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Here's what happens when climate protesters try to more directly target the biggest polluters in society
https://twitter.com/MichelleLhooq/status/1695953808768332038

hockeybub89 posted...

So you disagree that the general argument against inconvenient protests is that it will hurt innocent people and turn them against a cause?

But they clearly didn't give a shit about the cause if it can turn them away.

I disagree that people in this thread are making that argument. Turning people against your group and turning people against the cause are not the same thing. Saying these methods arent going to increase peoples support of the cause is not saying that people will do a 180 and suddenly support environmental destruction.

Intro2Logic posted...

Here's what happens when climate protesters try to more directly target the biggest polluters in society
https://twitter.com/MichelleLhooq/status/1695953808768332038

They already take risks by sitting and blocking the road, atleast this is actually taking the fight to the people responsible.

Intro2Logic posted...

Here's what happens when climate protesters try to more directly target the biggest polluters in society

Protests are always dangerous. Doesn't matter who or what you're protesting. Even if cops don't get involved there's always the chance you'll run into a shit heel like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Yeah the people who are quick to say "Protests won't work! You're jsut pushing people away!" Are always the people who don't give a shit in the first place

They're demonstrating that it does work.

Can't blame these people, protest at goverment buildings, and their personal homes if you're trying to send a message.

No sympathy for the protesters. They are threatening the livelihoods of workers who might actually lose their jobs because of this shit.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah the people who are quick to say "Protests won't work! You're jsut pushing people away!" Are always the people who don't give a shit in the first place

They're demonstrating that it does work.

Yeah, work at creating enemies and causing people to oppose whatever it is they're "protesting" for.

chaos_knight posted...

No sympathy for the protesters. They are threatening the livelihoods of workers who might actually lose their jobs because of this shit.

Would you say this to black people in the 1960s?

A lot these people are fine with random stores being destroyed because a cop killed someone, why anyone thinks they can be convinced to direct their righteous anger elsewhere is beyond me. Disagreement with the methods is disagreement with the civil rights movement.

voldothegr8 posted...

Yeah, work at creating enemies and causing people to oppose whatever it is they're "protesting" for.

They wouldn't create enemies if the people agreed with the cause

Think of something you agree with. Would you stop agreeing with it if you got stuck in traffic because some likeminded individuals were protesting in the streets?

If only people got this passionate and angry about climate change and fossil fuel companies destroying the earth

But no

voldothegr8 posted...

Yeah, work at creating enemies and causing people to oppose whatever it is they're "protesting" for.

You're selling so hard it's clear what you actually think

Yeah the civil rights movement sure pushed people away from supporting equal rights

The correct course of action is to be quiet and let the wealthy elite rule in peace.

Such a load of horseshit. If you honestly didn't think protesting worked, you would not be running around claiming it didn't. You'd be calling for more of it.

EmbraceOfDeath posted...

If you're not pissing anyone off, then your protesting is ineffective.

Protesting rarely work with "pissing people off". Protests usually work when they are able to get a bunch of people together, even if it does piss other people off.

That's why they block the streets, because "pissing people off" is the easiest way to get attention when you have only a dozen people available.

The goal should be to get more people on the street, instead they just do whatever they can with the least amount of people, and that's just pissing off others.

That's not how it's supposed to work, and that's also the reason why it can't lead to a political solution.

Here, our demostrants demant a speedlimit of 100km/h (62mph) for all highways, for months already.

As soon as this would become law, multiple groups would just do the same, because suddenly everyone knows what kind of political power you have, just because you sit down on a street with 5 friends.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Protests are always dangerous. Doesn't matter who or what you're protesting. Even if cops don't get involved there's always the chance you'll run into a shit heel like Kyle Rittenhouse.

Kyle Rittenhouse who was in a kill or be killed situation, the same as the men he killed.

The problem I see with these protests, particularly with climate change, is that most anybody in this country has been informed for years upon years of this issue. Those who are still skeptical, but still within the realm of reaching, are often resistant in large part because activists seem irrational and incapable of reasoning with. Instead of belligerent tactics, I'd rather climate deniers be hit with simplified scientific reasoning as to how their current position of doing nothing about climate change threatens to inflict enormous suffering on their children/grandchildren. Show people why they should be personally invested rather than create a reason for additional hostility toward people spreading awareness of climate change. Have an FAQ for people who like to bring up stuff like "what about other countries?" I'm sure it's been done before, probably with limited effectiveness, but at least it wasn't doing damage to the cause.

Policy should be decided by who can bully society the most

Climate activists want to shut down major highways? Ok lets ban fossil fuels

Net Neutrality activists take down social services web pages? Awesome give'm what they want.

Pro lifers blow up a bridge? Federal ban on abortion, effective immediately.

No one ever accomplished anything by voting!

g980 posted...

