select a presidential ticket or who might be considered, but said: We think theres a real opportunity for a third choice. Democrats have characterized No Labels as an effort that could lead to a return to the White House by Trump. Let me be clear: No Labels is trying to use a false message of unity to sow division, Rep. Annie Kuster (D-N.H.) said last month. Their plan to run a third-party ticket in 2024 will pave the path for the most extreme, far-right candidate to win the White House namely, former President Trump.
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Starks
08/28/23 12:44:22 PM
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Run on issues, don't run candidates.

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McMarbles
08/28/23 12:51:00 PM
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Starks posted...
Run on issues, don't run candidates.
Also don't run at all.

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Questionmarktarius
08/28/23 12:53:11 PM
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Starks posted...
Run on issues, don't run candidates.
What would that even be for a "centerist" party?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
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Tyranthraxus
08/28/23 12:54:37 PM
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More like no brains party

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Torgo
08/28/23 12:54:48 PM
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No labels may as well be called: "We're all about the both sides are the same mantra, and we're actually just here to support the interests of the wealthy donor class and would be republicans, but without the ugly populism they need to keep their old, racist, evangelical base happy."

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Shadow_Don
08/28/23 12:55:48 PM
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"We need to compromise with nazis for the sake of tolerance" just isn't a winning platform.

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Unknown5uspect
08/28/23 12:56:19 PM
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Lieberman is the asshole that screwed us on a single payer option. Fuck him and this party.

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ai123
08/28/23 12:58:19 PM
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Yeah, what is needed is a party that falls between a moderate corporate capitalist party and a deranged 'anti-woke' Christian Nationalist crusade.

That's precisely the space that needs occupying.

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name_unknown
08/28/23 1:00:45 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Lieberman is the asshole that screwed us on a single payer option. Fuck him and this party.
As I didn't need more reason to dislike No Labels. Lieberman being behind it is more reason to tell them to GFTO.
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Justin2Krelian
08/28/23 1:07:42 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
What would that even be for a "centerist" party?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ

The idea of a Centrist party could work, but not at this time or this system


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Hornswoggled
08/28/23 1:38:13 PM
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These here are politicians without labels!

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UnholyMudcrab
08/28/23 1:43:00 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Speaking on Fox News Sunday,
This is all you need to know about them.

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Dancedreamer
08/28/23 1:46:16 PM
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"No Labels" is, ironically, a label.

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Alteres
08/28/23 1:59:45 PM
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Sounds like a winner to me.

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bfslick50
08/28/23 2:03:35 PM
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Biden is a moderate. Anyone whining that we need a moderate option is too wrapped up in Fox News propaganda to ever vote anyone other than the Republican.

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myusernameislame
08/28/23 2:06:42 PM
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This is what happens when one side has almost unilateral control over the Overton window for decades.
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hereforemnant
08/28/23 2:12:52 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
Biden is a moderate. Anyone whining that we need a moderate option is too wrapped up in Fox News propaganda to ever vote anyone other than the Republican.


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Accolon
08/28/23 2:14:10 PM
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No Labels is run by a bunch of billionaires who's only goal is to maintain power, money and the status quo.


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s0nicfan
08/28/23 2:18:26 PM
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We eventually have to stop mocking every attempt at a third party run if we're actually serious about breaking the 2 party stranglehold in the US. Unless the expectation from people who constantly say we need to break the 2 party system is that it will occur naturally when the entire government is overthrown or something.

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emblem-man
08/28/23 2:20:50 PM
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Have they talked about any actual policy yet?

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X8Azazel8X
08/28/23 2:24:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
We eventually have to stop mocking every attempt at a third party run if we're actually serious about breaking the 2 party stranglehold in the US. Unless the expectation from people who constantly say we need to break the 2 party system is that it will occur naturally when the entire government is overthrown or something.

And that in no way should ever stop happening anytime before drump is still running for president. Even defending the idea of it is laying the ground work for the end of democracy and any attempt to have any party system ever again let alone a third partty in the future.

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Inohira
08/28/23 2:26:03 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Joe Lieberman

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Torgo
08/28/23 2:26:21 PM
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ai123 posted...
Yeah, what is needed is a party that falls between a moderate corporate capitalist party and a deranged 'anti-woke' Christian Nationalist crusade.