Policy should be decided by who can bully society the most

Climate activists want to shut down major highways? Ok lets ban fossil fuels

Net Neutrality activists take down social services web pages? Awesome give'm what they want.

Pro lifers blow up a bridge? Federal ban on abortion, effective immediately.

No one ever accomplished anything by voting!

Replace your drivel with "Civil rights", then re-read your post.

ooger posted...

Replace your drivel with "Civil rights", then re-read your post.

What if you took a moment to consider that not every use of force will be for a cause you agree with?

There's a reason we have elections and a legislative process.

ClayGuida posted...

Who votes for those people?

The people who can afford a day off on voting day and don't have to queue for six hours at a gerrymandered polling station serving 5000 people.

g980 posted...

What if you took a moment to consider that not every use of force will be for a cause you agree with?

There's a reason we have elections and a legislative process.

How do you think some groups of people got the ability to vote?

Heineken14 posted...

How do you think some groups of people got the ability to vote?

By elected officials passing laws to that effect

Also how fucking stupid are you to completely miss my point

Something good happening via a bad process doesnt mean its not a shit process thats extremely vulnerable to bad actors

g980 posted...

What if you took a moment to consider that not every use of force will be for a cause you agree with?

There's a reason we have elections and a legislative process.

Sorry dude, your take is bad.

LoZguy709 posted...

nstead of belligerent tactics, I'd rather climate deniers be hit with simplified scientific reasoning as to how their current position of doing nothing about climate change threatens to inflict enormous suffering on their children/grandchildren. Show people why they should be personally invested rather than create a reason for additional hostility toward people spreading awareness of climate change. Have an FAQ for people who like to bring up stuff like "what about other countries?" I'm sure it's been done before, probably with limited effectiveness, but at least it wasn't doing damage to the cause.

Where have you been the last 40-60 years where it has been explained simply to at least 2 or 3 generations of Saturday morning cartoon viewers, at a Saturday morning cartoon level?

Hell, Bill Nye, in the simplest of all videos, explained it to the same kids after they became adults. And the same shitwits who complain about cars idling in traffic while trying to get to their job adamantly refuse to listen to any simple science that's been presented.

Go take your argument about, "B-b-b-b-b-ut it's hurting the cause," and piss off. You're not here to care about the cause.

DnDer posted...

Where have you been the last 40-60 years where it has been explained simply to at least 2 or 3 generations of Saturday morning cartoon viewers, at a Saturday morning cartoon level?

Hell, Bill Nye, in the simplest of all videos, explained it to the same kids after they became adults. And the same shitwits who complain about cars idling in traffic while trying to get to their job adamantly refuse to listen to any simple science that's been presented.

Go take your argument about, "B-b-b-b-b-ut it's hurting the cause," and piss off. You're not here to care about the cause.

Yeah, you'd be the type of person I'm talking about that drives away potential voters by being straight up obnoxious. We're actually in agreement on this issue, which just makes me feel embarrassed to be on the same side as the likes of you. Climate activists don't need to be satirized like religious cult radicals, and these demonstrations, however justified by the magnitude of the issue, just aren't productive in getting positive attention from the typical American, who is finally just coming around to climate change being a consistent thought through their daily thinking.

LoZguy709 posted...

however justified by the magnitude of the issue, just aren't productive in getting positive attention from the typical American

Your request for simplified scientific reasoning, up to and including having it in schools' basic science curriculum across the country at multiple levels seems to have done fuck all, because we're still on the road to catastrophe.

Since these guys aren't helping, and your solution failed... what is it exactly you recommend, other than going, "Look what you made me do! I've been inconvenienced, and now I shall refuse to vote for something in my interest because I had a longer than normal commute! Fuck the earth!" because that's sure no solution, either.

DnDer posted...

Your request for simplified scientific reasoning, up to and including having it in schools' basic science curriculum across the country at multiple levels seems to have done fuck all, because we're still on the road to catastrophe.

Since these guys aren't helping, and your solution failed... what is it exactly you recommend, other than going, "Look what you made me do! I've been inconvenienced, and now I shall refuse to vote for something in my interest because I had a longer than normal commute! Fuck the earth!" because that's sure no solution, either.

A lot of people think the environment is getting better because there's no longer a massive hole in the ozone layer. They apparently haven't given the issue enough honest consideration to lean that it's heat being trapped within the atmosphere, not leaking through it, that's escalating this issue out of proportion. The moderate voter needs a dose of positivity to go along with the harsh reality, and antagonism is not a good first step at achieving that end.

And my solution wouldn't be the same old status quo. More people need to be activists in educated, approachable ways. There's ways to have an inescapable presence within society without sitting in the middle of the highway. That may have served a purpose when it was a minority's rights on the line, but this is an issue that affects literally everyone except those that are going to die soon anyways, so the confrontational approach isn't the most effective solution. If there's an entity to lash out at, direct the fight toward Republican misinformation.