That's precisely the space that needs occupying.

pretty accurate assessment

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Shadow_Don
08/28/23 2:33:05 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
We eventually have to stop mocking every attempt at a third party run

Any attempt to run a third party campaign with trump on the ballot is a fucking mockery. There is no other priority that outweighs the significance of stopping the man who is wholly committed to ending democracy and who is willing to use violence for his gains.


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bfslick50
08/28/23 2:36:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
We eventually have to stop mocking every attempt at a third party run if we're actually serious about breaking the 2 party stranglehold in the US. Unless the expectation from people who constantly say we need to break the 2 party system is that it will occur naturally when the entire government is overthrown or something.

Rank choice voting and removing the clause that can send an election to the House are both needed before a third party will work for the presidency. The 1824 election established very definitively that a large number of viable candidates splits the vote too much and gets the whole vote thrown out so the House can use corrupt back room deals to pick the president. Why would you want to repeat that?

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reincarnator07
08/28/23 2:42:09 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
We eventually have to stop mocking every attempt at a third party run if we're actually serious about breaking the 2 party stranglehold in the US. Unless the expectation from people who constantly say we need to break the 2 party system is that it will occur naturally when the entire government is overthrown or something.
That is the nature of FPTP voting. The only ways around it would be to take over an existing party and use that power to change the rules, or violent revolution. The Electoral College makes things particularly bad on this front, but ultimately the problem is directly caused by the voting system.

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Heineken14
08/28/23 2:44:43 PM
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name_unknown posted...

Our plan is to only run if we think we have a chance to win realistically,


So you're not going to run a presidential candidate then? Phew, glad that was cleared up fast!

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Heineken14
08/28/23 2:49:29 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
We eventually have to stop mocking every attempt at a third party run if we're actually serious about breaking the 2 party stranglehold in the US. Unless the expectation from people who constantly say we need to break the 2 party system is that it will occur naturally when the entire government is overthrown or something.


Then those attempts need to not be complete fucking jokes. You don't be automatic credibility status just because you are different.

Second, and going purely anecdotally, but the vast majority of the people I've seen who parrot the "we need to break up the 2 party system!" bullshit are right wingers who are merely trying to find more ways for republicans to gain/control power. The rest just don't know what the fuck they're talking about and it's literally as simple as going "hurrr we got 3 parties now!"

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Roachmeat
08/28/23 3:00:47 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Our plan is to only run if we think we have a chance to win realistically,

Heineken14 posted...
So you're not going to run a presidential candidate then? Phew, glad that was cleared up fast!

If only that was true. They also "win" if Biden doesn't get all the votes required because their sacrificial candiate took some of them.
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DrizztLink
08/28/23 3:15:27 PM
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name_unknown posted...
Former Sen. Joe Lieberman
Go fuck yourself, Former Senator Joe Lieberman.

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mario2000
08/28/23 3:44:57 PM
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Joe Lieberman? The dude who has fainting spells over video games? That's the guy we wanna vote for?

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andel
08/28/23 3:50:48 PM
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lieberman is the joe manchin of the mid 00s

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name_unknown
08/28/23 3:51:00 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Joe Lieberman? The dude who has fainting spells over video games? That's the guy we wanna vote for?
No Joe gets pick the nominee for his 'enlightened centrist' party.
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bfslick50
08/28/23 4:25:59 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Go fuck yourself, Former Senator Joe Lieberman.

This. Lieberman is not a moderate, he's a conservative Democrat from a time when that was more common. In 2006 when Lieberman ran as an Independent after losing the primary, Bush endorsed Lieberman and not the Republican nominee. In 2008 Lieberman endorsed McCain. He's the reason the public option got killed. In 2020 he endorsed Susan Collins' reelection campaign. After the 2020 election he said Trump deserved his day in court. He at least called on Trump to concede after the electoral college confirmed Biden's win in December, but JFC if we're defining that as the bar between moderate and conservative.

I may have grown up in Connecticut

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legendary_zell
08/28/23 4:44:31 PM
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We don't need a third party that's what no labels would be. Just because you're a third option doesn't mean you're a valid option. An explicitly fascist party wouldn't be cool just because they're "not caught up in the two party system maaan." What we need is actual left parties, and for the current Republican party to be disbanded.

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andel
08/28/23 5:02:46 PM
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yeah, lieberman being from connecticut makes his manchin-esque politics even more dumb and indefensible.

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